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[Uygar]

I was led to believe that more powerful EVs also carry more range.

Isn't it the opposite? Usually the less powerful models have the longer range. Or maybe it has to do with the batteries and how much they weigh, I don't really know.
For example the electric M models have less range than the regular ones (like iX 60 - M70, i4 40- M50)
It was the same with electric AMG's as well.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

This thread is just getting filled with the same BMW fan boys repeating the same thing over and over again about the GLC.

I think the the iX3 and the GLC EV represent a fantastic divergence of the two brands, and they are both putting their best feet forward. Its once again becoming an exciting time to be a fan of these brands.

I personally love the look of the GLC and I'm glad it looks a lot more like Mercedes traditional ICE offerings in its shape and sheetmetal. The bold grill is certainly an indication of a lot more daring designs to come, but keeping the same fluidity and cleaness that is sensual purity.

Im glad Mercedes isn't abandoning what is fundamentally a very strong design idiom that was just poorly implemented on the EVs. Its delivered two generations of stunning ICE cars, and this GLC EV shows there's more left in it.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I was led to believe that more powerful EVs also carry more range.

No, it just so happens that the more powerful variants also have bigger batteries. A kind of placebo effect.
More power means more battery drain.

Ultimately, the iX3 and GLC based on WLTP seem to have similar efficiency. But the bigger battery for the iX3 means it will go further. Real world comparisons will give us a better idea of how big the gap is, but 441 miles is 15% less than 500m miles, and 94kW is 15% smaller than 108kW.

 

[Antti]

Not entirely sure what area you're referring to, but is it the license plate area perhaps?

Yes the area underneath the licence plate and on either side of the licence plate. The frame is bigger than the grille, so to speak.

I’ve tried to catch some close-ups of that section in YouTube videos and it looks like it could scoop up lots of snow in the winter too. I don’t get that design choice

 

[McLaren64TR]

Am I the only one who is bothered by how the grille seems to be missing the bottom-most section? It looks unfinished. The frame is there but it looks like you could put your hand through the bottom section that is partially covered by the number plate. Why didn’t they fill it up like the rest of the grille? Or alternatively make the frame slightly smaller. Hopefully it’ll make more sense in person.

I think you're talking about the battery cooling grid.

 

[jphcbpa]

Gentlemans

Is it true that the GLC is faster than the iX3. 4.9Sec compared to 4.3Sec.

I am a little bit surprised TBH.

BMW will offer an m60 trim with probably 600 hp

 

[Uygar]

No, it just so happens that the more powerful variants also have bigger batteries. A kind of placebo effect.
More power means more battery drain.

Ultimately, the iX3 and GLC based on WLTP seem to have similar efficiency. But the bigger battery for the iX3 means it will go further. Real world comparisons will give us a better idea of how big the gap is, but 441 miles is 15% less than 500m miles, and 94kW is 15% smaller than 108kW.

I'm a bit confused. For example, the iX 60 and the iX M70 uses the same battery, but the more powerful M70 offers less range than the 60 variant. How does that work? What's causing the range loss in more powerful variants? This is the same across 3 Germans. Electric AMG's, Electric S models etc.

 

[Swissbob]

Less efficiency of the bigger motors.

 

[Uygar]

BMW will offer an m60 trim with probably 600 hp

There are already spy shots of it actually. It gets the classic M setup too where the front and rear wheels are different sizes.

 

[klier]

Have MB presented the top (non AMG if that even comes) version already?

 

[Swissbob]

AMG will come.

I guess the 400 is the top non AMG.

 

[Uygar]

Have MB presented the top (non AMG if that even comes) version already?

I think this is the top one. They will probably show less powerful, cheaper versions as well, alongside the AMG version. I remember seeing the spy shots of it.

 

[Antti]

I think you're talking about the battery cooling grid.

I mean the circled area. It seems to house a parking sensors but it looks like there is a chunk of grille missing there.

 

[Swissbob]

I expect even a LFP with less power.

Most probably a 250 or 300 and 350.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I'm a bit confused. For example, the iX 60 and the iX M70 uses the same battery, but the more powerful M70 offers less range than the 60 variant. How does that work? What's causing the range loss in more powerful variants? This is the same across 3 Germans. Electric AMG's, Electric S models etc.

When you think about the power in kW and compare that to the battery's capacity in kWh it should become a bit more obvious.

Something with 300kW motors will consume more electricity than something with 200kW motors. If the battery is the same capacity, say 100kWh, then if you go full bore flat out you'll drain the battery in 20 minutes in the 300kW car, but you'll drain it in 30 minutes in the 200kW car.
We all know speed = distance/time. So multiply speed by time, and you'll get the distance.

This is all very simplistic, obviously, but in principle that's the physics of how range works.

Its no different to a more powerful ICE car draining a fuel tank faster than a less powerful one.

Also remember, power = torque x rpm x mathematical constant. This applies to EVs too. More powerful motors will have more torque, so they'll produce more power throughout the rev range of the motor, which means even at lower throttle inputs, its still draining more power from the battery than a less powerful motor would at that same throttle input. It would just be accelerating faster.

 

[McLaren64TR]

I mean the circled area. It seems to house a parking sensors but it looks like there is a chunk of grille missing there.

Okay, I get it now. Yes, that sensor compromised the overall integrity of the design. They could have hidden it there and installed this sensor.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I think this is the top one. They will probably show less powerful, cheaper versions as well, alongside the AMG version. I remember seeing the spy shots of it.

I can't imagine needing more than 483hp/360kW in a non-AMG version tbh. Its comfortably more than enough power. Comfortably. I'm sure a GLC 53 EQ will appear with 600+ as one might expect.

 

[Uygar]

When you think about the power in kW and compare that to the battery's capacity in kWh it should become a bit more obvious.

Something with 300kW motors will consume more electricity than something with 200kW motors. If the battery is the same capacity, say 100kWh, then if you go full bore flat out you'll drain the battery in 20 minutes in the 300kW car, but you'll drain it in 30 minutes in the 200kW car.
We all know speed = distance/time. So multiply speed by time, and you'll get the distance.

This is all very simplistic, obviously, but in principle that's the physics of how range works.

Its no different to a more powerful ICE car draining a fuel tank faster than a less powerful one.

Also remember, power = torque x rpm x mathematical constant. This applies to EVs too. More powerful motors will have more torque, so they'll produce more power throughout the rev range of the motor, which means even at lower throttle inputs, its still draining more power from the battery than a less powerful motor would at that same throttle input. It would just be accelerating faster.

Thanks for explaining mate

 

[Uygar]

I can't imagine needing more than 483hp/360kW in a non-AMG version tbh. Its comfortably more than enough power. Comfortably. I'm sure a GLC 53 EQ will appear with 600+ as one might expect.

I think cars, especially EV’s are getting ridiculously overpowered. Everything has over 1000HP nowadays. Like, how much of that power can you even use on a daily basis?

 

[advantage20]

Gentlemans

Is it true that the GLC is faster than the iX3. 4.9Sec compared to 4.3Sec.

I am a little bit surprised TBH.

Hasn't BMW proven to be a notorious bul$hitter over and over again when it comes to official acceleration figures? (E.g. the i4 M50 does the 0-60mph in 3.3s instead of the claimed 3.7s). The iX3 should get that figure down to 4.5s.