GLE [Official] 2012 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG

[Centurion]

Finally Mercedes are back to their days of gorgeous and no-fuss AMG design like the E55 and SL55 AMG. Most recent models with the exception of the CLS63 and C63 Coupe, have been an excessive in adding as many fins and lines possible. The words about bringing back Sport were off course hyperbole. There is nothing on the spec sheet that give any promise about this car challenging the Cayenne Turbo, let alone dent the reputation of the X5-M/X6-M. Criticism aside the car looks marvellous, better than the Optimus Prime predecessor.

 

[Merc1]

It's a lot of money, that's what it is. For that money you will soon have ceramic brakes on the M5. And it's clearly not the same because the BMW comes standard with 555 hp and that's the only version as you're well aware of. Drivers pack are some options unrelated to the engine/output. MB has these packs too next to an engine update that should have been standard.

It raises the top speed doesn't it? Why not have it standard? Same thing, different reasons. It is something that should be standard. Same difference.


M

 

[Sunny]

^I guess the difference is that you need the AMG powerpack to have same power as what is standard on M5. While M5 doesn't need the optional driver's pack to have the same top speed as the AMG (I am guessing AMG cars are also limited to 155mph as standard).

 

[klier]

Hush! We can only be critical of BMW, remember.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Be careful because BMW might end up doing performance packages for M soon and you may end up with egg on your face.

 

[Zafiro]

Be careful because BMW might end up doing performance packages for M soon and you may end up with egg on your face.

I say bring it on

 

[Merc1]

^I guess the difference is that you need the AMG powerpack to have same power as what is standard on M5. While M5 doesn't need the optional driver's pack to have the same top speed as the AMG (I am guessing AMG cars are also limited to 155mph as standard).

You still paying for something that should be standard, using Klier's theory. These cars shouldn't have any extra performance options is what he is saying. AMGs and Ms are both limited to 155, both have the option of raising it to whatever, which is my point.


M

 

[Sunny]

Be careful because BMW might end up doing performance packages for M soon and you may end up with egg on your face.

The distinction I am making is not if M offers performance packages or not. But if it needs that option to be competitive with the competition or not.

These cars shouldn't have any extra performance options is what he is saying.
M

If that is the point he is making, yes, you are right.

 

[klier]

The distinction I am making is not if M offers performance packages or not. But if it needs that option to be competitive with the competition or not.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Marcus, BMW doesn't need a power pack for the M5, as it is powerful enough standard. A power upgrade for the M5 would only be an added bonus, not something needed to stay competitive.
Cars like the ML/Panny apparently do need a power pack to stay competitive. What will the competition do when BMW comes with one for the M5? Panny Turbo S Plus?

I'm not saying a power upgrade shouldn't exist, I am perfectly fine with them. Lot's of brands do this all the time. I am just saying that in this particular case here, 550 hp should have been standard on the ML 63, and a power package should have been added to the 550 hp number.

 

[Merc1]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Marcus, BMW doesn't need a power pack for the M5, as it is powerful enough standard. A power upgrade for the M5 would only be an added bonus, not something needed to stay competitive.
Cars like the ML/Panny apparently do need a power pack to stay competitive. What will the competition do when BMW comes with one for the M5? Panny Turbo S Plus?

I'm not saying a power upgrade shouldn't exist, I am perfectly fine with them. Lot's of brands do this all the time. I am just saying that in this particular case here, 550 hp should have been standard on the ML 63, and a power package should have been added to the 550 hp number.

All your opinion, which is fine. There is no international standard or understanding that says any of this, so this is solely your belief. Many don't think a M5 should be turbocharged and come with an automatic, but so what. Secondly you don't know how the ML63 performs yet so you don't know how competitive or uncompetitive it is yet.

I don't believe you should pay extra to get the higher top speed for an M5. Now what? All matterless, much ado about nothing IMO.


M

 

[Zafiro]

All your opinion, which is fine. There is no international standard or understanding that says any of this, so this is solely your belief. Many don't think a M5 should be turbocharged and come with an automatic, but so what. Secondly you don't know how the ML63 performs yet so you don't know how competitive or uncompetitive it is yet.




M

error error alert
Previous M5 had the same type of gearbox as the new M5, only now its more refined.

PS M drivers package include raised topspeedlimit (305 km/) and a training day on the Nürnburgring).

 

[Merc1]

error error alert
Previous M5 had the same type of gearbox as the new M5, only now its more refined.

PS M drivers package include raised topspeedlimit (305 km/) and a training day on the Nürnburgring).

Error alert is right, and you made it. It didn't have the same type of gearbox as before. Previous gearbox was a herk-jerk single-clutch affair and the U.S. also had a manual option. New M5 has a dual-clutch gearbox, much more like a regular automatic than the previous SMG gearbox and nothing like the previous manual we had.


AMG has driving programs too for new owners, so again whats your point?


M

 

[Zafiro]

Error alert is right, and you made it. It didn't have the same type of gearbox as before. Previous gearbox was a herk-jerk single-clutch affair and the U.S. also had a manual option. New M5 has a dual-clutch gearbox, much more like a regular automatic than the previous SMG gearbox and nothing like the previous manual we had.


AMG has driving programs too for new owners, so again whats your point?




M

Stop being so defensive Marcus and try to understand what I wrote. I only told you whats included in the package, nothing more. Not proving a point at all.

Are you telling me that SMG sequentiel gearbox isnt using the same principle as DKG gearbox. God, christ, help me lord, does this mean M3 is also using automatic gearbox. I totally missed it.

 

[Merc1]

Stop being so defensive Marcus and try to understand what I wrote. I only told you whats included in the package, nothing more. Not proving a point at all.

Are you telling me that SMG sequentiel gearbox isnt using the same principle as DKG gearbox. God, christ, help me lord, does this mean M3 is also using automatic gearbox. I totally missed it.

Not being defensive, I just see a upcoming run on the BMW rhetoric here about what they do and what they don't do and how superior they are. Need to snuff that BS.

Same principle between single and dual clutch gearbox, yes compared to a conventional automatic, but in the real world their respective functions are a night and day difference for people who don't drive on a racetrack on their way to work. Try reading what I wrote, I said we had a manual here and the previous M5 wasn't turbocharged either. Now spin that.


M

 

[Zafiro]

Not being defensive, I just see a run on the BMW rhetoric here about what they do and what they don't do and how superior they are. Need to snuff that BS also.

I was only enlighting people whats included in the driver package and explaining it with facts. Please dont twist it and drag me into something else.

Same principle between single and dual clutch gearbox, maybe compared to a conventional automatic. Try reading what I wrote, I said we had a manual here and the previous M5 wasn't turbocharged either. Now spin that.


M

Im not arguing against you about BMW being turbocharged however, the gearbox in the new M5 and old M5 is pretty much the same base idea. And I despise they idea with manual gearbox in car that weight 2000 kg. I hate you americans forcing BMW to offer it

 

[Merc1]

Im not arguing against you about BMW being turbocharged however, the gearbox in the new M5 and old M5 is pretty much the same base idea. And I despise they idea with manual gearbox in car that weight 2000 kg. I hate you americans forcing BMW to offer it

Same idea, again whats the point? Neither of them are a manual like the "purists" want. The point still stands that neither of them are a manual.


M

 

[Zafiro]

Same idea, again whats the point? Neither of them are a manual like the "purists" want. The point still stands that neither of them are a manual.


M

I'm not arguing against you. But thank Godness 1M and M3 is still available with manual gearbox. Apparently, once again a manual gearbox will be option for the M5 in US. Lets hope it stays there.

 

[klier]

All matterless, much ado about nothing IMO.

M

Well, I killed some spare time
But it's nitpicking about nothing yes, just like what happens on the BMW forums the whole time

And stop making this a BMW vs MB argument please, that wasn't my intention at all. I just would have found it more appropriate to have 550 hp standard and a power pack with 580 hp or something. I haven't said a single bad word about the ML63, nor is it my intention to do so.

Secondly you don't know how the ML63 performs yet so you don't know how competitive or uncompetitive it is yet.

True.
But 518 hp seems to be on the low side compared to the 555 hp of the X5 M and 550 hp of the Cayenne Turbo S...
Are there any weight figures for ML63 yet? The X5 M is one of the heaviest pigs to have ever come out of Germany (2380 kg), maybe the ML is lighter????

Edit; sorry, there is not even a Turbo S version of the new Cayenne. The ML63 now falls nicely in between the X5 M and Cayenne Turbo. That puts it in a slightly different light.

 

[Nicks]

I am just saying that in this particular case here, 550 hp should have been standard on the ML 63, and a power package should have been added to the 550 hp number.

So that you would be able to complain about AMG only "raising hp war"?

 

[SKY]

Let´s talk about this car guys, please. I think it looks far less impressive than the previous ML63 when it was introduced. The rear bumper is incredibly overstyled, and the front is just graceless, the interior, while featuring an amazing fit&finish has nothing that makes you think "Wow, this is something else". Oh, and it´s pretty sad to see MB happy with a car that is just TWO bhp more powerful than the benchmark, which is the X5M/X6M. Doesn´t they want to have good advantage? What will they do when the new X5M debuts?.

I see no ambition is MB latest moves, nothing that make them more desiable than their rivals. Nor their design, nor their engines, nor their performance variants.