C-Class (W206) [Hot!] 2022 Mercedes-AMG C63S (W206)


The Mercedes-Benz W206 is the fifth generation of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class. Body styles: W206 (sedan), S206 (wagon/estate), and V206 (long-wheelbase). Production: March 2021– Model years: 2022- Predecessor: W205 C-Class.
For the Mercedes-Benz C-Class (W206), see Mercedes-Benz C-Class (W206) Thread
Thats exactly how business works and the only reason why the mercedes SL still exists.

Mercedes boss said so himself in a lengthy interview.

Its about maintaining status.

I personally dont know what im gonna move on to from my current amg gtr unless mercedes go really aggressive with hotter versions of the GT.

Just feel they have outpriced themselves against more powerful and prestigious competitors. Roma and new vantage.
It isn’t otherwise they would be building both the S Coupe and SL. So they took the car with the higher status and better sales potential. Big coupes ain’t it. You can maintain status but that doesn’t mean they’re going to always invest in a car that doesn’t sell to their liking $$.

M
 
They make money elsewhere. It’s not like they would go into bankruptcy. Overall such cars probably raise profitability but in a way you can’t put in the spreadsheets.

The bigger picture , look at the bigger almost 150 year picture.
You’re only making my point for me my friend, it clearly didn’t make sense on the “spreadsheets”. They’re obviously going for more exclusive models in smaller numbers, one offs here and there to make the money and status vs a series production car like the S coupe that doesn’t sell consistently enough. They’re doing what you’re saying just not with the S Coupe.

M
 
One of the reasons I hate BMW , the sporty car maker , ultimate driving machine factory .. that don’t make a proper sports car let alone a super car, and god forbid a hyper car. Laying all that talent of their superb engineers to waste.
Yes, even us BMW customers would like to see a supercar (what's a sports car these days?) but if it comes to the detriment of normal production models due to things such as budget-shifting, take-from-here-to-give-to-there, reduction of the number of accessible performance models etc. then there's no case for one.

You alluded to it yourself: the rich are spoilt for choice. There's plenty to choose from exotic brands like Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, McLaren. Heck, in the US - a staple market for performance cars in the bracket just below the exotics - you've got compelling and competitive machinery in the form of cars like the C8 Corvette and other American muscle.

Add indirect competition in from performance SUVs and hyper electric cars and the window of opportunity for a BMW supercar narrows further and with it the business case. This really is obvious stuff that even you secretly get but won't acknowledge here.

Instead what we still get - thankfully - from BMW is a range of cars that, even in cooking guise - are well-built and enjoyable to drive for a much larger piece of the market. That BMW makes - and focuses on - cars like the M2, M3 (including the super cool Touring now), M4 and M5 keeps them as the people's champion of relatively affordable performance cars. CS and CSL models only serve to strengthen this position.
They make money elsewhere. It’s not like they would go into bankruptcy. Overall such cars probably raise profitability but in a way you can’t put in the spreadsheets.
I agree, an S-Class coupé is something that would not only garner enough buyers to be profitable (it would be, after all, based on the S-Class) but would do more for Mercedes image, with more of its patrons, than something like an AMG ONE which seems to be a failure in all aspects other than the sheer will to bring it to market.

An S-Class coupé speaks to the core values of Mercedes Benz - that illustrious century and a bit history you mention - of making well-built luxury motor cars far more than does some hypercar that's so complicated it needs two technicians to accompany it to a race track.

And for those saying "yeah typical BMW excuser being defensive for no supercar" let me say this: if I was to go downstairs to drive home in a C-Class instead of a 3er, I can tell you without any doubt: there being an AMG ONE has no bearing whatsoever on making that C-Class a better car.
 
This is an interesting discussion with solid points guys, however, it is off-topic and should be started in the off-topic area.
 
This is an interesting discussion with solid points guys, however, it is off-topic and should be started in the off-topic area.
I think you're right but given how the discussion progressed around missed opportunities - the C63S being one of them and the lack of an S coupé being another - I suggest leaving the few off topic posts where they are for continuity sake. But yes, back on topic to the C63S.
 
Yes, even us BMW customers would like to see a supercar (what's a sports car these days?) but if it comes to the detriment of normal production models due to things such as budget-shifting, take-from-here-to-give-to-there, reduction of the number of accessible performance models etc. then there's no case for one.

You alluded to it yourself: the rich are spoilt for choice. There's plenty to choose from exotic brands like Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, McLaren. Heck, in the US - a staple market for performance cars in the bracket just below the exotics - you've got compelling and competitive machinery in the form of cars like the C8 Corvette and other American muscle.

Add indirect competition in from performance SUVs and hyper electric cars and the window of opportunity for a BMW supercar narrows further and with it the business case. This really is obvious stuff that even you secretly get but won't acknowledge here.

Instead what we still get - thankfully - from BMW is a range of cars that, even in cooking guise - are well-built and enjoyable to drive for a much larger piece of the market. That BMW makes - and focuses on - cars like the M2, M3 (including the super cool Touring now), M4 and M5 keeps them as the people's champion of relatively affordable performance cars. CS and CSL models only serve to strengthen this position.

I agree, an S-Class coupé is something that would not only garner enough buyers to be profitable (it would be, after all, based on the S-Class) but would do more for Mercedes image, with more of its patrons, than something like an AMG ONE which seems to be a failure in all aspects other than the sheer will to bring it to market.

An S-Class coupé speaks to the core values of Mercedes Benz - that illustrious century and a bit history you mention - of making well-built luxury motor cars far more than does some hypercar that's so complicated it needs two technicians to accompany it to a race track.

And for those saying "yeah typical BMW excuser being defensive for no supercar" let me say this: if I was to go downstairs to drive home in a C-Class instead of a 3er, I can tell you without any doubt: there being an AMG ONE has no bearing whatsoever on making that C-Class a better car.
I hear you, But your argument fails.
BMW has been around for damn near a century , the company and its owners are filthy rich. They can do a super car with no dent into normal production cars whatsoever. But hey paying dividends to share holders is much more important to them.
The company always had a rotten smell of cowardliness in their proceedings.
 
I predict the V8 will return at facelift time. No one wants this car as is.

M

I guess it's the C32 AMG scenario all over again.

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Except it's much worse this time around because Mercedes reduced the engine size and number of cylinders by half and added a staggering 356 kilograms (approximately 162 lbs) of weight over the previous C63.
 
I guess it's the C32 AMG scenario all over again.

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Except it's much worse this time around because Mercedes reduced the engine size and number of cylinders by half and added a staggering 356 kilograms (approximately 162 lbs) of weight over the previous C63.
Mercedes looks bad because they have downsized the hardest whilst some rival car companies are all announcing brand new high displacement ICE engines with innovative tech.
 
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50/50 , for sure in the next generation

Mate...you may have missed it, but this W206 is running in to the 2030's! There's no new generation planned, just 2 facelifts.

It will get the V8 in the facelift without a doubt as that will be sometime in 2027, if the S-class FL is only due in 2026.
 
Mate...you may have missed it, but this W206 is running in to the 2030's! There's no new generation planned, just 2 facelifts.

It will get the V8 in the facelift without a doubt as that will be sometime in 2027, if the S-class FL is only due in 2026.
This is then the new definition of "facelift". It is rather complete body transplantation :p

Edit:
I'm also a bit skeptical: This would be a rather large invest ... would mean a free fall to residual values of the current 4 banger .. and be an open admitting "we completely f#cked up with the 4cyl/hybrid architecture" ... Will AMG really do this for few years to sell a handful more cars?
 
"All"? Who besides Porsche?
Lambo new V8
Lambo new V12
Porsche new V8
Porsche hybridisation of the 911 with minimal weight gain
Ferrari hybrid V6 that sounds awesome
Bugatti new W16
Rumour has it that the new RS4 won't downsize to a 4pot

If Mercedes consider themselves the pinnacle of automotive then they should have found a way to develop a new 6 or 8 cylinder for AMG cars.
 
Lambo new V8
Lambo new V12
Porsche new V8
Porsche hybridisation of the 911 with minimal weight gain
Ferrari hybrid V6 that sounds awesome
Bugatti new W16
Rumour has it that the new RS4 won't downsize to a 4pot

If Mercedes consider themselves the pinnacle of automotive then they should have found a way to develop a new 6 or 8 cylinder for AMG cars.
Ah ok. But you said "rival car companies" ... all the exotics you listed above are no Mercedes rivals in my book ...
 
Yes. The V8 in the Cayenne S is all new and replaces a V6. The V12 in the Revuelto is entirely new too and is 17kg lighter than the old one. My eyes are now on BMW and what that awaits the B58 and S58.
 
Where are you getting this from that the V8 in the Cayenne is all new? I would bet it’s just reworked version of the current V8 not a clean sheet design. The Bugatti is a V16. What new V8 does Lamborghini have?

M
 
What new V8 does Lamborghini have?
It’s this new V8 going into their Huracan successor:

 
For the Mercedes-Benz C-Class (W206), see Mercedes-Benz C-Class (W206) Thread

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