M3/M4 [Official] BMW M4 GTS

[Rolf]

That's exactly what Scott said, but I doubt it very much. An even lighter CSL would be going to what pricing territory?

I think there will be a new M3 CRT in not too long, and then we're done.

The previous M3 GTS cost over 100000 pounds in UK when it came out double the cost of the previous M3 so if they really went extreme and came out with a CSL with more CFRP bodywork and even more lighter CF suspension components and stripped out interior with no door panels and no AC etc. it would cost likely 140000 pounds and would not be a big improvement performance wise over the GTS. But the hardcore enthusiast will most likely spend this kind of money for the most extreme BMW ever.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Nurburgring lap times:

M3 CSL: 7:50 min
M3 GTS: 7:48 min
M4 GTS: 7:28 min

this M4 GTS lifts the whole 3er/4er range to magnificence again.

I think you're going way over the top with the hyperbole. It's also the most expensive BMW ever sold at €142,600. It's €32,000 more expensive than the 911 Carrera S, which gets within 6 seconds of the GTS lap time, whilst also being a normal road car with all the luxuries, NOT a stripped out track special with special tyres etc. It also has two more seats (albeit small ones).

The engine tech is impressive though.

It also has absolutely zero relevance to most people, and has no impact on the rest of the 3er/4er range.

 

[Rolf]

Nurburgring lap times:

M3 CSL: 7:50 min
M3 GTS: 7:48 min
M4 GTS: 7:28 min

Currently there's only 28 cars faster than the M4 GTS on the Ring, and this includes *almost* every car ever made including the 918 Spyder and Radical SR8 and Gumpert Apollo. What an incredible feat, this M4 GTS lifts the whole 3er/4er range to magnificence again.?

Yeah I am amazed at the time of 7:28 that is 2 sec faster than the AMG GT S and not far off the GT3 Porsche! A special BMW this is indeed!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Yeah I am amazed at the time of 7:28 that is 2 sec faster than the AMG GT S and not far off the GT3 Porsche! A special BMW this is indeed!

Why does it surprise you? It has a superior power to weight ratio than the AMG GT S and is track focused. It's also nearly €10,000 more expensive, except the GT S still has all the luxuries.

I think 7:28 is exactly where it should be!

 

[Rolf]

142.500 euro german price. That's serious money for a 3/4 series car

Yep that is huge money for a 3/4 series it's 27000€ more expensive than the base AMG GT and 8000€ more than an AMG GT S!

 

[Rolf]

Why does it surprise you? It has a superior power to weight ratio than the AMG GT S and is track focused. It's also nearly €10,000 more expensive, except the GT S still has all the luxuries.

I think 7:28 is exactly where it should be!

Yes agree especially as I really am mostly now surprised and shocked how expensive the M4 GTS is. I would rather go to a Porsche dealer and purchase a GT3 and save €5000.

 

[sanpt7777]

Look, why don't you just go away and troll somewhere else?

Really? I am the one trolling? Or is BMW the troll here? You really are a zealot, ain't you?

It doesn't! It only weighs 27kg less than an M DCT equipped M4 Coupe. A manual gearbox M4 Coupe actually weighs LESS than the M4 GTS, so you could walk into a BMW dealer and buy a standard M4 and you wouldn't have to do ANY stripping to make it lighter than a GTS.

I know man, I checked yesterday and what you say seems correct. I'm just saying that even if it was actually 80kg lighter, you could still do that for free.

So a standard M4 is lighter, maybe you can even keep the h/k sound system?

 

[klier]

I think you're going way over the top with the hyperbole.

And I don't care about what you think of it. This is a very special BMW. I am not going to let your negative views spoil this, and I think BMW has made a big step. Far bigger than the M3 GTS was.

Really? I am the one trolling?

Yes you are. Your first post in this thread was more than enough. We don't need 10 separate posts on things you don't like.

Yep that is huge money for a 3/4 series it's 27000€ more expensive than the base AMG GT and 8000€ more than an AMG GT S!

Nothing new, the M3 GTS was more expensive than a GT3 RS was while being completely inferior.

 

[sanpt7777]

Yes you are. Your first post in this thread was more than enough. We don't need 10 separate posts on things you don't like.

We don't need 100 separate posts on things you like either, but that's what a forum is for. My first post was just an opinion, can you dig that? I wasn't trying to get a reaction.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

We don't need 10 separate posts on things you don't like.

Presumably 10 separate posts about things he does like are perfectly fine though?


The tech is very impressive, but let's not get carried away. On paper it's on a par with similar cars if slightly too expensive. It's a limited production track special. Had it been SIGNIFICANTLY better than the competition, either in terms of price or performance then I could understand it.

Compared with the AMG GT S for example, it's MORE expensive, has a similar lap time, and is based on a mass produced and extremely common standard BMW, unlike the AMG GT S which is a bespoke design. What's more, the AMG GT S hasn't had to go on a diet and still has all the luxuries you'd expect.

 

[hovabongZA]

So much hate for this cars ,but BMW will sell every 1 of the 700 units easily . Its more expensive than the GT3 because it performs similar but much more exclusive. Well done BMW proving once again that your a leader when it come to lighting technology those O.LEDs look great , probably going to be the best looking rear lights of any production car. Now put that drivtrain into the I8 so we can have a supercar because your clearly capable without breaking a sweat.

 

[klier]

Presumably 10 separate posts about things he does like are perfectly fine though?

Well for you probably not....

Compared with the AMG GT S for example, it's MORE expensive, has a similar lap time, and is based on a mass produced and extremely common standard BMW, unlike the AMG GT S which is a bespoke design.

Yeah, that makes it's sporty aspirations even more sad. The mass produced and extremely common platform appears to be utterly amazing. 3er drivers will feel proud to know what kind of engineering they drive. Typical BMW engineering.

Also, the price is irrelevant. The car will be sold out very quickly either way. BMW too has fans, and this is a very exclusive car. Unlike the AMG GT.

We don't need 100 separate posts on things you like either, but that's what a forum is for.

If I don't like a certain car I let it know and move on. I don't stay for the sake of being negative.
I'm done now though, I have had my say and it felt good.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I think the really interesting and special thing about this car is the engine, as tends to be the case with BMWs. I'm no engineering expert but it seems to be truly innovative (although I do believe those in the tuning scene have been doing this for years?).

 

[Betty Swollocks]

So much hate for this cars ,but BMW will sell every 1 of the 700 units easily . Its more expensive than the GT3 because it performs similar but much more exclusive. Well done BMW proving once again that your a leader when it come to lighting technology those O.LEDs look great , probably going to be the best looking rear lights of any production car. Now put that drivtrain into the I8 so we can have a supercar because your clearly capable without breaking a sweat.

I don't see anybody hating the car.

700 units is nothing. Selling them all is hardly something to boast about. BMW know they couldn't sell anywhere near as many of these compared to GT3s should production quotas be lifted. Hence the limited production numbers to create "exclusivity" and justify the selling price.

 

[sanpt7777]

So much hate for this cars ,but BMW will sell every 1 of the 700 units easily . Its more expensive than the GT3 because it performs similar but much more exclusive. Well done BMW proving once again that your a leader when it come to lighting technology those O.LEDs look great , probably going to be the best looking rear lights of any production car. Now put that drivtrain into the I8 so we can have a supercar because your clearly capable without breaking a sweat.

Basically, they are creating an illusion of exclusivity by means of ridiculous overpricing and yet hardcore fanboys are fine with it. Reminds me of Starbucks.

I like the design of the car, even the eBay wing, if anything it would look better to me in black and no orange accents. I also think it is impressive that the car matches Porsche on the track, and the interior is gorgeous.

What I'm not OK with is that they price it like a Porsche too. If I'm getting a car for that price, I might as well get the Porsche.
This cars is supposed to be as good as a Porsche for less money.

I think the really interesting and special thing about this car is the engine, as tends to be the case with BMWs. I'm no engineering expert but it seems to be truly innovative (although I do believe those in the tuning scene have been doing this for years?).

Decades, yes

 

[sanpt7777]

If I don't like a certain car I let it know and move on. I don't stay for the sake of being negative.
I'm done now though, I have had my say and it felt good.

And thats what I did, but you had to tell me how good it is regardless. In the end I was not even directing my comments to you, if anything I was discussing with Betty.

You also seem to methodically ignore the positive things I do say about the car, so it seems like it's you being negative for the sake of negativity.

 

[klier]

Basically, they are creating an illusion of exclusivity by means of ridiculous overpricing and yet hardcore fanboys are fine with it. Reminds me of Starbucks.

And I was being negative?
I really like you as a person and I like your posts, but not now

What I'm not OK with is that they price it like a Porsche too. If I'm getting a car for that price, I might as well get the Porsche.
This cars is supposed to be as good as a Porsche for less money.

Who says it's supposed to be as good for less money? They have made a 911 GT3 'beater' out of an ordinary 4er coupe, which isn't exactly a sports car like the 911 is. Quite extraordinary and not that strange it costs a couple of bucks.
And besides, they don't care you are not ok with it, because there will be more people ok with it than they will even produce.

ps, notice how I keep ignoring your positives

 

[sanpt7777]

And I was being negative?
I really like you as a person and I like your posts, but not now

Just like we said last time we argued about the 4er, it's not personal. I think the same as you
We are just strongly opinionated fellas. I have a friend just like you and we do have our 'discussions' about the most trivial things

Who says it's supposed to be as good for less money? They have made a 911 GT3 'beater' out of an ordinary 4er coupe, which isn't exactly a sports car like the 911 is. Quite extraordinary and not that strange it costs a couple of bucks.
And besides, they don't care you are not ok with it, because there will be more people ok with it than they will even produce.

Nobody said it, it is implied, at least by me. We have a different view here. You say it's worth it because it's an ordinary car that can match the performance of a Porsche, while I say it's not worth it because even though it matches the performance of a Porsche (which is not that extraordinary), it still is an ordinary car.

I'm not saying I don't like the car, in fact the M4 fixes the blandness I perceived on the standard 4er, I even like the wing.
I'm just saying it's way overpriced for something I believe could be achieved with bolt ons without even having to lose your warranty. Yet this car will somehow create demand by means of said overpricing. Just like Starbucks does. I think BMW can do better, that's all, maybe if I had the big bucks I wouldn't care, or maybe I'd still feel my money is better spent on a Cayman or something.

ps, notice how I keep ignoring your positives

I can figure that one out on my own thanks

 

[klier]

I'm just saying it's way overpriced for something I believe could be achieved with bolt ons without even having to lose your warranty.

Yes. Message board wisdom.

I think BMW can do better, that's all

Yea ok

 

[SCOTT27]

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I'm just saying it's way overpriced for something I believecould be achieved with bolt ons without even having to lose your warranty.

Yes but some of the features will not be available to standard M4 Customers in order to keep exclusivity. And only those with the GTS will be able to specify.
I have no doubt that the Aftermarket will be able to imitate but it will be at the cost of your warranty. At another site I recently dealt with someone that put so much aftermarket crap in their vehicle that when it went wrong, BMW would void the warranty. The aftermarket supplier did not have a warranty guarantee.