5 Series (F10) [Official] BMW F10 5 Series

[tatoun]

Same as in English (chic) or French (chique): elegant, classy, stylish.

Sorry, but in French it is "chic"
Chique is a piece of tobacco which is chewed. Nothing to deal with cars, I am affraid!

 

[klier]

Since I'm moving interstate in April, I definitely think I'll sell the 7 Series and 3er and upgrade to a 535i and a new facelift 335i coupe. I hope both are available in Australia around that time?

I don't think the 5er is available in April in Australia already, that's two weeks after the public can first see the car in Geneva...

As for the 7er vs 5er, that's really hard. So far (I haven't seen the new 5er yet obviously) the F01 7er is the most stunning BMW saloon ever created. My jaw drops every time I see one, still.

 

[south]

As for the 7er vs 5er, that's really hard. So far (I haven't seen the new 5er yet obviously) the F01 7er is the most stunning BMW saloon ever created. My jaw drops every time I see one, still.

The 7 is more elegant and a stunning, impressive car. The 5 on the other hand could be seen as more sporty, with an even more get-out-of-the-way face. In the flesh, I prefer the 5 for its more athletic looks.


Best regards,
south

 

[Mr Robert]

"When DSC is fully de-activated, an electronic limited-slip differential comes into play in vigorous driving. By judicious application of the individual rear-wheel brakes, DSC simulates the effect of a traditional mechanical limited-slip differential. This has the effect of better apportioning power between the two rear wheels and thus improving traction in this driving situation."

So, no LSD for the M5? Is there a chance that we could get one on other M models?

 

[bmer]

Since I'm moving interstate in April, I definitely think I'll sell the 7 Series and 3er and upgrade to a 535i and a new facelift 335i coupe. I hope both are available in Australia around that time?

Upgrade? You mean "downgrade"?

 

[Potential]

I must have been tired last night because we can throw away the idiculous idea of 'upgrading' from a 750i to a 535i. From a the 7 series to the new M5 in about 1.5 years, now that's an upgrade!

 

[aleks_16]

Thats a HOT car

 

[Mii]

... And the photos posted by Mii, no one going to see the differences, they are too small to notice unless they look extremely carefully.

Unfortunately for me it looks obvious, it felt like looking at a super model with chest hair!

The "squashed effects" contributes to very aggressive predatory crouching pose. The change you've suggested would make the care more alert - like the 7er - not more predatory aggressive looking.

Remember the first purported leak F10 brochure photo? I happened to prefer F01 7er bonnet line above headlight (with additional bonnet crease above headlight similar to X1). The wave-like bonnet line kind of stepping into the territory of 00' Infiniti I30 IMO.

I agree with this too. I still don't see what Mii is trying to show in photochop. Maybe he should circle in red, as I don't notice any difference.

The example I showed below should be clear to you, thanks Klier for the explanation on previous post.

Both solutions only work in 2D pictures.
Take this pic for example. If you look at the light on the right side in the pic, you can see that the little wave in upper part of the headlight creates the effect of the headlight being wrapped around the car. Like E60, but way less extreme. It's a very nice detail imho:
As for that other change, I definitely understand what Mii means, but I think it would compromise the shark nose effect

With those changes, it works for 3D as well. It retains the shark-nose posture while streamlines headlight shape better with design. Take the the original F10 5er design art work for example, you will notice the straight bonnet line above headlight that followed the BMW tradition, namely E34, E39, and so on. In case of E60 design, it's a different design language with longer arch-form of upward curve corner light design which fits well in E60 but not in the case of F10. The new F10 headlight shape design didn't go well with wave-like bonnet line while corner light curved downward.



The IRL shot evidently showed even tougher and cleaner stance with straighter bonnet line. The bottom line is all about preference really. In any respect, the F10 bumper definitely needs M-sport pack as it did to E92/E93 LCI IMHO.

Original F10 design art work with straighter bonnet line for reference.

Source

 

[EMpower]

Unfortunately for me it looks obvious, it felt like looking at a super model with chest hair!

Remember the first purported leak F10 brochure photo? I happened to prefer F01 7er bonnet line above headlight (with additional bonnet crease above headlight similar to X1). The wave-like bonnet line kind of stepping into the territory of 00' Infiniti I30 IMO.

The example I showed below should be clear to you, thanks Klier for the explanation on previous post.

With those changes, it works for 3D as well. It retains the shark-nose posture while streamlines headlight shape better with design. Take the the original F10 5er design art work for example, you will notice the straight bonnet line above headlight that followed the BMW tradition, namely E34, E39, and so on. In case of E60 design, it's a different design language with longer arch-form of upward curve corner light design which fits well in E60 but not in the case of F10. The new F10 headlight shape design didn't go well with wave-like bonnet line while corner light curved downward.



The IRL shot evidently showed even tougher and cleaner stance with straighter bonnet line. The bottom line is all about preference really. In any respect, the F10 bumper definitely needs M-sport pack as it did to E92/E93 LCI IMHO.


Source

Thanks. I see you point. I just don't like the straight hood-line in the front giving the box lid appearance to the hood.

Notice how Nissan gave a curve to hood line on the new Maxima so it does not look like a box lid. Also it does not interferes with body creases as is the case with F10 5-series where it cuts the creases 4 times.

 

[Gene]

Thanks. I see you point. I just don't like the straight hood-line in the front giving the box lid appearance to the hood.

Notice how Nissan gave a curve to hood line on the new Maxima so it does not look like a box lid. Also it does not interferes with body creases as is the case with F10 5-series where it cuts the creases 4 times.

I can tell you from first hand experience that it is near impossible to do simple maintainence on your car when the car is designed this way, and Nissan is worst for it.

I tried to change my left parking lightbulb on my Nissan (the Japanese version of the Infiniti G35, which is called the Skyline in Japan). The official manual says you need to take the entire bumper off, take out the headlamp assembly (which requires taking out the air filter assembly etc), then change the lightbulb, and reverse the procedure. I had a look and gave up. Ended up taking it to the local autoelectrician and asking them (embarrassingly) to help me change my lightbulb. Cost me $15 (time and materials), for something that should take 2 minutes and cost $0.50. It took me 2 minutes in my 1995 Honda Integra. Of course it isn't just Nissan. My boss has a new Toyota Estima, and even the autoelectrician couldn't work out how to change the lightbulb.

So I'm all for the 5 bonnet/hood design, provided I can actually do something simple like change the lightbulb. The moment that warranty expires, or the moment the car is sold second-hand, it becomes near impossible to live with the car.

 

[RikfromBelgium]

I know it's a forum for fanatics but whhoooaaaw, pretty anal stuff here

 

[EnI]

Unfortunately for me it looks obvious, it felt like looking at a super model with chest hair!

Remember the first purported leak F10 brochure photo? I happened to prefer F01 7er bonnet line above headlight (with additional bonnet crease above headlight similar to X1). The wave-like bonnet line kind of stepping into the territory of 00' Infiniti I30 IMO.

The example I showed below should be clear to you, thanks Klier for the explanation on previous post.

With those changes, it works for 3D as well. It retains the shark-nose posture while streamlines headlight shape better with design. Take the the original F10 5er design art work for example, you will notice the straight bonnet line above headlight that followed the BMW tradition, namely E34, E39, and so on. In case of E60 design, it's a different design language with longer arch-form of upward curve corner light design which fits well in E60 but not in the case of F10. The new F10 headlight shape design didn't go well with wave-like bonnet line while corner light curved downward.

The IRL shot evidently showed even tougher and cleaner stance with straighter bonnet line. The bottom line is all about preference really. In any respect, the F10 bumper definitely needs M-sport pack as it did to E92/E93 LCI IMHO.

Original F10 design art work with straighter bonnet line for reference.

Sure you can manipulate the 2D images ... But in IRL 3D the situation is different. Straight line would not go well with all the other curvy lines & creases on the car's fascia. Also the concave curve gives the predatory crouching effect - making the car more aggressive.

With more convex curve the car would look too much like F01 7er, and also due to lower nose on the F10 such solution would look rather stupid on the car - since there would have to be a lot of horizontal glass part in the cluster - since the nose curves back very early - therefore no room for completely vertical cluster shape with extra crease on the bonnet at the hood line.

Making the headlight cluster more convex at the top, and more vertical would require a higher nose - that would lead to less sporty-aggressive (ala Z4) but more to alert-serious appearance (ala X1 or 7er). Without raising the nose it would also make the car fascia looking like a frog with the over dimensioned vertical & convex headlights.

Convex top line (on the cluster) is more suitable for high noses, while concave looks & suits better to lower noses.

Yes, the could go for more neutral straight line but in that case all the other lines will have to be straighter as well to make a consistent theme. But as you can see this car likes the more curvy organic lines.

When you'll see the car IRL you'll realize the headlight cluster design fits in perfectly, and the flow in design is so natural & consistent & coherent any change would be totally redundant.

Also there is also a functional explanation of all the creases in the fascia - since the nose is relatively low, there have to be "raised" panels (bulges, creases etc) since a certain gap between the hard parts (radiator, engine block, struts etc) under the bonnet / grille is required by EU safety standards. So you can either design a low nose with quite some prominent bulges & creases, you can sit the engine & suspension parts lower - if there is any room for that, or you can raise the nose entirely - presenting flatter hood etc.

Eg. the raised creases on F10 hood are exactly above the front suspension struts, and above the engine block ... so the required gap is there - maiking the "deformation zone" more comfortable & safer - since the bonnet lid is softer & deforms.

 

[Centurion]

Your wish is my command Here's a black one, from the BMW Blog:

Marvelous. Finally I'm excited about the car, would look fantastic in blue I think. Can't wait to see the M-kit on the car.

 

[Human]

BMW F10 ActiveHybrid

BMW has confirmed ActiveHybrid Concept for Geneva 2010.

(Source: WorldCarFans)

 

[Shakal]

New photos on BMW blog:

 

[Mii]

... Yes, the could go for more neutral straight line but in that case all the other lines will have to be straighter as well to make a consistent theme. But as you can see this car likes the more curvy organic lines.
When you'll see the car IRL you'll realize the headlight cluster design fits in perfectly, and the flow in design is so natural & consistent & coherent any change would be totally redundant. ...

I see the parts where excessive horizontal headlight housing exposure if convex curve had been in place. That was also one of the concern if BMW had applied concave curve to hide headlight eye brows (white portion) from over exposure for the sake of masking instead from the design perspective as it was shown in the original design artwork. The neutral straight bonnet line above headlight works well without much effort to rebalance other flaming surfaces or creases on the hood, and with such design, it will test against time, even as you see some of the classic BMW models as refreshing as they are today.
I'll reserve my analysis until I see M-sport pack again.

 

[rollo]

So much better than the E60, love these rims too! RFT's with 19" might be a touch firm.

 

[Deleted member 25]

You plan to buy one rurella ?

 

[rollo]

You plan to buy one rurella ?

I have a year and a half left on my e60 lease, F10 550i xDrive with a manual is definitely on top of the list at the moment. I will also be looking at some other cars this time around though, for some reason, I also fancy the new e class, and in particular the amg version if I can convince myself that I don't need AWD. And if that's a yes, the M5 is in play of course. The Panamera is intriguing, but just too expensive to rationalize with three kids to put through college.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Surprised to hear that you have an E60, i thought you didn't like the design ?