S-Class (W222/C217/A217) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W222 Facelift) 2017-2020


The Mercedes-Benz W222 is the sixth generation of the Mercedes Benz S-Class. Body styles: W222 (standard), V222 (long), X222 (limousine, Mercedes-Maybach), VV222 (pullman), C127 (coupé), A217 (convertible). Predecessor: S-Class (W221). Successor: S-Class (W223). Production: 2013–2020.
What a interior. :eusa_clap
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W222 do not need FL, I miss 2 spoke steering wheel.
They finaly introduce new engines, especially diesel.
63 AMG got 4,0 V8, 3,5 sec to 100kmh.
I like "stardust" tail lights.
Need to see in real for final impression.
Grill is ok, headligths are nice, front bumper from E class with AMG pack is weird solution.
Pics aren't best indicator for real impression, video shows it better.
It does look fresher, but to make real comparison with pre FL version, need to see it in real first.
 
It will also turn people off because they can get a Lexus LS for the same or a little more with far more power. It goes both ways.

M

Will it really? The general US customer in this echelon, not enthusiasts like us here, but people with means and their desire to buy something in this class will they really care about the power difference?

Let's take the new LS and 740i as examples. The LS does a manufacture's claim of 0-60 mph* in 4.5s. The G11 740i has seen anywhere between 4.8 to 5.2 seconds. So for giggles, let's conservatively say the upcoming V6 in the S450 will yield about 5.0s. Not bad, but not as great the LS. So if the S450 is offered at about $82,000 and assuming the LS starts around there (+/- $2000), I think 3 out of every 5 customers would forego losing 0.5s so they could get their asses in an S. And the way I see the those 2 other customers doing, one would go and get an LS because of the ~60 hp deficit. And the other customer would convince themselves in spending an extra $15,000 or so so they can get that stellar 0-60 time they seem to value so much by getting into "bare-bones" S560.

Granted, customers are more aware than they were 10 years because they have available a dearth of info online so there'd be some who'd want the latest engine tech the automaker has to offer. But if a big chunk of the buying public wants a big shiny car with that big shiny badge and it's available at cheaper price point, they are going to get it. Or at the very least, it may convince them to get the honking V8. And I don't think the 6cyl will eat into the S560's sales too much, as the S probably has built-in audience who only see fit to get at least a V8 in their S.

*Frankly, I'd be more than happy with the new inline-6 in the S. To the general public, they refer to the 0-60 times as the reference point in determining a car's performance. But how many really dragstrip their cars, especially these kind of cars? At the end of the day, these cars are comfy long distance cruisers. I no longer see the appeal in getting an AMG in an S-class. Heck, I no longer see the point in getting a hi-po version in an E or 5er. As long as the car has good passing power (from 20-70 mph), handles well enough where I need to be evasive to avoid an accident or I don't get car-sick, is comfortable, and has adequate 0-60 times (low 5 seconds), I'd be happy.

@Merc1, you mentioned that the lack of power is what will turn people off from the S450 versus an LS, thus my above explanation. But what may be the deciding factor in getting an LS over an S450 will probably not be the lack of power but the lack of content. I bet, once it's released, you could get a very well equipped LS (i.e. all the significant options except the Exec Rear package) and the price would hover around $93-95K. While a similarly equipped S450 would surpass the $100K mark. That's probably what would deter a customer more than anything.
 
Will it really? The general US customer in this echelon, not enthusiasts like us here, but people with means and their desire to buy something in this class will they really care about the power difference?

Let's take the new LS and 740 as examples. It does a manufacture's claim of 0-60 mph* in 4.5s. The G11 740i has seen anywhere between 4.8 to 5.2 seconds. So for giggles, let's conservatively say the upcoming V6 in the S450 will yield about 5.0s. Not bad, but not as great the LS. So if the S450 is offered at about $82,000 and assuming the LS starts around there (+/- $2000), I think 3 out of every 5 customers would forego losing 0.5s so they could get their asses in an S. And the way I see the those 2 other customers doing, one would go and get an LS because of the ~60 hp deficit. And the other customer would convince themselves in spending an extra $15,000 or so so they can get that stellar 0-60 time they seem to value so much by getting into "bare-bones" S560.

Granted, customers are more aware than they were 10 years because they have available a dearth of info online so there'd be some who'd want the latest engine tech the automaker has to offer. But if a big chunk of the buying public wants a big shiny car with that big shiny badge and it's available at cheaper price point, they are going to get it. Or at the very least, it may convince them to get the honking V8. And I don't think the 6cyl will eat into the S560's sales too much, as the S probably has built-in audience who only see fit to get at least a V8 in their S.

*Frankly, I'd be more than happy with the new inline-6 in the S. To the general public, they refer to the 0-60 times as the reference point in determining a car's performance. But how many really dragstrip their cars, especially these kind of cars? At the end of the day, these cars are comfy long distance cruisers. I no longer see the appeal in getting an AMG in an S-class. Heck, I no longer see the point in getting a hi-po version in an E or 5er. As long as the car has good passing power (from 20-70 mph), handles well enough where I need to be evasive to avoid an accident or I don't get car-sick, is comfortable, and has adequate 0-60 times (low 5 seconds), I'd be happy.

@Merc1, you mentioned that the lack of power is what will turn people off from the S450 versus an LS, thus my above explanation. But what may be the deciding factor in getting an LS over an S450 will probably not be the lack of power but the lack of content. I bet, once it's released, you could get a very well equipped LS (i.e. all the significant options except the Exec Rear package) and the price would hover around $93-95K. While a similarly equipped S450 would surpass the $100K mark. That's probaly what would deter a customer more than anything.


Yeah of course it will, price and the hp. There is no one that can predict every scenario with the consumer. That is why I say some, maybe a few, not all buyers in this class. I just don't think it is a smart idea to introduce a V6 S-Class at this point. It has been needed since the W220 and isn't needed now IMO.

M
 
The FL S-CLass is improved in all aspects. Can not wait to order one.! Anyone have any idea on US availability???
 
So after taking it all in, I'm loving what they did to the look of the car, inside and out. Wonderful and all that. However the S450 is a let down. It should be with the new I6 or nothing at all. Just wait for the I6 and then introduce it. The S65 should have at least 650hp and should have been tied to 4Matic with 9G for superior performance to the S63. That said, I LOVE the S560 tag and the fact that the newer 4L V8 is in the S550 and the S63. Can't wait to see the Coupe and Convertible updates.

M
 
I can now confidently say that S65 interior in the pictures you've shown look like it's better sorted, better crafted and of better quality than the interior of the Rolls-Royce Ghost. As bold as this statement may be, I have no doubt that thisvcar has a better interior

I think that can only be said after having spent a considerable amount of time inside both cars. These are press pics, let's not forget about that.
 
The only thing I do not like about the facelift is the headlight boxy shape which make the S Class lost the majestic look of the front, the rest is a big improvement especially the rear. MB should have keep the 2 spoke steering wheel with some design improvement that will be perfect.
 

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