iPhone 5 2012

[Centurion]

A major potential hint at the supposed delay of the iphone 5 is also the adoption of cloud computing and the uniformization of both iOS and Mac OS. This could potentially turn the smartphone standards on its head, given that one would no longer need nominally higher storage capacities since all will reside in the cloud.

Three words: Expensive data plans.

 

[klier]

I find this rather unnecessary. I see no need to buy every version of iPad, and someone ridiculing me for not dumping my original iPad, and rather wait for the three is pretty immature in my book.

Sorry, I didn't realize you already have iPad 1. It makes much more sense now.

 

[Pagani]

Yes, they will be expensive. However, there is an impenetrable price ceiling when it comes to these things, beyond which any offering will be rebuked by the masses. I doubt, for example, such data plans will exceed the monthly price of a high speed broadband for the home.

 

[bmwownage]

The iphone4 is still selling so well, and honestly there is not any other phones that look as good. Even if there wont' be a 5 this year, i was hoping for some kind of improvement, like 3G -> 3GS..

 

[Centurion]

The iphone4 is still selling so well, and honestly there is not any other phones that look as good. Even if there wont' be a 5 this year, i was hoping for some kind of improvement, like 3G -> 3GS..

That's what we'll see. Although the iPhone 4 is a good phone, it's CPU architecture is outdated, it's single core vs the A5 processor in the iPad 2 which is dual core and designed from the ground up for multi-tasking.Given that the event on the June 6th will be all about software, we can expect to finally see notification areas, much improved multi-tasking features that would necessitate more power. This video below is the reason why I'm not shelling out any cash for an iPhone 4 at this every moment.

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[Michael]

Here is another interesting update:

"With rumors of Apple planning for a later-than-usual iPhone release this year, some have hoped that Apple might use the extra time to build in support for the latest 4G LTE networks beginning to go live with many carriers. On Apple's earnings conference call earlier this week, Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook reiterated earlier comments that the current generation of LTE chips forced design compromises that the company has been unwilling to make.

But as noted by Forbes after the call, that situation won't be resolved in time for Apple to bring LTE to the fifth-generation iPhone, pushing the compatibility off until the sixth-generation model in 2012. In particular, the chips Apple needs for an LTE-compatible iPhone simply aren't in production yet.
Those chips won't appear in handsets until next year, says Will Strauss, president of wireless chip tracker Forward Concepts. "They're right that there’s nothing out there that fits the bill, and likely nothing will until the fourth quarter of this year," Strauss says when asked about Cook's remarks.

The report notes that Verizon's current 4G handset offering, the HTC Thunderbolt, relies on two chips for connectivity, a Samsung one for 4G and a Qualcomm one for 3G. Hybrid chips offering both 4G and fallback 3G compatibility won't become available until late this year and thus won't make it into handsets until early 2012.

The Cell Phone Junkie reports (via TiPb) that Apple is likely to use Qualcomm's recently-announced MDM9615 wireless chip to provide that hybrid functionality. Qualcomm notes"


Source: No Apple-Suitable 4G LTE Chips Until Early 2012? - Mac Rumors


I think this highlights a few points:

Apple will not compromise on thinness, so making a phone that has LTE but needs to have another chip in order to have 3G, is not meeting their standards.

They need this hybrid chip to maintain thinness.

The reason why they are pushing back the delivery of the iPhone, if true, is more than likely related to the iOS system, which may correspond to their cloud based itunes? Who knows.


I still think it is possible that Apple is working closely with Qualcomm for this hybrid chip and it may be possible introduce the iPhone 5 with it in late 2011 and just have it ship in early 2012. This is all speculation of course.

 

[Top Secret]

Gee, I really hope it's not introduced too much later than September. My 3G may not last that long.

 

[jack]

in my opinion it would be really intelligent from apple to hold back the next gen iphone. they are still out performing the competition
i expect them to release an iphone nano, thats where the money is

 

[HighestOfHigh]

It's coming out in September. All is well in the world of Apple. I will try the post the article I saw between tomorrow and Monday.

 

[Pagani]

iPhone 5 is coming out in September, but it is not going to be much more than what a 3Gs was to the 3G. Meaning, it may finally sport double the memory capacity, faster A5 processors, and potentially a metal back to improve reception, along with a better 8MP camera.

The 4G, NFC, and Cloud Computing may be left for the iPhone 6 in 2012, which should have also redesigned hardware.

 

[Michael]

It's coming out in September. All is well in the world of Apple. I will try the post the article I saw between tomorrow and Monday.

The article is not saying that the iPhone 5 will not come out in 2011. It more than likely, based on the rumors and articles already circulating the forums and news agencies, be released in September.

This has to do with attempting to prove that the iPhone 5 (Sept. release) will not have LTE, since Apple is interested and concentrating on a hybrid chip that will take up minimal space. This would continue to allow them to make phones that are thin.

Again, these are all rumors. The same articles I have posted and read, which both of you are alluding to, may be wrong. We may see an iPhone update/refresh in June/July or we may see it in Sept. or maybe even in 2012. No one really knows until it happens.

However, I cannot stress that the reason why people are in agreement that the iPhone 5 is going to be released in September is because of LTE implementation. This article, the one I posted above, seems to indicate that that will not be the case. Leaving one to conclude that the delay in releasing the new version of the phone is related more to iOS or something else.

iPhone 5 is coming out in September, but it is not going to be much more than what a 3Gs was to the 3G. Meaning, it may finally sport double the memory capacity, faster A5 processors, and potentially a metal back to improve reception, along with a better 8MP camera.

The 4G, NFC, and Cloud Computing may be left for the iPhone 6 in 2012, which should have also redesigned hardware.

I agree. I think this is what is happening. The iPhone 6 is the one that more than likely will have the LTE chip. I think the Sept. iphone will just be another 3Gs type of phone.

 

[Wolfgang]

iphone 5 update

Apple to Provide Adapter for Smaller iPhone 5 Dock Connector

With Reuters becoming the latest publication to report that the next iPhone will include a smaller dock connector, many are continuing to wonder what will happen with legacy accessories that take advantage of the current 30-pin dock connector that has been in use since 2003.

Casings for iPhone 4S (left) and claimed next-generation iPhone 5 (right) showing significant reduction in dock connector size

iMore, which was first to report on the smaller dock connector back in February, has now confirmed with its sources that Apple will indeed be offering an adapter to provide backwards compatibility with accessories designed for the 30-pin connector.

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/23/apple-to-provide-adapter-for-smaller-iphone-dock-connector/

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[Yaz]

I had thought about switching back to an iPhone when it comes out, but the way Apple is acting towards Android/Google/Samsung, I'm turned off and will stick with them.

 

[Sayyaaf]

I had thought about switching back to an iPhone when it comes out, but the way Apple is acting towards Android/Google/Samsung, I'm turned off and will stick with them.

its pretty common to carry both where I live. Average of phones per users is 2.6 !

 

[K-A]

I had thought about switching back to an iPhone when it comes out, but the way Apple is acting towards Android/Google/Samsung, I'm turned off and will stick with them.

Because they're protecting their patents from these blatant thieves and copycats? It should be the other way around, i.e people refusing to buy those who knockoff their ideas then don't even want to pay them royalties. Google has proved to be the most immoral company out there, being sued by about every major company for either ripping them off or by govts for privacy violations. Samsung is like the new Kia K9 to Apple's BMW 7-Series (same dynamic). Eric Schmidt (Google's ex CEO) sits on Apple's board, hears their top secret ideas, then all of a sudden "quits", and months later, Android is revealed? That's straight up thievery.

C'mon my good friend! Get on the good side here!

I read something today that gauged interest on iPhone 5, and apparently it's blowing all previous iPhones out of the water in terms of how many people are waiting to buy it. Steve Jobs was working on it up until his dying day apparently, and I hope the product has that "oomph" factor we need it to, after the 4 has had such a strong run for an unprecedented 2 whole years. It's hard for them to keep impressing to such high degrees when other companies use them as R&D and then practically throw their own logo's on Apple's ideas (hyperbole for effect, but truth to it), but I think they still can....

 

[K-A]

its pretty common to carry both where I live. Average of phones per users is 2.6 !

That's 'cause you guys are ballers, Sayyaaf! We're mere budget constrained Americans.

 

[Centurion]

I had thought about switching back to an iPhone when it comes out, but the way Apple is acting towards Android/Google/Samsung, I'm turned off and will stick with them.

I think you have miss understood what running a business is about. Great business have a competitive advantage and successful business have defensible competitive advantages. In the consumer electronics industry success tend to be short lived because copying is so easy and Apple entered the market with the right attitude: Protect your own ideas with patents.

Just look at what's happened to the PC market, it's totally commoditized and profits are rubbish, specifically because copying is so easy which results in everyone replicating what's successful and then everyone ends up competing on price driving profits to the toilet.

There are no such things as friends in the business and if you don't look after your own ideas then you will perish. Just think of Palm, Kodak, Grundig, Siemens, Compaq, Philips, iRiver and countless used-to-be household names that are now in oblivion.

 

[K-A]

I think you have miss understood what running a business is about. Great business have a competitive advantage and successful business have defensible competitive advantages. In the consumer electronics industry success tend to be short lived because copying is so easy and Apple entered the market with the right attitude: Protect your own ideas with patents.

Just look at what's happened to the PC market, it's totally commoditized and profits are rubbish, specifically because copying is so easy which results in everyone replicating what's successful and then everyone ends up competing on price driving profits to the toilet.

There are no such things as friends in the business and if you don't look after your own ideas then you will perish. Just think of Palm, Kodak, Grundig, Siemens, Compaq, Philips, iRiver and countless used-to-be household names that are now in oblivion.

Well said and very clear take on it. Namely the part about how the gadget-business is so short lived because the copycats squeeze everyone (including themselves) out. Apple knew that if they didn't want to die like every other innovative tech company, they had to go on the offensive-defensive from the get-go, and protect themselves from knockoffs and "thieves". Steve Jobs was just the man for that as he literally vowed to fight until his death. Google's business model is to enter into every avenue after someone else has proved that it's profitable.... Eric Schmidt was on Apple's Board and had all their secrets.... and the rest is history.

I can't fathom how people actually look down on Apple for protecting their creations and patents. It's pretty common sense as to the generalities of how to run a successful business?

 

[Centurion]

Google's business model is to enter into every avenue after someone else has proved that it's profitable.... Eric Schmidt was on Apple's Board and had all their secrets.... and the rest is history.

I can't fathom how people actually look down on Apple for protecting their creations and patents. It's pretty common sense as to the generalities of how to run a successful business?

That section in bold is why what Apple's strategy is important.

 

[K-A]

The issue now is, the general public who doesn't understand how this works, sees "Apple files lawsuit" and paints them as this evil empire. They completely dismiss the fact that Apple is challenging these companies because they feel that they have been stolen from. Most of the public not only don't understand how business truly works and how survival tactics within that work, but they also don't know what it means to your welfare when people take your ideas and exploit it. It becomes bad PR for Apple, but if Apple doesn't do it, they give away their patents and eventually watch what they started, this hugely lucrative new era, be diluted into poo for everyone.

At the end of the day, facts count, and Apple has more patents that they're filing suits over than suits that have ever been filed against them. Not to mention, Google's lawsuits that are waged AGAINST them that come from pretty much every mega company that they've piggybacked off of (thus now directly compete with), are very big, very real, and very telling about Google and their quest to leech off every other big company to the point where they've made everybody their enemy. I can't remember the number, but I read it yesterday.... total lawsuits from ALL companies against Google make up for a STAGGERING dollar amount.

You can't expect Apple to open the floodgates to all these new dimensions, have Google/Samsung and the like waiting in the wings to see if it works.... then pounce.... and not vehemently defend themselves.

If this is "good guy VS villain", you have to look past the headlines of "Apple files suit", and realize who the real villains are in this case. Apple's cases are legit for good/valid reasons.