M3/M4 [Official] BMW M4 GTS

[Zafiro]

When BMW don't release a performance model, people complain. When BMW finally does it, people complain again.

 

[manuelf]

Yes agree especially as I really am mostly now surprised and shocked how expensive the M4 GTS is. I would rather go to a Porsche dealer and purchase a GT3 and save €5000.

No, you won't The GT3 can not be ordered anymore as many have complained ... although it is still listed on their website. And you would not dave so much money as the Navi is missing in the GT3. So prices are about even

 

[sanpt7777]

Yes. Message board wisdom.



Yea ok

If we were eccentric millionares we could do an M4 GTS vs. tuned M4 with intact warranty match and see who comes victorious. Sadly I'm just eccentric, but not a millionare, don't know about you
So let's agree to disagree

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I'm just saying it's way overpriced for something I believecould be achieved with bolt ons without even having to lose your warranty.

Yes but some of the features will not be available to standard M4 Customers in order to keep exclusivity. And only those with the GTS will be able to specify.
I have no doubt that the Aftermarket will be able to imitate but it will be at the cost of your warranty. At another site I recently dealt with someone that put so much aftermarket crap in their vehicle that when it went wrong, BMW would void the warranty. The aftermarket supplier did not have a warranty guarantee.

But that is exactly my point, you CAN do it without losing your warranty. Call Dinan. I don't see how pretty much any of the modifications I listed would void your warranty.

I get it, if you are looking for exclusivity, or out the door performance, it's fine then. But double the price of a standard M4 is quite a lot for what's being offered. That's all. I don't feel you are getting double the car, if that makes sense. I now for a company like BMW it's easier said than done, coming with a car like this, but I'd like to be pointed out why is this car worth it's price.
I'll stop my "hating" now.

 

[klier]

If we were eccentric millionares we could do an M4 GTS vs. tuned M4 with intact warranty match and see who comes victorious.

I am not even following you. We are talking OEM. I don't care about the tuners. I am well aware of them, and besides, tuners are just that; this GTS is more than that I would say.

 

[sanpt7777]

I am not even following you. We are talking OEM. I don't care about the tuners. I am well aware of them, and besides, tuners are just that; this GTS is more than that I would say.

Alright, I'll help you out. In a nutshell:
I mentioned you could get similar performance with bolt ons, you said I was a troll.
Then, for whatever reason, I said it again, and you sad it was "message board wisdom", then I made a joke to call this stupid arguing off, trying to say that neither is wrong or right until proved otherwise, and here you are still not following me but happily arguing.

@SCOTT27 do you have anything to do with SCOTT26 at bimmer post? I was reading about the M4 GTS and someone posts with that username

lol I got censored "another site"

 

[sanpt7777]

How true is it that the GTS is being built to be homologated for racing series?

 

[LaArtist]

A BMW 3 Series for damn near 1.5 million kroner, i think ile pass

 

[klier]

Alright, I'll help you out. In a nutshell:
I mentioned you could get similar performance with bolt ons, you said I was a troll.
Then, for whatever reason, I said it again, and you sad it was "message board wisdom", then I made a joke to call this stupid arguing off, trying to say that neither is wrong or right until proved otherwise, and here you are still not following me but happily arguing.

Prove what otherwise? We all know tuners make cars faster for less money. Happens everywhere everyday, nothing new. A 5-6k tuning kit for the M4 makes the car faster than a GT3 RS, as seen numerous times in magazines like Sport Auto. Won't be driving as well as the GTS though I bet.

And yea it's the same Scotty

 

[klier]

Some info from a guy who has seen the car irl:

Wheels look fabulous in person, I wasn't sure until I saw it for myself

They've done a great job with the exhaust, its similar to After Sales version you can buy but has been tweaked some. I'm not much a fan of cold starts on the M4 but this one sounded great from the beginning, means business

Hood surprises you with the weight difference

Price is similar to i8, was told upper end of 130s for US

I think you will need to refill water every 5th fuel stop or so...below 2c it shuts off water flow as its not needed.

The euro seats are amazing, but US can't have them because of side airbag requirement. After Sales is going to be your friend for those...

Its a great looking and sounding car, I think they did a fine job with it, excited to see the tech trickle down into the standard M3/M4. Obviously that system won't involve a water tank refill.

The inside door panels are made from the same CFRP used in i8 construction...

I want one badly

 

[sanpt7777]

Prove what otherwise? We all know tuners make cars faster for less money. Happens everywhere everyday, nothing new. A 5-6k tuning kit for the M4 makes the car faster than a GT3 RS, as seen numerous times in magazines like Sport Auto. Won't be driving as well as the GTS though I bet.

And yea it's the same Scotty

I'm sure the M4's GTS beauty lies in the handling as you say. It has a different steering which also improves steering feel as far as I know.

So the interior panels on the doors and hood are carbon?
That's a good start to explain the crazy price, but also, what's with the weight Betty quoted?

 

[klier]

So the interior panels on the doors and hood are carbon?
That's a good start to explain the crazy price, but also, what's with the weight Betty quoted?

Yes:

And the interior is also pretty much fully leather and alcantara.
What's up with the weight?

I'm sure the M4's GTS beauty lies in the handling as you say. It has a different steering which also improves steering feel as far as I know.

It also has 3 way adjustable coilovers in the suspension. Pretty radical.

 

[sanpt7777]

Yes:


And the interior is also pretty much fully leather and alcantara.
What's up with the weight?

I see sources claiming -80kg all the way to -100, and Betty says a standard M4 is lighter, which according to my research is true, but sounds wrong to me. How is that even possible?

It also has 3 way adjustable coilovers in the suspension. Pretty radical.

And that, is what Iike to read

ps I'm guessing the door pulls are useless? The metal looking ones, not the straps

 

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[martinbo]

Any aftermarket tuning of the ECU normally results in voiding the manufacturer's engine warranty.

The silver door latches are fully functional. The door pull straps are just that - to pull the door closed.

 

[sanpt7777]

Any aftermarket tuning of the ECU normally results in voiding the manufacturer's engine warranty.

The silver door latches are fully functional. The door pull straps are just that - to pull the door closed.

Dumb me, I thought they were meant to open the door. Seemed pointless keeping the latch.

I know your warranty isn't void with Dinan, but I will no longer talk about all that tuned vs. OEM stuff. Not worth derailing

 

[Zafiro]

Dinan

Dumb me, I thought they were meant to open the door. Seemed pointless keeping the latch.

I know your warranty isn't void with Dinan, but I will no longer talk about all that tuned vs. OEM stuff. Not worth derailing

Dinan is American tuner company. They don't even exist in Sweden. Come to BMW Sweden with dinan upgrade and they will laugh at you. Let's not get carried away with tuner companies. It's like buying base Porsche 911 and making it look and go like a GT3.

 

[sanpt7777]

Dinan

Dinan is American tuner company. They don't even exist in Sweden. Come to BMW Sweden with dinan upgrade and they will laugh at you. Let's not get carried away with tuner companies. It's like buying base Porsche 911 and making it look and go like a GT3.

I understand in most countries there is absolutely no choice (there is always Porsche though), I just thought my comment was relevant because well, USA buys more M cars than any other country.

But as you say, back on topic. Even I, myself, admitted it is not worth derailing:

I know your warranty isn't void with Dinan, but I will no longer talk about all that tuned vs. OEM stuff. Not worth derailing

 

[klier]

I see sources claiming -80kg all the way to -100, and Betty says a standard M4 is lighter, which according to my research is true, but sounds wrong to me. How is that even possible?

There is only one source, and that is BMW AG. The numbers are all freely to be found, and Betty is absolutely correct.

And how it's possible is very easy really. You cannot simply take a standard M4 and give it 500 hp and 600 Nm and be done with it. That is **TADA** a tuner's job. The additional part that are used to make the GTS are actually heavier than a standard M4, so without the additional weight saving measurements on the GTS it would be even 'heavier'.

 

[klier]

A BMW 3 Series for damn near 1.5 million kroner, i think ile pass

Oh well, at least it's a BMW 3 series that destroys every Benz. LOL
It's too expensive though, you're right there. Would be nice if this was actually affordable, but that's obviously stuff for dreams. This car aims in between the GT3 and GT3 RS, and those cars aren't exactly cheap either.

 

[Andy1980]

Who is providing the OLEDs for the M4? Osram?