Hot! All kind of sales Audi / BMW / Mercedes

[WAND]

@CrunchSlaughtered
There are no global data for Audi yet. At least I don't found them.

Here are top selling models in UK : ( C class - fourth place )
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/features/revealed-best-selling-cars-january-2017

And in USA : ( C class also best selling model in premium range ) Merc is doing fine in US Jan.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/02/january-2017-usa-vehicle-sales-rankings-by-model.html

 

[HUTSUTAo]

@CrunchSlaughtered
There are no global data for Audi yet. At least I don't found them.

Here are top selling models in UK : ( C class - fourth place )
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/features/revealed-best-selling-cars-january-2017

And in USA : ( C class also best selling model in premium range ) Merc is doing fine in US Jan.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/02/january-2017-usa-vehicle-sales-rankings-by-model.html

Is there a place to see the best selling car in UK beyond the top 10?

BMW has always cited China sales of Mini and BMW combined. If we deduct Mini sales, then BMW is lacking much more behind Mercedes.
BMW is losing against MB mainly in the three major markets: China, Germany and USA. For the rest of the world they are almost equal.
What are the Audi's January numbers in China?

Audi sold 51000 cars in China in january 2017.

China luxury car sales
1. Mercedes-58000
2. Audi-51000
3. BMW-50000
4. Cadillac-18011
5. Jaguar LR-13947
6. Lexus-9400
7. VOLVO-8362

 

[WAND]

@HUTSUTAo
Don't know right now, if I find, I will inform you.
Wow, first time that Merc surpass Audi in China. ( if I'm not wrong )
Merc does amazing job.

 

[WAND]

@HUTSUTAo
Didn't find further details beyond top 10.
But here is the list of top 40 brands in UK : Mercedes is in third place, even ahead of VW

http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2017/02/uk-january-2017-mercedes-c-class-soars-40-to-record-4th-place/

And here are data for Germany ( all models and brands rankings ) : C class again best selling premium model ( 5th place ), while E class have growth 80% ( 14th place, ahead of Audi A3 ), S class is standardly ahead of Audi A8 and 7er, but aged A8 is again ahead of 7er in Germany, funny.

http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2017/02/germany-january-2017-mercedes-above-10-bmw-x1-soars-to-record-7/

And for US : S class ahead of Tesla model S and more than double of 7er. E class scored 60% growth.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-sales-january-2017-models/

And brands :
http://carsalesbase.com/us-sales-january-2017-brands/

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Is there a place to see the best selling car in UK beyond the top 10?






Audi sold 51000 cars in China in january 2017.

China luxury car sales
1. Mercedes-58000
2. Audi-51000
3. BMW-50000
4. Cadillac-18011
5. Jaguar LR-13947
6. Lexus-9400
7. VOLVO-8362

But again, in China BMW numbers are including MINI sales also, without them I suppose is something like 45 000

 

[Mick Briesgau]

@HUTSUTAo
Didn't find further details beyond top 10.
But here is the list of top 40 brands in UK : Mercedes is in third place, even ahead of VW

http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2017/02/uk-january-2017-mercedes-c-class-soars-40-to-record-4th-place/

And here are data for Germany ( all models and brands rankings ) : C class again best selling premium model ( 5th place ), while E class have growth 80% ( 14th place, ahead of Audi A3 ), S class is standardly ahead of Audi A8 and 7er, but aged A8 is again ahead of 7er in Germany, funny.

http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2017/02/germany-january-2017-mercedes-above-10-bmw-x1-soars-to-record-7/

And for US : S class ahead of Tesla model S and more than double of 7er. E class scored 60% growth.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-sales-january-2017-models/

And brands :
http://carsalesbase.com/us-sales-january-2017-brands/

BMW 7er sold over one third less than january 2016. That's quite remarkable for such a new car. Anyone know what could be the reason?

 

[EnI]

BMW has always cited China sales of Mini and BMW combined. If we deduct Mini sales, then BMW is lacking much more behind Mercedes.
BMW is losing against MB mainly in the three major markets: China, Germany and USA. For the rest of the world they are almost equal.

True BUT ... BMW Group Chinese sales reports actually do include MINI brand sales but those reports represent Mainland China sales only, excl. Macau & Hong Kong. While MB & Audi DO include sales in those 2 wealthy entities into the Chinese market sales report. Not sure about Taiwan sales though.

So, in the end the figure for all 3 brands in there - there ... BMW reports Mainland China sales only but includes MINI, while MB & Audi do include 2 special entities in the Chinese market sales report. It evens out. And therefore the sales figures for China market are quite comparable for all 3 brands.

Also mind MB includes V-class van sales in the sales reports, but not in the financial reports (where the count V-class sales & revenues as MB Vans division results).

 

[EnI]

BMW sales ... Mind 5-series (on of the most mass-volume BMW models) is in the transition phase. Also in China, where 5-series L still has to be introduced and put on sale. Till then the old, outgoing model will be available. 1er Sedan has just been introduced to Chinese market, and so was the X1L.

BMW suffers from aging line up ... MB introduced new C, E, GLC recently, while BMW only introduced a new X1, and 5er sedan has started to roll out. And still waiting for X3 & 3er to come. Aging 3er, X3, and 5er for another year in China, will have hard times there. 1er Sedan & X1L will have to perform brilliantly to close the sales gap.

And what hurts BMW as well: very ambitious pricing (IMHO too ambitious). And in many cases people are not willing to pay as much for the brand name only. Especially when perceived interior quality of outgoing models is sub par compared to the closest rivals.

No doubt MB has been on fire recently. They have a fresh & exciting models in the offering. Perceived quality is superb - something BMW still lacks a lot in the outgoing models.

Regarding dull designs ... They do sell. Even 7er does sell well. Sure not in numbers of S-class but in record numbers for 7er though.

So, MB is doing everything well at the time being, therefore their lead is well deserved. As you can see: things can change. BMW enjoyed a decade of being #1 - because they did things better then MB: rolling out new models faster, increasing production facilities faster, building sales network faster etc. And now MB has finally caught up, and even overtook BMW. Good times for customers. And don't forget the others: Audi, Lexus, Jaguar, Porsche, Cadillac, Tesla, even Alfa Romeo etc. Competition is really though!

 

[Mick Briesgau]

BMW sales ... Mind 5-series (on of the most mass-volume BMW models) is in the transition phase. Also in China, where 5-series L still has to be introduced and put on sale. Till then the old, outgoing model will be available. 1er Sedan has just been introduced to Chinese market, and so was the X1L.

BMW suffers from aging line up ... MB introduced new C, E, GLC recently, while BMW only introduced a new X1, and 5er sedan has started to roll out. And still waiting for X3 & 3er to come. Aging 3er, X3, and 5er for another year in China, will have hard times there. 1er Sedan & X1L will have to perform brilliantly to close the sales gap.

And what hurts BMW as well: very ambitious pricing (IMHO too ambitious). And in many cases people are not willing to pay as much for the brand name only. Especially when perceived interior quality of outgoing models is sub par compared to the closest rivals.

No doubt MB has been on fire recently. They have a fresh & exciting models in the offering. Perceived quality is superb - something BMW still lacks a lot in the outgoing models.

Regarding dull designs ... They do sell. Even 7er does sell well. Sure not in numbers of S-class but in record numbers for 7er though.

So, MB is doing everything well at the time being, therefore their lead is well deserved. As you can see: things can change. BMW enjoyed a decade of being #1 - because they did things better then MB: rolling out new models faster, increasing production facilities faster, building sales network faster etc. And now MB has finally caught up, and even overtook BMW. Good times for customers. And don't forget the others: Audi, Lexus, Jaguar, Porsche, Cadillac, Tesla, even Alfa Romeo etc. Competition is really though!

@EnI, are sales in the USA of the 7er as expected/planned or are the Numbers below expected sales? It seems so low, compared to january last year. Or was it just a suboptimum January...

 

[tomazino]

BMW 7er sold over one third less than january 2016. That's quite remarkable for such a new car. Anyone know what could be the reason?

where?

 

[Mick Briesgau]

where?

USA, see @WAND 's post above

 

[tomazino]

USA, see @WAND 's post above

Sorry Mick, he is on my ignore list
But, I think that this is more important chart:

 

[Rolf]

Does anyone have a breakdown of Mercedes models sales figures?

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Sorry Mick, he is on my ignore list
But, I think that this is more important chart:

Thanks for those numbers @tomazino. Those are world wide figures I guess. I was curious however about the sales of the 7er going down in the USA, January 2016 vs. January 2017. Just can't think of a reason why the 7 er, being a brandnew model, is going from 847 to 545 units sold. I'd expect it going up... Always thought the States was a typical 7er market.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

Thanks for those numbers @tomazino. Those are world wide figures I guess. I was curious however about the sales of the 7er going down in the USA, January 2016 vs. January 2017. Just can't think of a reason why the 7 er, being a brandnew model, is going from 847 to 545 units sold. I'd expect it going up... Always thought the States was a typical 7er market.

BMW might have moved a disproportionately high number of 7 series in 2016 Dec and hence it is experiencing a slow 2017 Jan now.

 

[tomazino]

Thanks for those numbers @tomazino. Those are world wide figures I guess. I was curious however about the sales of the 7er going down in the USA, January 2016 vs. January 2017. Just can't think of a reason why the 7 er, being a brandnew model, is going from 847 to 545 units sold. I'd expect it going up... Always thought the States was a typical 7er market.

I think it is something like this:

BMW might have moved a disproportionately high number of 7 series in 2016 Dec and hence it is experiencing a slow 2017 Jan now.

....just opposite.

 

[chonkoa]

Oh waouw, multiple nerves must haven been hit.

BMW sales ... Mind 5-series (on of the most mass-volume BMW models) is in the transition phase. Also in China, where 5-series L still has to be introduced and put on sale. Till then the old, outgoing model will be available. 1er Sedan has just been introduced to Chinese market, and so was the X1L.

BMW suffers from aging line up ... MB introduced new C, E, GLC recently, while BMW only introduced a new X1, and 5er sedan has started to roll out. And still waiting for X3 & 3er to come. Aging 3er, X3, and 5er for another year in China, will have hard times there. 1er Sedan & X1L will have to perform brilliantly to close the sales gap.

And what hurts BMW as well: very ambitious pricing (IMHO too ambitious). And in many cases people are not willing to pay as much for the brand name only. Especially when perceived interior quality of outgoing models is sub par compared to the closest rivals.

No doubt MB has been on fire recently. They have a fresh & exciting models in the offering. Perceived quality is superb - something BMW still lacks a lot in the outgoing models.

Regarding dull designs ... They do sell. Even 7er does sell well. Sure not in numbers of S-class but in record numbers for 7er though.

So, MB is doing everything well at the time being, therefore their lead is well deserved. As you can see: things can change. BMW enjoyed a decade of being #1 - because they did things better then MB: rolling out new models faster, increasing production facilities faster, building sales network faster etc. And now MB has finally caught up, and even overtook BMW. Good times for customers. And don't forget the others: Audi, Lexus, Jaguar, Porsche, Cadillac, Tesla, even Alfa Romeo etc. Competition is really though!

A very honest assessment. Good points.
The BMW fanboys and majority share holders here may not like your assessment though.

 

[WAND]

7er in Germany Jan. 2017 is -1% and -30% in USA.
W222 doubled sales when came out ( globally ).
7er globally have 29,8% growth in January 2017 compared to prevoius year.
That's 3 time lesser growth than W222 and about half numbers compared to W222 sales numbers.
When W222 was fresh, it goes around 9k monthly ( average ), and even above 10k just like in November 2014
2014 November S class sales - 10,268
reminder :
http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...than-100-000-units-delivered-in-a-year.51896/

 

[Matski]

. Just can't think of a reason why the 7 er, being a brandnew model, is going from 847 to 545 units sold. I'd expect it going up... Always thought the States was a typical 7er market.

From a reporting point of view the 7 series isn't really a brand new model, as in it's YTD figures are now a comparison against itself, not the old model... anyway, if you look at December vs January 7-er numbers for the past few years January always sees somewhere between a 33% and 59% drop off... what that tells me is that the December figures are stuffed, and the January figures only reflect how good of a job dealers did at shifting stock before the year end.... IMHO both December and January figures are statistical red herrings.

Also, when the G11/12 was brand new it did beat the January figure for the F01... but in everycase, January is disproportionately low.

With that said, and the fact globally 7-er sales increased year on year in January, the fault would appear to be US Dealers.

True BUT ... BMW Group Chinese sales reports actually do include MINI brand sales but those reports represent Mainland China sales only, excl. Macau & Hong Kong. While MB & Audi DO include sales in those 2 wealthy entities into the Chinese market sales report. Not sure about Taiwan sales though.

So BMW's Asia Pacific figure includes HK and Macau, and Mercedes' doesn't?

Okay...

BMW & Mini Asia Pacific excl. China, incl HK & Macau: 15,374
Mercedes Benz Asia Pacific excl. China & HK & Macau: 22,249

... so all this shows is that Mercedes leads BMW in sales in China, and in the rest of the Asia Pacific territory, irrespective of the presence of Hong Kong & Macau in the MB figures, does it not?


@tomazino

Where did you get that chart? looks like its from an investor presentation but I didn't see anything yet for this year?

 

[WAND]

@Matski
You have here 2017 and 2016 January US sales :
http://carsalesbase.com/us-sales-january-2017-models/