GMC [Official] From spied to Official - 2022 GMC Hummer EV

[Deleted member 1071]

Very cool for what it is. It should command legions of fans. And buyers-especially in North America and the UAE.

 

[martinbo]

I'd be lying if I said I was unimpressed. It's great! Inside and (less so) out. Massive off-road ability except obviously being range-constrained compared with a proper expedition-ready ICE off-roader with long-range tanks. 15500 Nm! That almost 10 times more than a Chiron! You'd literally just crawl through or over what's normally deemed to be an off-road obstacle.

Electric 4x4s - the future (and blindingly obvious at that) of game-viewing "safari" vehicles. But there's still some way to go for them to be expedition appropriate.

 

[Centurion]

The price is nuts given the short range. It rules the car out for small businesses like lifeguards, park rangers and those who work in construction. In a vast country like the US where cities places are very spread out, you will have to plan your day very carefully with this car.

 

[Cashmere]

Electric 4x4s - the future (and blindingly obvious at that) of game-viewing "safari" vehicles. But there's still some way to go for them to be expedition appropriate.

If you get a chance, highly recommend watching Long Way up which came out last month. They used pre production Rivian trucks as camera/support vehicles and they drove from LA to the southern tip of Argentina in 100 days. There’s an amazing scene where they driving next to a group of wild horses in the middle of the wilderness and the absence of a clattering combustion engine is something you’d really appreciate

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[Centurion]

There’s an amazing scene where they driving next to a group of wild horses in the middle of the wilderness and the absence of a clattering combustion engine is something you’d really appreciate

That must be serene! I don’t think EVs will be silent forever.
my neighbour has a Model 3 and even when I am in the front garden, I only hear them arrive or leave because of their garage port opening.

Imagine a drunk driver on cocaine driver the hummer recklessly fast. Pedestrians would not be able to hear the car coming. Hit and runs could be worse with EVs as drivers can leave the scene quickly and silently.

I envision that artificial sound will become mandatory in a few years.

 

[martinbo]

I envision that artificial sound will become mandatory in a few years.

Nah mate, people are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to EV's supposed "silence" over ICE vehicles. Most modern car's combustion engines are actually quiet to the point that you don't hear the engine (unless it's a loud sports car or at very high rpm) upon approach. The engine's sound is actually drowned out by tyre roar. That's much more what you hear when cars come toward you, not the engine, and believe me you'll not hear an S-Class coming at you any more than you would a Model S. With those big off-road tyres - you'll hear that Hummer coming at 500 paces.

 

[Sunny]

I envision that artificial sound will become mandatory in a few years.

It is already mandatory in US from last month and I believe EU too (from last year).

Carmakers granted a delay in adding mandatory noise to EVs

A change is also being considered that would let drivers select from different sounds

www.theverge.com

Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU

A safety feature for pedestrians

www.theverge.com

 

[martinbo]

It is already mandatory in US from last month and I believe EU too (from last year).

I think it's a total crock of shit. So a very quiet car like a Roller? Or a hybrid in e-mode?

 

[Centurion]

Nah mate, people are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to EV's supposed "silence" over ICE vehicles. Most modern car's combustion engines are actually quiet to the point that you don't hear the engine (unless it's a loud sports car or at very high rpm) upon approach. The engine's sound is actually drowned out by tyre roar. That's much more what you hear when cars come toward you, not the engine, and believe me you'll not hear an S-Class coming at you any more than you would a Model S. With those big off-road tyres - you'll hear that Hummer coming at 500 paces.

Modern engines are certainly getting quieter and tyre roar can be the dominant sound at high speeds.

However a nutter ragging his 1L TSI engine can still be heard a few corners away, alerting you of ptential danger.

You would need the awareness of Magneto or Spiderman to hear an EV Hummer doing 0-60mph in 3 seconds towards you.

Speaking of clattering off road tyres. Do you think road tyres would have a material impact on range?

 

[Sunny]

I think it's a total crock of shit. So a very quiet car like a Roller? Or a hybrid in e-mode?

The US rule applies to hybrids too. Not sure about the EU one. As for Rollers, I guess there are not as many around to be a big concern.

To be honest, I been surprised to find EVs behind me at shopping parking lots a few times. I think there is also added concern about it effecting blind people & guide dogs more.

 

[martinbo]

Modern engines are certainly getting quieter and tyre roar can be the dominant sound at high speeds.

Even at 60 km/h, tyre roar is more prevalent than engine noise - I've witnessed this countless times in all kinds of scenarios.
I think we need to be practical and consider the scenario more realistically. Pedestrians getting hit by some rally cross loon at full chat is a much less prevalent scenario.
The majority is far likelier to be of the insidious variety: the environment was urban, the driver wasn't necessarily speeding, the car was on a trailing throttle, the pedestrian was distracted / not concentrating / unobservant and stepped out in front of the car because they were oblivious to its presence. ICE or electric - no difference.

However a nutter ragging his 1L TSI engine can still be heard a few corners away, alerting you of ptential danger.

Yeah but as discussed above - is that really the most prevalent situation in urban pedestrian accidents?
I'd say you're more likely to see someone pissed as a coot stepping out of the pub and getting hit by an unsuspecting, law abiding citizen.

You would need the awareness of Magneto or Spiderman to hear an EV Hummer doing 0-60mph in 3 seconds towards you.

Anecdotally, when I was in Orlando a Model X two city blocks away pulled off with intent. We had our backs to it but believe me, you hear it coming. It's not an entirely silent affair.

Speaking of clattering off road tyres. Do you think road tyres would have a material impact on range?

Absolutely, yes, knobbly off-road tyres do have a negative effect on rolling efficiency and adversely affect range.

 

[Matski]

Massive off-road ability except obviously being range-constrained compared with a proper expedition-ready ICE off-roader with long-range tanks.

If we compare it to a H1 returning 10mpg with a 25 gallon tank, it's not too bad to be fair!

 

[martinbo]

To be honest, I been surprised to find EVs behind me at shopping parking lots a few times. I think there is also added concern about it effecting blind people & guide dogs more.

And I can also say that the same's happened to me. But not with an EV vehicle here in SA. Sometimes even an ICE vehicle can sneak up on you - especially if you're distracted.
My point is that electrification of vehicles shouldn't all of a sudden be the catalyst for this, it should be applied to all kinds of modern vehicles if "quietness" is now suddenly a concern.

 

[martinbo]

If we compare it to a H1 returning 10mpg with a 25 gallon tank, it's not too bad to be fair!

Fair enough but:
a) The H1 did not come to mind when I was envisioning an overland expedition-capable vehicle!
b) When things get remote, an ICE vehicle's likely heading in the direction of a fuel pump and not an electric charging station with frappe-latteccinos and sandalwood scented restrooms...

 

[Matski]

a) The H1 did not come to mind when I was envisioning an overland expedition-capable vehicle!

I dunno, I hear Santa Monica boulevard can be pretty precarious sometimes... H1 was definitely the tool for the job

b) When things get remote, an ICE vehicle's likely heading in the direction of a fuel pump and not an electric charging station with frappe-latteccinos and sandalwood scented restrooms...

Perhaps a generator and a couple of Jerry cans will be an option?

 

[Ozy]

The noise issue is actually real but I think the artificial sound is just a temporary solution. In the future AI will play a way bigger role in this. We still got people who drive with trucks into crowds, no matter how much sound there is you can’t escape in many cases, so I believe cars need to recognize what’s in front of them and how the driver is behaving, and act according to that.

The range is indeed quite small, I mean very small given how much batteries they put in. Hummers were always high consumption cars, and people bought them anyways, so I doubt it will be a big trouble for the fans, but if the Cybertruck will have better specs, I think objective buyers will get that over the Hummer.

Small correction to Cashmeres post, they have been riding from South America to California while it was winter in the south, that’s the whole topic of the series, hard to miss.

 

[klier]

I love it

My point is that electrification of vehicles shouldn't all of a sudden be the catalyst for this, it should be applied to all kinds of modern vehicles if "quietness" is now suddenly a concern.

But ICE is not silent at all, not by any measure. Quietness most definitely is a major concern for EV cars, but even more so for these EV bikes and EV scooters where you don't even hear the tires squeal.

Just imagine a busy Dutch city filled with regular slow bicycles, pedestrians, etc. And then mix that with EV powered cars/scooters/bikes/bicycles. Mix all that with the regular city sounds, blend it all together and wait for the accidents.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Intriguing.... and this is coming from a guy who absolutely loathed Hummers.

Seems like everyday a new EV comes out that makes the proposition for owning an EV more interesting. Lucid, Honda e, Rivian, this...interesting stuff.

 

[rollo]

Starting just north of $112K in the states for the 1000hp version in 2021. "Less" expensive models to follow in the subsequent years. It will be interesting to see how many deposits they receive at that price point.

 

[Sunny]

And I can also say that the same's happened to me. But not with an EV vehicle here in SA. Sometimes even an ICE vehicle can sneak up on you - especially if you're distracted.
My point is that electrification of vehicles shouldn't all of a sudden be the catalyst for this, it should be applied to all kinds of modern vehicles if "quietness" is now suddenly a concern.

Yea, definitely has happened to me too with ICEV. But EVs, at low speeds, are eerily silent. There has been studies showing hybrids/EV have much higher chance of pedestrian accidents. Can find the links here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds

The study found that a HEV was two times more likely to be involved in a pedestrian crash than was a conventional ICE vehicle when a vehicle is slowing or stopping, backing up, or entering or leaving a parking space.