EQS [Official] Mercedes-Benz EQS

[klier]

Mercedes Stops Testing EQS with 1.0-Liter Engine: Report

I wasn't even aware they were actually testing this madness.

Also interesting to read the MB is seemingly developing its hybrid powertrains with f'ing GEELY. Uhmmm you can't make this shit up even if you tried. They seem completely lost with nothing on the horizon either.

 

[Merc1]

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[Akrapovicowns]

Cole Kessel on Instagram: "Benzploration. Created with Midjourney and Photoshop’s generative AI fill."

1,278 likes, 13 comments - colekessel_ on February 21, 2024: "Benzploration. Created with Midjourney and Photoshop’s generative AI fill.".

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A few interesting ideias of what the production could’ve been. I like the 1st and 2nd renderings. Isn’t something out of this world..it just needed a bit more flair

 

[Design FIRST]

A few interesting ideias of what the production could’ve been. I like the 1st and 2nd renderings. Isn’t something out of this world..it just needed a bit more flair

My compliments to colekessel. His images 3 and 5 are a very accurate reflection of what I would have so hoped for regarding the EQS. Alas, this wasn't meant to be and M-B served beans instead of caviar. That is indeed a pity.

 

[AndreB]

My compliments to colekessel. His images 3 and 5 are a very accurate reflection of what I would have so hoped for regarding the EQS. Alas, this wasn't meant to be and M-B served beans instead of caviar. That is indeed a pity.

The ugly banana shape of EQS and EQE didn't bring a big gain in efficiency so why did Mercedes spent millions on dedicated EV platform when the result can match but not beat the efficiency of BMW’s shared platform?

 

[lukeswiss]

The ugly banana shape of EQS and EQE didn't bring a big gain in efficiency so why did Mercedes spent millions on dedicated EV platform when the result can match but not beat the efficiency of BMW’s shared platform?

I believe it was because Mercedes-Benz, as inventor of the automobile felt they had to be the ones to reinvent the car, in order to be the leader, and it’s backfired on them.

Their mistake in my opinion is not looking at their history, and working with that.

 

[Design FIRST]

The ugly banana shape of EQS and EQE didn't bring a big gain in efficiency so why did Mercedes spent millions on dedicated EV platform when the result can match but not beat the efficiency of BMW’s shared platform?

Having once been the staunchest of proponents for dedicated BEV platforms, I have since become more skeptical. My initial ridicule of BMW's decision to introduce non-dedicated platforms has made way for my pondering whether BMW's strategy is, in fact, the wiser, more pragmatic one. Not all countries have an infrastructure that is as accomodating as those of China or Norway. Obstructive regulation has also been a source of skepticism regarding e-mobility. Not to mention exorbitant prices of BEV vehicles, the far more widespread resistance to BEVs by consumers anchored in reactionary "fear of the new" attitudes, frustration with overly-ideologicized legislation and often plain stubborness. Although most industry reports indicate that M-B's MB.EA and AMG.EA electric architectures are irreversably dedicated, I cannot help but wonder whether this is truly chiseled in stone. The same applies to the VAG PPE electric platform.

 

[Serpens]

The ugly banana shape of EQS and EQE didn't bring a big gain in efficiency so why did Mercedes spent millions on dedicated EV platform when the result can match but not beat the efficiency of BMW’s shared platform?

There’s more to efficiency than aerodynamics. It’s clear now Mercedes did not have sufficient technology elsewhere (motors, batteries) and made up for that deficit with the slipperiest shape possible. The EQS and all EVA2 platform vehicles are using “off the shelf” components from suppliers. You’re going to see a major bump in efficiency next year when Mercedes begins installing their new motors which were designed in house.

They make their debut on the CLA but will be quickly installed on others soon thereafter.

BMW was ahead of Mercedes on this and have used it to their advantage.

 

[Serpens]

Although most industry reports indicate that M-B's MB.EA and AMG.EA electric architectures are irreversably dedicated, I cannot help but wonder whether this is truly chiseled in stone. The same applies to the VAG PPE electric platform.

I fully believe them when they say that because they’ve decided to extend the W223 S-class lifecycle and give it two refreshes. They wouldn’t bother with that if MB.EA could simply be a BMW-style convergence platform.

 

[Design FIRST]

I fully believe them when they say that because they’ve decided to extend the W223 S-class lifecycle and give it two refreshes. They wouldn’t bother with that if MB.EA could simply be a BMW-style convergence platform.

That makes sense.

 

[KiwiRob]

Having once been the staunchest of proponents for dedicated BEV platforms, I have since become more skeptical. My initial ridicule of BMW's decision to introduce non-dedicated platforms has made way for my pondering whether BMW's strategy is, in fact, the wiser, more pragmatic one. Not all countries have an infrastructure that is as accomodating as those of China or Norway. Obstructive regulation has also been a source of skepticism regarding e-mobility. Not to mention exorbitant prices of BEV vehicles, the far more widespread resistance to BEVs by consumers anchored in reactionary "fear of the new" attitudes, frustration with overly-ideologicized legislation and often plain stubborness. Although most industry reports indicate that M-B's MB.EA and AMG.EA electric architectures are irreversably dedicated, I cannot help but wonder whether this is truly chiseled in stone. The same applies to the VAG PPE electric platform.

Neue Klasse kinda throw's a spanner in that theory, BMW's going all in on this dedicated EV platform.

 

[Design FIRST]

Neue Klasse kinda throw's a spanner in that theory, BMW's going all in on this dedicated EV platform.

Perhaps. The NK BMWs promise to be very interesting cars. How they will be received by potential market segment customers remains speculation. And being far more focused on exterior and interior design criteria, let's say that my knowledge of nitty gritty technical aspects leave much. much room for the expansion of that particular horizon. I do wonder how flexible manufacturers can and will be in the light of the possibilities of rapidly shifting tides. Are architectures that have been assured to be "unconditionally dedicated" really immune to "being converted" ? I'm simply inquisitively rambling here, I know.

 

[Design FIRST]

Well...

The ridicule expressed regarding the exterior design of the "One Bow" EQ sedans may be warranted, but it has nonetheless obviously influenced some other manufacturers to introduce adaptions to the theme it presents:

Pictured is the BAIC Huawei Stelato S9 electric sedan from China. This in itself could be considered an accomplishment by Mercedes-Benz designers. Still, I continue to hope that the cars that succeed the EQ feature more conventional longer hoods ,a more cabin-back architecture and jettison those awful front end shutlines.

 

[lukeswiss]

Well...

The ridicule expressed regarding the exterior design of the "One Bow" EQ sedans may be warranted, but it has nonetheless obviously influenced some other manufacturers to introduce adaptions to the theme it presents:

Pictured is the BAIC Huawei Stelato S9 electric sedan from China. This in itself could be considered an accomplishment by Mercedes-Benz designers. Still, I continue to hope that the cars that succeed the EQ feature more conventional longer hoods ,a more cabin-back architecture and jettison those awful front end shutlines.

This looks better

 

[martinbo]

This looks better

That's not hard.

 

[wgerman]

Mercedes stopped work on the 'MB.EA-Large' EV technology platform - electrive.com

Mercedes-Benz is putting the brakes on investment with a change of course - and is no longer developing its electric platform "MB.EA-Large", according to a media report. From 2028, the Stuttgart-based company actually wanted to electrify the new generation of its largest saloons and SUVs on the...

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Mercedes stopped work on the ‘MB.EA-Large’ EV technology platform

 

[AndreB]

"As reported by the German Handelsblatt newspaper, citing four insiders, the development of the “MB.EA-Large” has been put on hold. The reason for this is the disappointing sales figures for current luxury electric cars, which are forcing Mercedes to make “tough cuts”, according to the report."

Someone please remind them that their current 'luxury' electric cars are not really luxury but better trimmed premium cars. On top of that the design is lazy and look boring.

 

[klier]

Neue Klasse kinda throw's a spanner in that theory, BMW's going all in on this dedicated EV platform.

But it's convenient to leave that out.

 

[Matski]

But it's convenient to leave that out.

Hardly, it's a false premise, BMW aren't going all in on NK, we've got entire model generations of core models still to come based on CLAR and FAAR. In much the same way as Mercedes didn't go 'all-in' on the EQ platform - instead basing the EQA, EQB, EQC and EQV on ICE platforms (much the same way BMW did with some models)

Personally, I would not be surprised if by 2035 we're seeing EV platforms with smaller batteries, and internal combustion engines on board as range extenders. To me that seems like the safe hedge against 2035-2050 legislation vs market demand, and also addresses markets where EV's aren't going to be a viable option for a long time, without having to design a platform around mechanical power transmission.

 

[klier]

Hardly, it's a false premise, BMW aren't going all in on NK, we've got entire model generations of core models still to come based on CLAR and FAAR.

Different views then. I think they're going all-in with the NK 3er, their most important model.