KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
Why take a Passat it's not even remotely similar to an A6.
Vs BMW 5-Series G31 vs. Competitors
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Why take a Passat it's not even remotely similar to an A6.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
Yet with those supposedly front overhangs both the 5er and A6 look better than the E class ain't that a bish.@klier
Why dislike ?
You don't like large front overhang on the G31 ?
A6 is fwd, and they have similar front overhang.
That's not my imagination, see photo above.
If you don't like that fact, that is other thing.
Just because it drives sportier does not make it better.
This question is ultimately answered by the clientele.
Journalists opinions should ultimately be taken as a grain of salt imo. If you choose to believe what they print that is your personal opinion you have chosen to form. You must get out and drive them yourself.
You seem to objectify and capitalize on it to get your point across. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Completlely subjective topic everyone has a right to conclude upon.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
So why do you feel the need to explain to me that beauty is subjective ? Isn't me saying that the 5er and A6 are better looking than the E class subjective?
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
I simply don't follow 'it looks like FWD' arguments you guys are having. You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Like it's an excuse to make the E-class the best car in the trio, from both a design and driving experience point of view.
Go out and drive them both before you make assumptions like that. Judging a car based on pictures is just wrong.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
But not as well as the XF according to those same journalists.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Thats possible but thats not the car GTA or Wand were discussing.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
As far as I know there hasn't been any comparison with the XF care to share a link or source ?
martinbo
Staff member
Ok, you're entitled to... but let's see if your disagreement stands up to scrutiny.
First of all, your hands on the wheel counterpoint is a rather elementary appraisal of driving technique. I don't like bringing this up but you may recall that I instructed for more than 12 years for various manufacturers?
I've sat next to hundreds of people, assessed their driving position and steering technique; I've shown them how to position themselves relative to the steering wheel and where to place their hands on the wheel when driving and steering. So you telling how to hold a steering wheel is altogether a bit basic. But at this stage you're not wrong when it comes to holding on to the steering wheel with both hands. Obvious for true petrolheads but technically correct at least.
The biggest flaw in your disagreement lies in your perception of what a gear lever is. To state that it can only be used as a "useless handstand" (a hand rest would be the more appropriate term - a handstand is what you do in the shower after a hot chilli crap) gives you away as a novice driver. True drivers never view the gear lever as a place to rest your hand. It is a control necessary for vehicle operation - even an automatic. As such, a large centrally mounted gear lever is leagues ahead of the small, fiddly little control stalk on the steering column in terms of accessibility, intuitiveness and ease & speed of operation. You see, a centre console mounted shifter's plane of operation is aligned with the vehicle's plane of operation too. On a column mounted shifter up is for reverse and down is for drive. a) It's small and b) disjointed from a car's plane of motion. Yes, of course it's easy enough to get used to but that doesn't make it ergonomically superior.
I've done a couple of AMG courses where the customers get in and just battle from the outset to use the column shifter - something you don't see on courses where the gear lever is conventionally located - but hey don't take my word for it - after all you're entitled to your disagreement.
The nice thing about having the gear lever in the centre console is that you can also expand on its operational use - ask any seasoned BMW driver and he will tell you about the convenience and speed of engaging the transmission's sport mode by just slapping it across into sport. Glorious. I use it everyday in a host of scenarios from quickly getting out of auto start-stop mode to adding a bit of pep when the moment arises or even enabling full manual mode in - wait for it - a car that has PRND! [<- take note of the correct sequence by the way.]
Guess what? You can't do that with a column mounted shifter.
The superior ergonomics mean quicker - and hence, safer - selection of R or D which is also useful in various scenarios.
The fact is simple: Mercedes Benz have embarked on a symmetrical centre console layout precisely because of the cost saving brought about from not having to make two versions: one for LHD and one for RHD. Even their ultimate driver's car - the AMG GT has a symmetrical centre console - but, you know what - it's got its gear selector on the central, transmission tunnel console. Go figure.
Sunny
Premium
The front overhang is about as large as the Audi it seems. These features make it look less trendy in my personal opinion. Headlights and taillights, like the modern cell phone, for example, are getting much more sophisticated and the packaging, smaller with eye-catching graphics to match. Seems BMW went the other way around with big eyebrows and predictable graphics.
What an asinine way to compare front overhangs. Even a small difference in the position, angle of the camera or the lense used can distort how long the front over hangs appear. That pic of the E class is clearly taken using some wide angle lense.
What it really looks like -
And what the real overhangs are -
There is no meaningful difference in the overhangs between 5 and E series, if anything given the much longer wheelbase, 5er has more "RWDy" proportions.
Your posts read like, you first come to a conclusion and then make up some gibberish to support it.
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AndreB
Autobahn Adventurer
Very well said @martinbo, the gear selector on steering column is not the best solution.
I'm used to rest my hand on the gear selector and after driving a C-class for a few days I really missed that, resting your hand on the touchpad is like holding a mouse, plus it opens all kind of things in the command system.
And yeah, MB is obviously cutting costs recently, like in their flagship S-Coupe the trunk ceiling does not have any fabric covering... wtf.
They have the worst ergonomics too, but the best wow effect.
I like to see that BMW is getting better with their interiors, still everything below 5 series are cheap as Skoda.
I'd say the 5 series is the most cool car in it's class.
I'm used to rest my hand on the gear selector and after driving a C-class for a few days I really missed that, resting your hand on the touchpad is like holding a mouse, plus it opens all kind of things in the command system.
And yeah, MB is obviously cutting costs recently, like in their flagship S-Coupe the trunk ceiling does not have any fabric covering... wtf.
They have the worst ergonomics too, but the best wow effect.
I like to see that BMW is getting better with their interiors, still everything below 5 series are cheap as Skoda.
I'd say the 5 series is the most cool car in it's class.
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Skoda ? I would say Dacia.
Beemer B773ER
Tire Trailblazer
Rainer271
Kraftwagen König
Sunny
Premium
No wonder why everyone is into alternative facts these days... hear they are not so bitchy and put out super easy.
ThroughandThrough
Kraftkurve King
What an incredibly foolish comparison.
Get your facts from a trusted source, à la Buzzfeed, MSNBC, or Salon, and then we'll talk.
Get your facts from a trusted source, à la Buzzfeed, MSNBC, or Salon, and then we'll talk.
Sunny
Premium
What is a foolish comparison? Comparing actual figures from the manufacturer's website?
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