M3/M4 [Official] BMW M4 GTS

[klier]

Good question, quite possibly Osram, yeah.

 

[Zafiro]

Oh well, at least it's a BMW 3 series that destroys every Benz. LOL
It's too expensive though, you're right there. Would be nice if this was actually affordable, but that's obviously stuff for dreams. This car aims in between the GT3 and GT3 RS, and those cars aren't exactly cheap either.

A C63 Black Series aint cheap either. If MB can sell C63 BS for about the same price, then so can BMW.

 

[klier]

A C63 Black Series aint cheap either. If MB can sell C63 BS for about the same price, then so can BMW.

BMW maybe even easier in these regions (AKA sporty cars, what they are famous for), like how MB can sell more in the high end luxury with their crazy big and versatile S class line up (sedan, coupe, cabrio, AMG, Maybach)

ps, I like your new (old) name. Good times.

 

[sanpt7777]

There is only one source, and that is BMW AG. The numbers are all freely to be found, and Betty is absolutely correct.

And how it's possible is very easy really. You cannot simply take a standard M4 and give it 500 hp and 600 Nm and be done with it. That is **TADA** a tuner's job. The additional part that are used to make the GTS are actually heavier than a standard M4, so without the additional weight saving measurements on the GTS it would be even 'heavier'.

Alright, this is very weird. Thanks for the info. Now I'll wait for someone to put the cars on a scale.

Oh well, at least it's a BMW 3 series that destroys every Benz. LOL
It's too expensive though, you're right there. Would be nice if this was actually affordable, but that's obviously stuff for dreams. This car aims in between the GT3 and GT3 RS, and those cars aren't exactly cheap either.

Let's leave Mercedes out of this

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Alright, this is very weird. Thanks for the info. Now I'll wait for someone to put the cars on a scale.

Does the M4 GTS have a roll cage? Because that could explain the extra weight.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Does the M4 GTS have a roll cage? Because that could explain the extra weight.

The roll-cage is a no-cost option, so the 1,585kg weight is WITHOUT the roll cage.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

That's damn heavy without a roll cage. Haha what did they put in this car? Water?!

 

[sanpt7777]

That's damn heavy without a roll cage. Haha what did they put in this car? Water?!

lololol
I asked the same, no roll cage, it's optional, so those 30kg are not considered yet

 

[Betty Swollocks]

And the GTS will be heavier in the US spec as it doesn't have the lightweight bucket seats.

Am I the only person who's read the press release in full?


As indication of what weight savings are possible:

The CFRP roof panel in the M4 Coupe and the GTS saves 6kg over a metal roof.

The CFRP bonnet is 25% lighter than the aluminium bonnet on the standard M4.

The titanium exhaust system is 20% lighter than the standard M4.

The carbon fibre bucket seats are 50% lighter than the standard M4.

The CFRP prop shaft on the GTS is even lighter than that on the standard M4.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

So the interior panels on the doors and hood are carbon?

The bonnet (hood) is carbon. The interior door panels are not (although they are made out of lightweight material).

Yes:

No.

Does the M4 GTS have a roll cage? Because that could explain the extra weight.

The Club Sport package also includes a fire extinguisher which contains 2kg of retardant.

 

[klier]

Alright, this is very weird.

Nothing is weird, you're running in circles.

No.

I believe they are, just not plastic reinforced.

 

[klier]

The CFRP roof panel in the M4 Coupe and the GTS saves 6kg over a metal roof.

The CFRP bonnet is 25% lighter than the aluminium bonnet on the standard M4.

The titanium exhaust system is 20% lighter than the standard M4.

The carbon fibre bucket seats are 50% lighter than the standard M4.

The CFRP prop shaft on the GTS is even lighter than that on the standard M4.

And the new door panels are 50% lighter. It is indeed all pretty simple when you just read the press release.
So with all the weight savings, the added tech still makes it more heavy than a standard manual M4. Just goes to show the car is not simply an M4.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I believe they are, just not plastic reinforced.

The press release specifically mentions which parts of the GTS are made with CFRP. It also specifically mentions Glass FRP parts. It only describes the doors as being made from "lightweight material". If they were made of carbon they'd say so.

If you think about it, the door interior panels can be lightweight without needing to be strong, so making them out of carbon fibre would be unnecessarily extravagant.

In that photo, they don't look like carbon.

 

[klier]

The press release specifically mentions which parts of the GTS are made with CFRP. It also specifically mentions Glass FRP parts.

Carbon fiber or glass fiber. I meant to say it is something like this but without the 'RP' part Just CF or GF.

 

[SKY]

So what's the story with this car's weight? If what Betty says is true then it is nothing spectacular.

Which would open the CSL scenario.

 

[klier]

Maaaaan! Nothing is up with the weight. It's all perfectly clear.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Carbon fiber or glass fiber. I meant to say it is something like this but without the 'RP' part Just CF or GF.

I don't think it's either. What makes you think it is? In the press release it specifically mentions every part that is carbon or glass fibre. For the door panels it just says "lightweight material". If it was anything worth mentioning it would specifically mention it.

So what's the story with this car's weight? If what Betty says is true then it is nothing spectacular.

Which would open the CSL scenario.

Why do people keep saying "IF what Betty is saying is true"?!! It IS true! Read the bloody press release! I've posted TWICE the EXACT published weights of both the standard M4 and M4 GTS, in DIN and EU1. Why are people making this so difficult?!

Jesus!

 

[sanpt7777]

So what's the story with this car's weight? If what Betty says is true then it is nothing spectacular.

Which would open the CSL scenario.

So basically, BMW is selling the car as lightweight, when in fact it's pretty much the same. The catch here is that weight is better distributed, and extra weight is caused by parts that improve performance.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

So basically, BMW is selling the car as lightweight, when in fact it's pretty much the same. The catch here is that weight is better distributed, and extra weight is caused by parts that improve performance.

It's not the same though is it?! The GTS WITHOUT the weight saving features would weigh MORE than the standard M4.

 

[sanpt7777]

It's not the same though is it?! The GTS WITHOUT the weight saving features would weigh MORE than the standard M4.

I know, and it would be HEAVIER. Since it has weight saving measures, it weights the same as your average M4, neither loaded nor standard, but it's not LIGHTER either. That's what I'm explaining to him