5 Series 5er GT - First Drives & Reviews.


The BMW 5 Series is an executive car manufactured and marketed by BMW since 1972. The car is sold as either a sedan or, since 1991, a station wagon (marketed as "Touring"). A 5-door fastback (marketed as "Gran Turismo") was sold between 2009 and 2017. Each successive generation has been given an internal G-code designation since 2017. Previously, a F-code designation was used between 2010 and 2016, while an E-code designation was used between 1972 and 2010. These are used to distinguish each model and generation from each other.
As said many times: and again ... the purpose has been explaind. If you (or even a majority) don't need such a car that does not mean it has no purpose in general. Today people like cross-over cars that are jacks-of-all-trade-masters-of-none. And usually such cars are niche. Does a supercar have a purpose to the mass market / majority of customers? No. But it has to some. It's a niche. What's the point questioning the purpose of a niche, of you're not a part of it? Absolutely none.

Again, and again, who said the car has no purpose? The so-called purpose is what is being questioned. A supercar's purpose is understood from the moment it is shown so thats a very poor, actually invalid example. The 5GT is trying to create a niche, big difference. Supercar niche has been around for years and years.


Time will tell. BMW see no big market for 5er GT in US. But they will still offer the car there. Just like eg. they did with 5er Touring. They have nothing to lose. It will be there - for the few who need it & will buy it. No mass market ambitions though - eg. like MB ones with R-class in US market.

And again, they question why bother? I can see it now, if the 5GT sells 4K units it will be deemed a success.


X6 sells less in US since BMW US sales in general suffers a lot. Sales ratio X5 vs X6 is according to plans. While in other markets this ratio exceeds plans: X& being much closer to X5 sales numbers than expected. In some small markets X6 even outsells X5!!!! Btw, beside ME the US market offers lowest prices for X6. Anywhere else the car is even more expensive.


Keep believeing that. X6 doesn't sell because it is an aquired taste at best and defeats the purpose of having a SUV, and its damn expensive.


And eg. 6er sells even less ... Does that mean it's a flop? No, since a niche product - a large GT coupe / cabrio with limited market potential. And so it is the X6. It's not a mass product like X5. Never will be. So don't expect the car will sell in X5 numbers ... and calling it a flop when seeing it's not reaching X5 sales numbers at all. Since that has never been the aim.

The 6-Series had its day in the sun it is now old and you know it.



Why eg. R-class is considered to be a flop? Due to wrong marketing - since MB advertise it as "an alternative to SUV", and expecting big sales numbers, wanting the car to be mainstream mass product like eg. ML. And that has never happened. Flop = huge margin between expectations and reality. Not the sales numbers per se. If you launch a car (and generating profits) as a niche product - selling it in small numbers, that shouldn't be considered as flop. Unless a person is completely ignorant, knowing nothing about marketing.


True about the R-Class, but the thing is with you and BMW's marketing nonsense you're going to brand the 5GT a success no matter how few units it sells, is the BS factor. The projected number is what 5K? If it does 1K will that be considered a flop or failure? No of course not, yet another excuse will be given.

M
 
It is. But not in marketing kind of way. The narrow-minded attitude more derives from patriotism: favoring their own domestic brands. eg. Germans favoring German brands over any other, Brits favoring British brands, Italian Italian brands, French the French brands etc.

Yet still automotive press in average has become a joke ... Globally. Completely tabloid-like. Following the trend in the media world. Sensational yellow-press is selling well ... And the content & form has to cater the intelligence & mindset of the readers. It's certainly not the NYT audience - like.

Today automotive forums & blogs & news portals offer much more insight than average automotive magazine.

Some automotive "journalists" & media act laike Gods of Automotive world - pretending they know everything, and pretend to being entitled to say anything (that being a praise or criticism) ... although they usually do that with no or too little info / insight ... and therefore they often make fools of themselves. And their readers do it even more - believing in everything they read in such magazines / papers etc.

I was a part of automotive marketing machine once (for a short period), and I know how difficult is to present info to media - since today not many journalists understand the complexity of marketing (eg. why some product is offered, how it is offered, how it is priced, to whom it is offered, how it is communicated etc). They usually go "I don't understand it ... I don't understand it. It doesn't make sense to me." Usually showing their complete lack of empathy - not understanding what someone else wants / needs. Since they usually only use rationality as a base for explanation. But today purchasing process is not only based on customer's rationality, but it's more based on emotional (irrational) base as well - even more so in premium / luxury segments. And not many people understand emotional base of other people. Therefore eg. journalists do not understand some products ... Since today products are not only targeting the rational part of consumer's mental process, but also (sometimes even mostly) his / her emotional part.

And therefore it's hard to judge some products today ... since many people can only understand & judge the rational character of the product, but not necessary the emotional part (if you're not the targeted demographics). In some cases the marketing for a particular product is so specific & precise, it's hard for the general public to understand it. In such case only targeted demographics will be able to do it.

So, when I read the articles in papers saying "Product A is ugly / not sexy / visually challenging" or "It has no purpose. / It's redundant. / Hard to understand" - it only shows the stupidity of the writer. Unless he / she clearly specifies those are his / her PERSONAL & SUBJECTIVE feelings & views only! But even in this case ... articles should be writen for audience, for the writer himself ... who T. F. wants to read about personal feelings of the author??? It's not his blog / diary. Yet today many articles are so ego-driven it hurts.


Whew...that was a lot of nothing EnI. The bottom line is this, you and the like cheer the press when they champion a BMW product and call them idiots when they don't. Period.

Writers are human so of course they're going to give their personal/subjective feeling on an automobile, what do you expect them to do behave blindly like you marketing people do?

What is so two-faced and hypocritical about your argument is that you say the writers don't care what people's needs are yet, yet when a BMW is praised for being sportier, better handling in tests that most drivers will never do, you're all cheers. Talk about being ignorant to everyday concerns.

In short what you're saying is that we should listen to you and BMW's CM instead of the press? Or should we listen to all sources and form our own opinions, as most people do anyway?

I don't know what you're reading but American magazines sure as hell didn't favor American products over Europeans ones. That is absurd. Secondly they most certainly do point out that what they say is their opinion, not some type of biblical information that can't be questioned. In your world no journalist would ever question anything BMW does or sells here and we'd all be BMW-loving zombies what worship any and everything BMW does. Thank god it isn't that way.

How else would the public know how a car performs? The often times meaningless figures from the manufacturer? Who or where does one turn to see an honest comparision of competing vehicles? The press material from BMW?


M
 
Marcus, I can't help you if your unable to understand. Live on your simple life ...

We had several debates, and every time we end up at the same point: you starting to call my arguments a CM / PR BS, excuses etc.


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I don't know why you have an idea planted in your head that everything marketing / PR says is just an empty & useless propaganda. :t-hands:

Some traumatic experience in the past? :t-hands:
 
Marcus, I can't help you if your unable to understand. Live on your simple life ...

We had several debates, and every time we end up at the same point: you starting to call my arguments a CM / PR BS, excuses etc.

Like most arguments, the true reality probably lies somewhere in between the opposing viewpoints.

ENI, you do talk a bit more CM/PR BS than you realise.
 
Marcus, I can't help you if your unable to understand. Live on your simple life ...

We had several debates, and every time we end up at the same point: you starting to call my arguments a CM / PR BS, excuses etc.


:t-hands:


Some traumatic experience in the past? :t-hands:


Same thing as before, I'm too simple and ignorant to understand, yet I get it perfectly. You simply can't deal in reality. You'll talking that marketing crap until hell freezes over and it won't mean a hill of beans when a product fails and the sad, really sad part about it is that you'll never, ever admit that BMW or CM made a mistake. You'll just revert back to the same old "people or Americans are too stupid/simple to understand what BMW is doing or what the point something like the 5GT is".


I don't know why you have an idea planted in your head that everything marketing / PR says is just an empty & useless propaganda.

Because 9 times out of 10 that is exactly what you give. Useless BS and then on top of that you have the gall to say Americans are so stupid/ignorant etc. yet you expect them to buy BMWs. BMW USA better be glad you aren't anywhere near being in charge otherwise they'd be finished with this ridiculous, head in the sand way of thinking you have.

Buyers that don't like one of these new BMWs are clueless, nevermind that they understood BMW all these years, journalists know absolutely nothing ****unless they praise BMW**********, and the rest simply aren't worthy of buying a BMW or even understanding what one is.

The world according to EnI.

You telling me to "live my simple" life is your save-face, cop-out for your BS being called what it is.


M
 
Marcus ... again: if some model is selling extremely well accross the globe yet not so well in US that doesn't mean the car is a failure. It just isn't targeted primarily at US market. And therefore it's inappropriate for US-based journalist / customers to bitch about the car only because it's offered in their market. Yes, in some cases BMW (eg. 1er hatch ot The Touring models) may not even bring some models to US, and those models will still be a success in general.

Yet when eg. cars like 1er hatch, X1, X6 etc are introduced usually the US media & people start the anti-campaign: since reasoning the car from their point of view only, forgetting the car also aims at millions around the globe not only to US. And not catering US taste does not equals being worthless / redundant / pointless. And ... I'm sure 5er GT will find some customers in US. Just like 5er Touring has.

The world is not turning merely around US, you know. :t-cheers:

Regarding X&: the car is selling extremely well - exceeding expectations. The only deviation is that it sells better in some other markets than US - where the sales are still OK ... but other markets are doing better. Much better. And as said: US gets one of the cheapest price X6 compared to other markets. And in many (especially small) markets X6 out sells X5. So don't BS about the isn't selling because being unpractical & too expensive. Unpractical & too expensive to whom? To you?

Yes, I can see you starting arguing: only 40k people out of 6 billion bought the X6 - so the car is a huge failure. Or: 5er GT is selling way beyond 5er sedan & touring numbers ... so the people still prefer sedan & touring over GT ... therefore GT is a failure. You have absolutely no clue about the point of marketing, and how it really works. It's not just PR & propaganda / advertising.

I'm done with you here ... Since it's really no point repeating same things all over again. We totally disagree on this issue. That's it. Period. :t-cheers:
 
Back on topic and the good news continues.
BMW 5-series GT 535i Executive - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk
 
Car&Driver first drive ...

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2010 BMW 5-series Gran Turismo - First Drive Review

Once more from BMW, a vehicle to fit the thinnest of niches

BY JENS MEINERS
September 2009

Among the flurry of fast-roofed and four-door hatchbacks coming to market over the next couple of years, one interpretation clearly stands out: the 2010 BMW 5-series Gran Turismo. Indeed, the unusual, tall proportions of the Bimmer set it far apart from Audi’s more conventionally shaped A5 Sportback and A7, as well as the more low-slung Porsche Panamera and rakish Aston Martin Rapide.
But it doesn’t look the way it looks simply to stand out. When the idea for the car first began to take shape, BMW executives decreed that it should offer the legroom of a 7-series and the rear headroom of an X5. Given those two goals, it’s no wonder that this new model is no classic beauty.

Better Looking In Person (We Seem to Be Saying That A Lot Lately)
That said, we found the 5-series GT to be better looking on the road than on the auto-show stand. It never came across as excessively huge on the Portuguese test roads we drove, and we think it will fit right in on the streets of North America. The design sometimes still struggles to be cohesive, but we can say that it looked best in white. We would advise buyers to go for the largest wheels possible—the 18-inch wheels look positively miniscule—and we thought the GT logo, which is styled to evoke the L-shaped taillights, was a nice touch.

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Drives Well, but It Isn’t Particularly Fun
The 5-series GT driving experience is closer to that of the taller X5 than the regular 5-series. In fast corners, the GT tends to initial understeer, but it is easy to apply power oversteer, which gets the stability control busy. The active steering—not our favorite way to wheel a BMW, it must be said—is effortless at low speeds, taking the fear out of tight parking situations.
The GT boasts an adjustable suspension with multiple settings, and it does its best to mask the car’s two-plus tons. The Comfort setting tends to foster bobbing and swinging motions, while Normal—a good compromise between sporty and soft—makes the driver feel more secure. As soon as the road turns extra-twisty, we advise activating the Sport setting, which further firms up the suspension and heightens powertrain responses. The difference between Sport and Sport Plus is nearly indiscernible beyond the latter relaxing the stability control enough to allow drifting, something about which we encourage you to think twice, considering the GT’s mass. Overall, despite BMW’s efforts to make the GT as sedan-like as possible—witness all the stuff with the multifunction hatch and cargo-area divider—it’s not a vehicle that tempts you to get up at 6 a.m. on Sunday for a day of spirited driving.
When the car arrives in the U.S. later this year, it will be available only in 550i guise at first; expect to pay around $65,000 for the privilege of owning one. The 535i will arrive later, likely at a $60,000 price point. BMW plans on bringing a quarter—5000 to 7500 cars—of annual GT production to the States; why would you drop the coin on one? Well, let’s say you desire a higher seating position and the practicality of a liftgate but wouldn’t be caught dead in an SUV or a wagon and have to have a BMW that still sort-of-a-little-bit looks like a regular car. If you fit in that mighty thin niche, the 5-series GT is your car.



2010 BMW 5-series Gran Turismo - First Drive Review - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver
 
AutoBild first drive: ... HERE





PROs: spaciousness, high level of comfort inside, very stable + comfortable ride, excellent materials + fit&finish, hi-tech features, upscale & airy interior atmosphere, versatility, excellent diesel engines, smooth & quick auto gearbox, effortless drive (good agility & handling), initially unconventional driving position height - which offer great view out.

CONTRAs: not very elegant rear end design, car is very big & very heavy, (for a BMW) too soft suspension in Comfort mode, compromised rear view due to small hatch window, high base prices.
 
If i am to rent a car abroad, this would be a serious choice.
 
Btw, $67,400 US base for F07 550i GT.
That's 12% premium over E60 550i sedan: $60,400
And very much in line with X6 xDrive50i: $66,650
 
Marcus ... again: if some model is selling extremely well accross the globe yet not so well in US that doesn't mean the car is a failure. It just isn't targeted primarily at US market. And therefore it's inappropriate for US-based journalist / customers to bitch about the car only because it's offered in their market. Yes, in some cases BMW (eg. 1er hatch ot The Touring models) may not even bring some models to US, and those models will still be a success in general.


Its a failure here, I don't care about and wasn't talking about globally. What part of that is so hard to comprehend? U.S. journalist can talk about whatever they want as it pertains to the U.S. market, who the hell are you to tell them that they can't. Man please. Do you tell the British and German journalist this when they go on and on about how American cars are such junk? NO of course not.


Yet when eg. cars like 1er hatch, X1, X6 etc are introduced usually the US media & people start the anti-campaign: since reasoning the car from their point of view only, forgetting the car also aims at millions around the globe not only to US. And not catering US taste does not equals being worthless / redundant / pointless. And ... I'm sure 5er GT will find some customers in US. Just like 5er Touring has.

Not worthless, pointless for the U.S. market. You keep trying to dance around that possibility, really ridiculous IMO. The U.S. media doesn't start any anti-campaign about anything, all they do is question how a certain product will fit in here. If you can't take that then too bad. How dare they question BMW's intentions right? What nonsense.

Yeah the 5GT will find some buyers, just like the R-Class did at first.

The world is not turning merely around US, you know. :t-cheers:

Nor does it revolve around BMW and their stupid CM.


Regarding X&: the car is selling extremely well - exceeding expectations. The only deviation is that it sells better in some other markets than US - where the sales are still OK ... but other markets are doing better. Much better. And as said: US gets one of the cheapest price X6 compared to other markets. And in many (especially small) markets X6 out sells X5. So don't BS about the isn't selling because being unpractical & too expensive. Unpractical & too expensive to whom? To you?

Guy come off the excuses. The X6 doesn't sell well here. Period. Will you admit that it doesn't sell up to expectations? Never. What in the world does the X6 being sold here for cheap relative to other markets have to do with anything when it still costs 60-90K USD and it is more expensive than the more practical X5? Again, this is where you don't get it. You're stuck in marketing la la land. The X6's price in other country is matterless when U.S. consumers go to look at and buy one. Most irrelevant fact ever about it being cheaper here than in some far off country or that it outsells the X5 in some smaller countries that have more money than they do sense.


Yes, I can see you starting arguing: only 40k people out of 6 billion bought the X6 - so the car is a huge failure. Or: 5er GT is selling way beyond 5er sedan & touring numbers ... so the people still prefer sedan & touring over GT ... therefore GT is a failure. You have absolutely no clue about the point of marketing, and how it really works. It's not just PR & propaganda / advertising.

40K out of 6 billion? BS. That isn't my point at all. You on the other hand have no clue about the real world and the people in it, at least in the U.S. market. Marking is just that, PR and propaganda/advertising. If not then what the hell is it when you try to sell a nearly irrelevant product in a certain market? You have to use some good old fashioned BS to build it up.


I'm done with you here ... Since it's really no point repeating same things all over again. We totally disagree on this issue. That's it. Period. :t-cheers:

Yep. Keep thinking that the X6 being cheaper and selling better than the X5 in some Arab country makes a difference here. Talk about having your head in the sand.


Yeah the 5GT will find some buyers here, and it probably looks a lot better in person so I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a hit, yet if it doesn't will you be able to admit that or will you point out that it sells better in another country to justify its relevance or lack thereof here in the U.S?


M
 
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OK, you've said it all.

Now we shall return on topic ... and debate about 5er GT fisrt drives. :t-cheers:
 
I think attitudes regarding certain types of vehicles are about to start changing. Here, the consious crowd does not want to be seen in a SUV and hybrids are not only for Green Peacers... small cars are hip... It is wonderful to see how fast this change has come, five years ago, things were really looking very different.

So, will the 5 GT, fit into this new playground? Well, it could tempt some shamefull SUV buyers. It could be attractive for those looking for something odd.

One thing is for sure, this will sell like hotcakes in China, even if they have the LWB 5-series sedan there.
 
I thought US is the biggest market for Japan and German car companies. :t-hands: Why not make a car for US market? Japanese go to great lenghts to customize cars for US market. In a recent survey in US, Lexus was rated #1 corporate car choice followed by MercBenz and then BMW.
 
I thought US is the biggest market for Japan and German car companies. :t-hands: Why not make a car for US market? Japanese go to great lenghts to customize cars for US market. In a recent survey in US, Lexus was rated #1 corporate car choice followed by MercBenz and then BMW.

Maybe German cars are so popular because they are not like American cars?

Otherwise, maybe the Germans should make market specific cars for the US, that way Europeans could get their cars more like they want and not some compromise. ;)
 
Frirst drive by CARmagazine:

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BMW 530d SE Gran Turismo (2009) CAR review

By Phil McNamara
09 September 2009 14:00


BMW’s pursuit of niches barely visible to the naked eye continues with the 5-series Gran Turismo. Based on 7-series mechanicals and sharing all its gadgets, the 5 GT is a high-roofed hatchback, with lots of space for rear passengers and their luggage. BMW says it mixes the rear legroom of a 7-series with an SUV’s more commanding seating position and additional headroom. Throw in a dash of swooping coupe roofline and the refinement and luxury of a grand tourer and you have the 5-series Gran Turismo. Or a complete dog’s dinner…?


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Verdict

This 5-series spin off is practical, quick, relatively agile and economical. With its luxury interior and superb comfort, the Gran Turismo is a suitable name too. And with the oily bits shared with the 5- and 7-series, BMW’s new niche model will no doubt wash its face. So long as customers understand it’s a sexier take on the MPV, rather than getting scared off by the saloon/coupé/SUV sales pitch. If you fear an SUV will make you a pariah and find a saloon too traditional, the 5 GT could be the car for you.

CAR's rating: **** (out of 5)


Fully story: BMW 530d SE Gran Turismo (2009) CAR review | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online
 
First drive by AutoExpress:




BMW 530d GT

Hatchback version of 5-Series seeks to mix SUV, estate and coupe into one package


Text: Dan Strong


Rating: **** / 5


It’s the ultimate challenge for any new car designer. Build a machine that has no natural rivals, breaks fresh ground in design and engineering and sets buyers imagination on fire…

It all sounds straightforward enough, yet the huge complexity of the new car market means that there is a problem…If you can think of it, the chances are, someone else is already building and selling it.

Not so the new 5-Series Gran Turismo says BMW. By distilling the very best of the firm’s most popular models, including coupe, estate and four-wheel drive SUVs, the firm has created the first truly mold-breaking vehicle of 2009.

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But there are further surprises. BMW’s Dynamic Drive Control offers three chassis settings including comfort, sport and sport plus. In comfort, the ride is almost magic carpet smooth – and to our mind, a step change in terms of its set up for BMW. The car puts refinement and smoothness at the core of its character - even in sport and sport plus modes.

On a winding road, the car remains involving to drive, though we would say there’s less steering feel than we have come to expect – and less immediacy of response from the controls. BMW’s argument is that this evolution is very deliberate – the firm aims to build a rounded, mature model in the 5-Series GT, creating a new benchmark for disparate rivals based on more than outright performance.

The good news is that despite this shift of focus, the Gran Turismo remains a mostly rewarding car to drive. But will families really take to the car in the way BMW hopes? With UK sales volumes expected to reach 2,000 units a year, the expectation is being carefully managed. However, there’s no doubt that what this car represents is crucial to the firm’s future – and from that perspective, it’s hard to underplay just how important each on those sales actually is.

First opinion:
Not as dramatic to look at as an X6, less impressive to drive than a 5-series – yet the 5-Series Gran Turismo still has more than enough appeal to face down its diverse opposition. A spacious cabin and practical boot helps, even if some developments such as the split tailgate and folding rear seats feel a bit gimmicky.


BMW 530d GT | First Drives | Car Reviews | Auto Express
 

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Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, abbreviated as BMW is a German multinational manufacturer of luxury vehicles and motorcycles headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany. The company was founded in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines, which it produced from 1917 to 1918 and again from 1933 to 1945.
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