Vs Bentley VS. Rolls-Royce (Brand Battle)

[NarutoRamen]

I could never pick one over the Phantom Drophead Coupe

I could...the Brooklands.

 

[Human]

I just love the Continental GT, that said....ROLLS-ROYCE are the best cars on planet earth, the most prestigious brand of all and nothing can change that for it is a fact! Names like Bentley, Bugatti, Maybach...maybe Mercedes? can be mentioned in the same sentence as Rolls-Royce...though NON of the above mentioned are more prestigious NOR will they EVER be than Rolls-Royce!

 

[aleks_16]

Beckhams Rolls-Royce pimped by DUB

 

[aleks_16]

here are another pics or RR

 

[Mr Robert]

Rolls, everything else is simply only second best. I'm thinking presence, heritage, image, design...

 

[HighestOfHigh]

I just love the Continental GT, that said....ROLLS-ROYCE are the best cars on planet earth, the most prestigious brand of all and nothing can change that for it is a fact! Names like Bentley, Bugatti, Maybach...maybe Mercedes? can be mentioned in the same sentence as Rolls-Royce...though NON of the above mentioned are more prestigious NOR will they EVER be than Rolls-Royce!

Rolls-Royce has had a profound history of excellence and no one can take that name from them. Looking back on their history they have had some of the most noticeable cars on earth. Back in the day there was no car that could really stand against them. Since Bentley was on their team, they had no real competition. The next best thing would probably be a Mercedes. I can say without hesitation that I loved Rolls-Royce back in the day. They could do no wrong. Just the very mentioning of Rolls-Royce would get people excited.

Currently the Rolls-Royce name is still worth a lot. Even with the split from Bentley/Rolls-Royce, some considered that BMW got the better deal. Surprising Benz didn't even consider being in the running to purchase Rolls.

Bentley on the other hand was considered mostly by the old world as being the cheaper sportier version of Rolls. This is very obvious with the Rolls-Royce Silver Seraph and Bentley Arnage. On the other hand Bentley is working their way out of that image into is rightful place as a direct competitor.

If you look at history Mercedes-Benz was founded in 1881, where as Rolls-Royce 1906. Mercedes-Benz may have been through some rough times, but they never had to be brought by another company to keep from going under. If anything they almost brought BMW. So in a way Mercedes-Benz name is more powerful then Rolls. What has worked for Rolls-Royce is their exclusivity and providing luxury cars that were considered to be on a higher level then Benz.

If you take away the history, you really have to look at Rolls-Royce a little differently. What the current Rolls-Royce has going for it is size. People see the huge body and grill and automatically dismiss its competitors.

But then we must consider what the others have.

Performance -

• Maybach 57s, 62S, Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG, Bentley Mulsanne all out power the current Rolls-Royce Phantom. The only thing the Phantom has over the Mulsanne is the V12.

Technology -

• The Phantom is very well equipped. On the other hand the Maybach' can easily match it. The New W221 exceeds it in all respects.

Luxury Features -

• The Maybach and Bentley Mulsanne can match it. Even the S-class has been compared to it and won.

The Phantom and the rest of the line up do have the presence factory, which really is unmatched by any competitor. Despite my personal issues with BMW/Rolls-Royce, the company has been doing very well, but IMO Bentley has done better. Especially when it comes to moving products.

When all is said and done, Bentley and Maybach are right there ready to fight Rolls-Royce and Rolls is not the Super Power that it once was.

Lastly, there is one that sits higher then Rolls-Royce. One that destroys Rolls-Royce in exclusivity, power and prestige. One that his a long history and even though it does have four doors it...it will soon. It has NO competitors yet it can be considered sport and luxury. It is none other then Bugatti!

If the Bentley Mulsanne is an excellent has it says it is it will directly impact the market the Phantom is in. Probably after the first year of sales, we will know who is boss. As much as well like cars to have a certain status, the car industry is still a business.

Sales, Profitability and customer loyalty are all that matter. The Rolls-Royce name is golden, but the past is the past. Once the Mulsanne hits the market, we will see who the boss is. That will be the major decider of who wears the crown no matter what Leroy and EnI say.

 

[Merc1]

Rolls-Royce may have the best name going, but clearly they haven't always made the best car. Mercedes' 600s come to mind during their time. Also, by the 80's Rollers and Bentleys were just expensive, pretty, overpriced clunkers. A 560SEL would wipe the floor with anything Rolls or Bentley built during those years, so would a Lexus LS400 or BMW 750iL. Vickers had been completely run over by the Germans at that point it showed in their cars. They were very marginal cars during the late 70's and all through the 80's and early 90's, with the Germans and Japanese building significantly better cars. The Rolls/Bentleys were painted better, had better leather and wood, but mechanically they were completely outclassed. A W140 600SEL was the the best sedan you could buy right after the 1988 BMW 750iL came out with its segment-busting V12.

Only after being being bought by BMW and VW did Rolls and Bentley return to actually building a comparable and/or arguably superior car to your average high-end Mercedes/BMW/Lexus/Audi.


M

 

[NarutoRamen]

Only after being being bought by BMW and VW did Rolls and Bentley return to actually building a comparable and/or arguably superior car to your average high-end Mercedes/BMW/Lexus/Audi.
M

But even then, it's more about the personal touches then anything else, because in all honesty, there isn't THAT much of a difference between the luxuries offered in the S600/760Li vs. Ghost or Flying Spur. If you know what I mean.

 

[Merc1]

But even then, it's more about the personal touches then anything else, because in all honesty, there isn't THAT much of a difference between the luxuries offered in the S600/760Li vs. Ghost or Flying Spur. If you know what I mean.

Of course it is, that's why I said engineering wise that others were better because RR/Bentley's image never died or was even tarnished because the rich still bought their cars no matter how outdated they were.

Personal choice is the only reason Cadillac is still around. People bought them when they were total junk next to a Mercedes-Benz, simply because they didn't know any better or didn't want to know any better.


M

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Personal choice is the only reason Cadillac is still around. People bought them when they were total junk next to a Mercedes-Benz, simply because they didn't know any better or didn't want to know any better.


M

Actually part of the reason people picked Cadillac over a Mercedes/BMW is simply because it was cheaper. If you have a middle income family that wants to buy a large luxury car, a $45K Cadillac DTS/Deville or a $45k Lincoln Town Car look real good. Especially when comparing it to a $90k S-class.

Now if someone is purchasing a CTS, then maybe their is some brand loyalty there. Still what Bentley has done with their continential series cars is nothing short of remarkable. Especially considering it is battling cars like the S65 AMG and 760il.

Bentley knew that it's name alone would sell the car. There are people who are well off who still can't afford a Bentley Azure, but they can sure get a Bentley Con GT. They know that it will be more excusive then a CL600. Bentley has this market convered.

What will be interesting is seeing how the Ghost will do in it's first year. Rolls is asking way more money. Someone extremely rich may look at the ghost as a lesser Rolls and may not fall for it. Especially when they can a little more and get a Bentley Mulsanne, which is Bentley's flagship.

So this Rolls vs Bentley battle will be interesting to watch. Loyalty and Price...only rich folks will know which one will win out. My bet is with Bentley.

 

[Merc1]

Actually part of the reason people picked Cadillac over a Mercedes/BMW is simply because it was cheaper. If you have a middle income family that wants to buy a large luxury car, a $45K Cadillac DTS/Deville or a $45k Lincoln Town Car look real good. Especially when comparing it to a $90k S-class.

That may have been true, but you weren't getting anything close to a Mercedes or BMW for that money. A DTS or Town Car is just so outdated/outclassed/outdone by a large Mercedes or BMW it isn't even funny. People also used the "space" argument to justify buying a severly sub-par product IMO.


M

 

[HighestOfHigh]

That may have been true, but you weren't getting anything close to a Mercedes or BMW for that money. A DTS or Town Car is just so outdated/outclassed/outdone by a large Mercedes or BMW it isn't even funny. People also used the "space" argument to justify buying a severly sub-par product IMO.

M

This is true, but to someone who can't afford an S-class technology and German engineering don't mean a thing. Then it also depends on the type of customer as well. Someone 70 and up may not want to deal with idrive and Command. They may even get frustrated and literally beat on the car (I actually saw this and it was extremely funny).

But someone with a $500k a year job that buys a Cadillac over a Mercedes-Benz...might just be in question. Then again that would probably be up to personal taste. Just like some people would not dare consider the Mercedes-Benz GL over a Chromed out Lincoln Navigator or Cadillac Escalade.

I think this is where Bentley styling will pay off. A lot of people are downgrading from flashy to something that is less noticeable.

A Phantom just say LOOK AT ME...PLEASE LOOK AT ME NOW....NOW I SAY!

The Bentley Mulsanne on the other hand says I know...I know, but you can't have me!

 

[Merc1]

This is true, but to someone who can't afford an S-class technology and German engineering don't mean a thing. Then it also depends on the type of customer as well. Someone 70 and up may not want to deal with idrive and Command. They may even get frustrated and literally beat on the car (I actually saw this and it was extremely funny).

But someone with a $500k a year job that buys a Cadillac over a Mercedes-Benz...might just be in question. Then again that would probably be up to personal taste. Just like some people would not dare consider the Mercedes-Benz GL over a Chromed out Lincoln Navigator or Cadillac Escalade.

Well HoH I'm not really talking about today. I'm talking about in the late 70's, 80's and early 90's. My point is that it was sheer brand loyalty saw brands like Cadillac, Rolls-Royce and other through a tough time, i.e. a time when they clearly made a lot of junk. There was no advantage to buying a Cimarron over a 190E or 3-Series no matter how much less the "Cadillac" costs. It was junk and even Cadillac admits it...now.

What else would make someone buy a wheezing, FWD, 200hp V8 Cadillac roadster with a "can't get it close properly" manual top over a 322hp, RWD, V8 500SL in 1990? Price may have been the key for some, but no way that was the majority. People I knew who bought Cadillacs then didn't know anything about anything else and didn't want to.


M

 

[ateekt]

Rolls-Royce, the luxury & the motoring perfection!

 

[Zafiro]

Crushing victory for the RR in this poll.....

 

[LaArtist]

^Not that surprising..
When the Ultimate Drivers have became Ultimate Passangers..

I guess Brand loyalty goes deeper than Preferences

 

[Zafiro]

^Not that surprising..
When the Ultimate Drivers have became Ultimate Passangers..

I guess Brand loyalty goes deeper than Preferences

BMW fans vote for RR and MB fans vote for Bentley because its not owned by BMW. Might be the case, who knows.
But in my case BMW=RR has nothing to do with it. I go by design only and Bentley's does not look good (except for one).

 

[LaArtist]

^Nah many MB fans vote for RR..
If we would go down that road..we would vote MM..
And as you can see MM gets very low votes in the polls..

I just thought a car more for the driver would appeal to BMW fans..
When ive heard some say ( i think you).. that it doesent really matter how a car looks..
Its more about how it drives..

But if you are going by what looks good in your eyes for once..
I cant explain thats what i do always..
I dont really care how a car drives..
All german cars drive well enough

 

[Zafiro]

I just thought a car more for the driver would appeal to BMW fans..
When ive heard some say ( i think you).. that it doesent really matter how a car looks..
Its more about how it drives..

I have never in my life said that cars in these segment, the drive is important. You are confusing my with other people. These cars are uber-luxury cars with a size like ship. How they drive isnt relevant , luxury,design and class is far more important in this segment, thats why I would never spend money on cars like RR/Bentley (or S-class/7er/A8 for that matter). They are too fat and clumsy to dance with for my taste.

BTW looking at the pollresult, there are both BMW fans voting for Bentley and MB fans voting for RR.

 

[LaArtist]

^Yeah in this segment you never said it..
But in others..i thought it would be valid in all segments for you..

Thank god you admitted that how a 7er/S/A8 drives isnt really relevant..

All of them drives well or even better than well enough..

So i guess its just up to what suits your eyes..

As it always should be in all segments (imo)

For ex..the M3 drives better than C63.. C63 drives well enough to kill someone..
And in my eyes it looks WAAAAy better..so i pick the C63