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Re: Next generation Audi A6.

Yeah, Audi really needs to make something different with their designs. I mean almost all Audis look too much same, they pull the direction of the lights a little bit diffferent, make a new styled bumper and that's it - there you go a new A XXX or Q XXX - lame. They did revolutionized the whole car market with their singleframe idea but IMHO they are running out of ideas.


They formed their new design language and are applying it to all their models. That is a good thing to me. I don't understand why you called it "running out of ideas". :confused:
 
Re: Next generation Audi A6.

Yeah, Audi really needs to make something different with their designs. I mean almost all Audis look too much same, they pull the direction of the lights a little bit diffferent, make a new styled bumper and that's it - there you go a new A XXX or Q XXX - lame. They did revolutionized the whole car market with their singleframe idea but IMHO they are running out of ideas. They already did pull out all they could out of this concept so it's time to move on and not rest on their found glory.

What happens with their designs is that they come out of fashion if you like too fast - when they release a new model, the previous one looks like it was built 15 years ago, not 7 or 8.


I agree.

Audi design could be more creative. Eg. they could do single frame grille in different sizes / proportions, eg. do different headlight & rearlight cluster designs - with leaving eg. the curvy DRL LED strip as a trademark, and eg. four LED rings / squares as position rear light. They could define & choose some design trademarks and use them across the line, while diversifying the other design elements simultaneously. Eg. like BMW, MB or Lexus do.

I'm not calling for more daring & wild design (ala BMW - although it would be very fine with me if Audi did that), but for more diverse (yet still typical simple & elegant Audi) design between separate models.

Right now all Audies look way too similar.




Attack of the clones. :D;)

But I guess that's fine with most of Audi customers. :t-hands:
Yet I can't imagine having eg. 2 or 3 Audies in a home garage - all looking almost the same. :eusa_thin
 
Re: Next generation Audi A6.

^^ To add to the above comment - Audi design exists in a detail-dependent space that derives its appeal from minute and incremental styling deviations. I'd liken it to what Apple does with its product range.

While this "details as fashion" mentality works great for Apple, which has product cycle through every 18 or so months, it doesn't work wonders for a car brand, whose products must retain our attention for roughly 8 years.

I still think Audis are gorgeous cars though, and with every automotive brand under the sun gunning for the title of "most distinctive" I'd feel rather tepid about Audi going bonkers a la BMW in the early '00s. I just feel like there's there's a pebble in Audi's exterior design shoe that they'd do well to rid themselves of.
 
Re: Next generation Audi A6.

^^ To add to the above comment - Audi design exists in a detail-dependent space that derives its appeal from minute and incremental styling deviations. I'd liken it to what Apple does with its product range.

While this "details as fashion" mentality works great for Apple, which has product cycle through every 18 or so months, it doesn't work wonders for a car brand, whose products must retain our attention for roughly 8 years.

I still think Audis are gorgeous cars though, and with every automotive brand under the sun gunning for the title of "most distinctive" I'd feel rather tepid about Audi going bonkers a la BMW in the early '00s. I just feel like there's there's a pebble in Audi's exterior design shoe that they'd do well to rid themselves of.

It sounds well thought out, but it seems as if Audi's design age's slower then it's rivals. Take the RS4 for instance, it's about to be replaced but it still looks more inspiring to most media outlets then the E92 M3. I'm not saying I'm right and your wrong, I believe the problem isn't Audi's design aging badly or model simularites, but more so a design that a few of you simply don't care for, from a brand you probably aren't to fond of!:usa7uh:
 
Re: Next generation Audi A6.

Sooner or later Audi will hit the same wall MB & BMW hit in the not so distant past. Eg. in some specific era MB & BMW design teams managed to produce likable & classic design - and since it worked it was applied across whole core model range, with only slight modifications & evolutionary touch. But the aftermath was a fleet of clones.

Audi has the same problem today. Yet nobody is complaining about it. But that can happen over night: like it did in MB & BMW case. And I'm sure it will soon in Infiniti case.

Yes, I'm aware Audi detail trademarks are simplicity, purity, and gorgeous details. No need to change that - if that's a design philosophy behind the brand. And like I said: many people adore such design. But more flexibility would be nice. Constant evolution of same theme leads to the dead end - where the theme is completely worn out, and designers run out of maneuvering space.

I call for more diversity within Audi model portfolio. I'm sure Audi design team is able to do that: keeping the simple & pure design, using some unifying design elements (eg. trapezoid single frame grille, specific roof line / C-pillar design etc), yet diversifying the design of individual model lines. I hope future will bring that. And I really hope A5 rearlights & Cross Coupe headlights won't be applied to the whole model line. Yet A3 cabrio spy shots are not a good sign - showing A5-like rearlight design. :eusa_thin
 
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Another image from photochopper extraordinaire Andrei Avarvarii: the next Audi A6. Ingolstadt's due to release the mid-size model around the end of the decade. The new car continues the usual A6 features like six side windows and relatively short deck, along with Audi's now trademark gaping maw grille. The new A6 will be a bit more angular than the current model, incorporating styling cues from the new A4 and A5 models, with a touch of R8 in the headlights. In Europe, a range of diesel and petrol engines will motorvate the Audi. There's no official word on which powerplants Audi will offer its American clientele. Expect to see similar but sleeker styling on the soon-to-follow A7 "four-door coupe."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/news-blog/the-next-audi-a6/
 
What the current A6 misses out on, is the front. So I hope they will give the C7 a more agressive one.
 

2011 Audi A6: Via Artist's Eyes
Walter da Silva’s continuous march toward design legend seems currently unstoppable. Our artist renderings show the next A6 to be more butch in its delivery, yet still friendly at the same time. As these pictures show, the larger front grille is likely to mirror that of the concept Q7 V12 TDI which exhibits sharp air ducts, while the sides have kinks reminiscent of recent Bangleism.

The A6 is perhaps no longer the design icon of Audi sedans it once was, relying now on other models to redefine itself. A lot of A5 is evident also, as well as new A4 cues. Audi is working on making the A6 much more dynamic as a driver’s car, something that current and previous generations have sorely lacked. To that end a number of gismos will be put to use, including a multi-link rear suspension.

Interior will raise comfort levels by employing such devices as touch-screen LCD to be used with a revised version of Audi’s MMI. The new A6 will be bigger than its current form and will feature a wheelbase that measures around 3 metres and a total length of over 5 metres.

Engines are where a lot of interest could be generated. Volkswagen/ Audi family engines will do duty, including V6, V8, V10 and V12 versions. But the spark, so to speak, could be ignited by Audi’s obsession with diesel, via a rumoured, very powerful but small diesel motor. Sources indicate the motor may be twin charged, using both a turbo and a supercharger to make at least 150kW/ 201 bhp, with over 400Nm of torque on tap.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080129.005/2011-audi-a6-via-artists-eyes
 
i hardly think the new A6 will break the 5 meters barrier unless the A8 break the 5.3 barrier, and the huckfeldt frontal design is interesting, but i concur, Audi is in high need of a redefinition of its design approach
the sausage approach can only lead so far, audi has succesfully established itself as a recognizeable brand, it needs to start thinking outside the box now, an A3 cannot look like an A6,muhc less an A8
 
Interior will raise comfort levels by employing such devices as touch-screen LCD to be used with a revised version of Audi’s MMI.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080129.005/2011-audi-a6-via-artists-eyes

it's interesting to see that they are going to use touch-screen lcd this time.
now an interface combined with knob and touch screen sounds like a good idea; with the knob controlling most of the function and touch screen on functions require more specific control such as navigating the map.

btw that cg looks good.
 
Preview: 2010 Audi A6 Avant
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The next couple of years will see the release of three crucial models in the premium segment with BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi all expected to release new versions of their volume mid-level sedans. Audi will be the last to launch its revitalised model, with its next-gen Audi A6 set to arrive a year after the
new BMW 5-series and Mercedes E-Class.

The A6 will once again be released inboth sedan and ‘Avant’ wagon bodystyles and as this latest rendering shows the new model will feature the same fluid lines as the new A5 and A4 models and will sport intricate LED headlights like those on the A3 Cabrio.
Under the new sheet metal will be an extended version of the modular platform used in the A4 but expect to see more exotic materials such as aluminum and magnesium employed to help save weight and improve dynamics. The engine lineup will likely mirror the A4 range but expect to see some new additions including a 300hp twin-turbo diesel V6 as well as a new TFSI V8 with around 430hp. The base model will remain FWD but AWD variants will feature the latest quattro torque vectoring systems, which distribute drive individually between each axle and between the rear wheels for improved traction and stability.
A concept version of the car is tipped to be unveiled next year before the production version debuts in early 2010.
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After looking through the past 4 pages of varying opinions and varying chops showcasing a much more aggressive A6 (ala new A4), I can't help but view this from a marketing standpoint and wonder if an aggressive design is what the A6 needs.

We know in the 3er/C/A4 class of vehicles, both Audi and Mercedes have moved towards providing a more dynamic driving experience, and have also incorporated rather aggressive design elements in their new A4 and C-class respectively in a bid to portray a more youthful, sporty and fun image to attract younger buyers and to also try and negate the advantage the 3 series has in being seen as a dynamic, sporty and fun-to-drive car (along with its sporty appearance). Now I believe such a move to a more youthful and aggressive image for the C-class and A4 is needed to combat the top-selling 3 series because it's only natural to try and offer the same mix of ingredients as the market-leader to try and erode that leader's dominance... but this example applies specifically for the youthful and sporty market the 3er, A4 and C-class are focusing on.

When it comes to the A6, E-class and 5er, in my opinion it seems that buyers are less focused on which of these cars is the more sportier, more aggressive in appearance and possess the most youthful image. To me they are more focused on owning a vehicle which blends some of the sportiness of the smaller models (3er, A4, C-class) while incorporating a greater proportion of imagery related to class, luxury and status that comes from each manufacturers top-end models (7er, A8, S-class). So in essence, the middle models - the 5er, E-class and A6 - possess a blend of sportiness and elegance. With these wave of next-generation A6 chops, it seems as though Audi is moving to an image of out-right aggression and sportiness with their car lacking any sense of balance between sportiness and luxury.
To me the new A4 with its ultra-aggressive appearance portrays a sense of desperation on Audi's part to take the fight to te 3er. It's as if they're trying to say 'if you think the 3 series is sporty and dynamic, then have a look at our A4!'. It's as if they've asked the guys who design their S and RS models to design the normal A4. Just imagine if the design elements of the M3 or C63 were included in the design of a normal 3er or C-class... it would look too desperate and in the case of the new A4 it seems like a quick-and cheap-fix strategy to close the gap to the 3er's clear-cut and highly popular image.

So it would be a crying shame of Audi were to do the same with the new A6. We all know that the new 5er will be more aggressive, more dynamic and more sporty than the current 5er, but that's completely normal since BMW has built their brand image around sportiness first and luxury second (though this has caused some issues in the US market).... but if Audi were to undertake the strategy of making the A6's visual appearance exude connotations associated with total aggression and total sportiness, then I believe it would dilute Audi's philosophy of understated luxury.
Seems like they're moving in the exact same direction that BMW did when they brought into Chris Bangle. Out with the old understated luxury approach, and in with a more dynamic look. Big difference is that although Bangle and his team have created more daring, sporty and dynamic looking vehicles, they have remained restrained from designing all-out aggressive cars. They have managed to maintain BMW's classy and luxury image, while still producing eye-catching and emotive designs.

So after all that.. my question is:
Do you think it's wise for Audi to pursue a design strategy where the A6 becomes a car that is all-out aggressive in its appearance, with design elements such as:
- highly-flared wheel arches
- aggressive wheel design (the standard A4 has wheels which are very similar to the RS4.. you wouldn't expect this on a standard model unless you opted for an optional Sports Package)
- sporty grille-design with S and RS style cross-hass design
- very wide and open air-intakes with that 'pushing out from under the skin' look that you see on S and RS models (though featured on the standard A4)
- very deep low-slung body crease that runs from the front wheel to the rear of the car (ala new A4 and A5)
- aggressive rear diffusor design with extra emphasis on twin-exhaust tips
- use of LED's in the headlights to create a distinctive 'glaring at you with aggression' look at night that the A5 and R8 have

Do they risk diluting their understated-luxury design image, and in the process upset those customers and Audi enthusiasts who very much love this design philosophy?
When BMW went dynamic with the E60 5er, many old-school BMW fans complained and I'm sure many potential 5er customers jumped-ship to the new A6 which provided that understated-luxury imagery that turned the E39 5er into a classic and widely-loved car. Of course we now know that the E60 5er has still been a sales success, but what it did was give-up the market of buyers who prefer simple, elegant, understated and non-flashy designed vehicles.
If the A6 goes down the road of the new A4 and incorporates S and RS-like design elements, will it be too risky a strategy to try and take-on BMW's and the 5er's image, while at the same time leaving the understated-luxury market of buyers to only the E-class ??

If all these chops are of the new S6 or RS6 then I completely understand, but that's what I thought when chops of the new A4 were floating around until the car was revealed and left me suprised that the standard A4 had received such aggressive styling.
 

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Audi AG is a German automotive manufacturer of luxury vehicles headquartered in Ingolstadt, Bavaria, Germany. A subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group, the company’s origins date back to the early 20th century and the initial enterprises (Horch and the Audiwerke) founded by engineer August Horch (1868–1951). Two other manufacturers (DKW and Wanderer) also contributed to the foundation of Auto Union in 1932. The modern Audi era began in the 1960s, when Volkswagen acquired Auto Union from Daimler-Benz, and merged it with NSU Motorenwerke in 1969.
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