S-Class W222 [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W222 Facelift) 2017-2020

[hannaz]

Celebrating 10 years of one of the best car launches ever.. world premiere of arguably the best Mercedes-Benz S-Class ever, the W222-Series at Hamburg.

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[Rolf]

Wow cant believe its 10 years gone by since the launch of the W222, it felt like yesterday and this model S-class still looks so modern.

 

[Yaz]

Still gorgeous in my eyes. A '17 S600 for me.

New video of that auction bought S550

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[J.E]

Jason Statham's personal S65 AMG

 

[hannaz]

Jason Statham's personal S65 AMG

Wah.. the ‘transporter’ drives a S-Class in real life.. great choice.

Other day I saw Tom Criuse, the ‘BMW guy On screen’ in a new S-Class

 

[Pagani]

Drove a 2019 S 63 4matic+, a fully loaded Diamond White with Night Package and black interior. Burmeister sound system, the works. They were asking $72,000 for a 58,000 mile vehicle, which I found on the high side (both miles and price). Drove beautifully, far better than the 223 SA 580 I drove a few weeks back. I frankly found the interior much more pleasant too.

Anyone here have experience buying used the facelifted 222 S 63? Is it the “nightmare” people say it is servicing and keeping it fresh?

 

[kiki voinea]

Drove a 2019 S 63 4matic+, a fully loaded Diamond White with Night Package and black interior. Burmeister sound system, the works. They were asking $72,000 for a 58,000 mile vehicle, which I found on the high side (both miles and price). Drove beautifully, far better than the 223 SA 580 I drove a few weeks back. I frankly found the interior much more pleasant too.

Anyone here have experience buying used the facelifted 222 S 63? Is it the “nightmare” people say it is servicing and keeping it fresh?

The M177 engine can be a hit or miss. I've heard many good things about it , but also I have friends that have issue with this engine ( not on S63 )

As for the facelifted W222 , honestly , I find it the most beautifull S class right now. Aggressive , but elegant. Modern , yet timeless.

It will age ok , just like the S coupe.

It you can get a service package for it , it would be great ! Ask at a workshop for a quote.

Usually , if they would give it to you (at a fair price) , it means the car did not had major issues...

Good luck

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

The M177 engine can be a hit or miss. I've heard many good things about it , but also I have friends that have issue with this engine ( not on S63 )

As for the facelifted W222 , honestly , I find it the most beautifull S class right now. Aggressive , but elegant. Modern , yet timeless.

It will age ok , just like the S coupe.

It you can get a service package for it , it would be great ! Ask at a workshop for a quote.

Usually , if they would give it to you (at a fair price) , it means the car did not had major issues...

Good luck

Tell us more about the M177 issues if you don't mind? Has MB done anything to adress it?

 

[Serpens]

Tell us more about the M177 issues if you don't mind? Has MB done anything to adress it?

I've had 3 of them at this point. Most of the issues with M177 engines were related to coil packs and injectors, but that's largely limited to the first few model years the engine was offered. Those problems also surfaced early into ownership.

Some versions of the M177 like the one in the E63 and G63 will clog their oil separators and cause the rear main seal to leak. This is quite expensive to remedy out of warranty and when it's in warranty, many dealers only replace the rear main seal which will not solve the real problem. There's revised oil separators out now.

It's an altogether much better engine than the M278/M157 with their bore scoring problems. BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche really messed up with their choice of cylinder coatings in various engines over the last 10-15 years.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I've had 3 of them at this point. Most of the issues with M177 engines were related to coil packs and injectors, but that's largely limited to the first few model years the engine was offered. Those problems also surfaced early into ownership.

Some versions of the M177 like the one in the E63 and G63 will clog their oil separators and cause the rear main seal to leak. This is quite expensive to remedy out of warranty and when it's in warranty, many dealers only replace the rear main seal which will not solve the real problem. There's revised oil separators out now.

It's an altogether much better engine than the M278/M157 with their bore scoring problems. BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche really messed up with their choice of cylinder coatings in various engines over the last 10-15 years.

Thank you. It's unacceptable IMO if there are known problems for them to not be fully covered under warranty.

How would you rate it to the comparable BMW and Porsche units?

 

[Serpens]

Thank you. It's unacceptable IMO if there are known problems for them to not be fully covered under warranty.

How would you rate it to the comparable BMW and Porsche units?

From a reliability standpoint, nowadays I think it’s the most solid V8 out of the German trio. They’re all monsters from a power standpoint.

Porsche contributed to the evolution of the Audi 4.0TT V8 that’s placed in many of its cars today. It is a stout engine that responds well to mods and can put out serious power (like all of these hot vee V8s). It eats oil though and is also prone to leaks.

BMW finally moved to a new hot vee motor in 2022, the S68. It’s too early to tell if this will be the new benchmark, but it’s definitely powerful and efficient. The latest version of the preceding S63 motor was OK from a reliability standpoint, while the reliability of earlier versions was abysmal (including bore scoring issues). That’s to say nothing of the storied N63 that had a laundry list of issues.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

From a reliability standpoint, nowadays I think it’s the most solid V8 out of the German trio. They’re all monsters from a power standpoint.

Porsche contributed to the evolution of the Audi 4.0TT V8 that’s placed in many of its cars today. It is a stout engine that responds well to mods and can put out serious power (like all of these hot vee V8s). It eats oil though and is also prone to leaks.

BMW finally moved to a new hot vee motor in 2022, the S68. It’s too early to tell if this will be the new benchmark, but it’s definitely powerful and efficient. The latest version of the preceding S63 motor was OK from a reliability standpoint, while the reliability of earlier versions was abysmal (including bore scoring issues). That’s to say nothing of the storied N63 that had a laundry list of issues.

What unit would our 2020 M850i GC have had?

 

[kiki voinea]

Tell us more about the M177 issues if you don't mind? Has MB done anything to adress it?

All of what what Serpens wrote + some weird gas smell inside the car that a friend had ,and still has , in his GT 4door. That car has visited the workshop more than I visited the candy store...

It's an altogether much better engine than the M278/M157 with their bore scoring problems. BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche really messed up with their choice of cylinder coatings in various engines over the last 10-15 years.

M278....What a piece of crap.

Timing belt replaced ar around 130.000km . And the current owner , had his engine replaced...Don't know exactly why , I was ashamed to ask him , I just found the listing online with him selling the car broken. Engine , knocking sounds. And we know what that means...

Timing belt is a very known issue for M278

 

[Serpens]

What unit would our 2020 M850i GC have had?

N63TU3. It's the non-M version of the S63, which similarly it's last iteration (4th revision) was fine from reliability standpoint. Long term they're still a bit leaky, so you'll be dealing with coolant and oil issues at some point. Plus they can have finicky fuel injectors. Nothing catastrophic seems to be appearing with them which is good.

All of what what Serpens wrote + some weird gas smell inside the car that a friend had ,and still has , in his GT 4door. That car has visited the workshop more than I visited the candy store...


M278....What a piece of crap.

Timing belt replaced ar around 130.000km . And the current owner , had his engine replaced...Don't know exactly why , I was ashamed to ask him , I just found the listing online with him selling the car broken. Engine , knocking sounds. And we know what that means...

Timing belt is a very known issue for M278

A family member had their M278 leak oil onto the engine harness which was an incredibly pricey repair. Thank goodness for an extended warranty in that case. That engine is just flat out on my AVOID list now that examples are getting old.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

N63TU3. It's the non-M version of the S63, which similarly it's last iteration (4th revision) was fine from reliability standpoint. Long term they're still a bit leaky, so you'll be dealing with coolant and oil issues at some point. Plus they can have finicky fuel injectors. Nothing catastrophic seems to be appearing with them which is good.



A family member had their M278 leak oil onto the engine harness which was an incredibly pricey repair. Thank goodness for an extended warranty in that case. That engine is just flat out on my AVOID list now that examples are getting old.

Thank you guys. Very informative and interesting.

We did have a coolant issue with the M850i and it was very low mileage still.