5 Series (F10/F11/F07/F18) BMW F10 5er - press drives & reviews
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The BMW F10/F11/F07/F18 is the sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series, manufactured for model years 2010–2017. The body styles of the range are: 4-door sedan/saloon (F10), 5-door estate/wagon (F11, marketed as "Touring"), 5-door fastback (F07, marketed as "Gran Turismo"), and 4-door long wheelbase sedan (F18, sold only in China and the Middle East).
D
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You will take a petrol or a diesel ?
PanterroR
Lap Time Luminary
D
Deleted member 25
I thought your father cured you 
PanterroR
Lap Time Luminary
Cured...
I have this car for some time now, it's a monster, no doubt...
But still, it lacks the torque of my bi-turbo 535d and it cannot give that feeling while accelerating...
It's not over yet, maybe i'll change my mind when the time comes, but at the moment, it's a diesel...
If it's a 5 series, 99% a diesel, but i'm dying to buy that shit that can't go offroad, an X6 M...
We'll see though...
I have this car for some time now, it's a monster, no doubt...
But still, it lacks the torque of my bi-turbo 535d and it cannot give that feeling while accelerating...It's not over yet, maybe i'll change my mind when the time comes, but at the moment, it's a diesel...
If it's a 5 series, 99% a diesel, but i'm dying to buy that shit that can't go offroad, an X6 M...We'll see though...
south
Vorsprung Visionary
I heard they'll offer the engine of the X6 M in the 5 series soon.Cured...
...
We'll see though...
I wouldn't even mind your driving my dream car, and that says something. Best regards,
south
PanterroR
Lap Time Luminary
Lol, it's my dealer that knows my obsession with X6 M and he wants me to buy it... I doubt that will happen, but we'll see as i've said... A year more (next spring more or less) and i'll decide...
An X6 35d with all options would be just perfect, but maybe... i'll go for more than that.. Also, still have to drive the new 5er...
I doubt that will happen, but we'll see as i've said... A year more (next spring more or less) and i'll decide...An X6 35d with all options would be just perfect, but maybe... i'll go for more than that..
Also, still have to drive the new 5er...
klier
Premium
Yes, because it could have swung the other way around for absolutely no particular reason
Paris car show!
Yes, but in both of these pictures the car isn't turning (at least as far as I can tell) and still on the second picture the LED coronas on the left headlight look like they aren't switched on:
LED lights are difficult to get on normal camera;s sometime because they're not like normal lights they have a fast on/off sequence that you cant see by human eyes.. Sometime you have to adjust the camera shutter speed to capture it..
I have seen couple of videos of Bugatti veyron rear brakes light they have this issue too you feel that they are not working properly but thats the LED tech.
Yes when is the M-Pack coming for it in the U.S Market? Can we expect it sometime during the '11 MY?
If not, sadly it'll put the F10 off my list for sometime I think, as I plan to be looking for another car sooner than it will be avail (not to mention I refuse to buy brand new).
In SoCal at least, having a unique exterior Optioned 5'er/E-Class is a must for an enthusiast, unless you want to blend in with all the old lady's driving the same cars. Thankfully BMW isn't whoring out the M-Pack like M-B is the AMG Pack (I'll gladly pay a Premium for it, to have a more "Premier" version of a mass-produced Car). Even if I did love the 212, I couldn't get by the fact that I'd have an identical car (AMG styling and all) as everyone else.
If not, sadly it'll put the F10 off my list for sometime I think, as I plan to be looking for another car sooner than it will be avail (not to mention I refuse to buy brand new).
In SoCal at least, having a unique exterior Optioned 5'er/E-Class is a must for an enthusiast, unless you want to blend in with all the old lady's driving the same cars. Thankfully BMW isn't whoring out the M-Pack like M-B is the AMG Pack (I'll gladly pay a Premium for it, to have a more "Premier" version of a mass-produced Car). Even if I did love the 212, I couldn't get by the fact that I'd have an identical car (AMG styling and all) as everyone else.
Yes, because it could have swung the other way around for absolutely no particular reason
You don't have to tell me Klier. It just amazes me that people even post anything he says on here.
klier
Premium
Well for me personally: I don't care about his opinion at all, but I always like reading him and watching him. He IS an entertainer and it's always about cars, so that's enough for me to 'follow' him. But it doesn't mean we agree on things often
braaf
Stuttgart Specialist
Quite right Betty. But like Klier I couldn't care for Clarksons opinion about cars. He's just very funny.
ree
Kraftwagen König
TimesOnline: Jeremy Clarkson on the BMW 535i SE
Don't know, if this is a repost:
Most right-thinking people know that when all the oil has finally been spilt into the Gulf of Mexico, the world will turn to hydrogen for salvation. But right now hydrogen is complicated to use, difficult to distribute and expensive to make.
Much work needs to be done before it’s viable, but the green-eyed monster won’t wait. The green-eyed monster is impatient. It wants results now. So all car makers — even Ferrari — are being forced to adopt the short-term solution of hybrid technology. That means using a conventional engine to charge the batteries, which power a second motor that runs on electricity.
I know, I know, it’s stupid and wasteful, but I don’t make the rules. That’s the job of the green-eyed monster.
We’ve seen this before, of course, and not that long ago. Back in the Eighties, when Mrs Thatcher invented climate change as a weapon to fight the coal industry, the monster clamoured for catalytic converters to become law.
Ford and other car makers argued that given time they could make lean-burn technology work — engines that run almost entirely on air. But the monster wouldn’t wait. “No,” it shrieked. “You must stop carbon monoxide coming out of the exhaust pipe NOW!!!! It is making people in Birmingham stupid.”
So lean-burn research was abandoned and, with sagging shoulders, the car industry raped the world of all its platinum and shoved it up the exhaust pipes of all its cars.
Of course, it worked. Except that what a catalytic converter does is turn carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide. And the green-eyed monster has decided that this is the new peril. “You must stop with the carbon dioxide,” it shrieks. “It is killing all the polar bears, so you must make hybrids.”
Frankly, I’m surprised the car industry doesn’t just tell the monster to get lost but, deep down, I am beginning to suspect the engineers are secretly quite pleased that they’ve been given something to do.
Think about it. Ever since the Austin Seven laid out the basic template for what would become the modern car, everyone has known that there should be a wheel at each corner and an engine that mixes fuel and air, blows it up and ejects the waste gases. There’s only so much you can do, given those essential parameters.
It’s not like the delivery of music, where you have to replace your entire collection every 15 minutes. There’s been no cassette or eight-track or Mpeg moment in the car industry. Jenkins from Drivetrain Projects may complain about that as much as he likes — “Oh but sir ... can’t I use crystals and lemons and have nine wheels all on one side?” But he’ll always get the same reply. “Don’t be stupid, boy. Wheel at each corner; engine that sucks, squeezes, bangs and blows. Same as usual.”
Hybrid power is horrific, unimaginative, short-term, blinkered nonsense but it will unlock the creative juices in Jenkins and, to be selfish for a moment, give motoring journalists something interesting to write about for a change.
Let us take the BMW 535i as a classic example of the problem. The seats are pretty much perfect: they’re not too hard and not too soft and the side bolsters don’t dig into your kidneys but do provide just the right amount of support in the corners.
Then you have the engine. It may say 535 on the back but — probably because BMW’s marketing people wanted to experiment — it doesn’t actually have a 3.5-litre engine as you’d expect. It’s a turbocharged 3-litre six and it’s wonderful. Creamy smooth, powerful and as economical as can be: just what you’d expect, really, from a company that’s been doing the same thing over and over since Douglas Bader forced it to rethink its aircraft business.
Perhaps the most impressive part of this new car is the ride-and-handling compromise. It’s very difficult to make a big, heavy car such as this handle well and ride over bumps comfortably. In the same way as it’s very difficult to do a Fosbury flop. But if you practise enough ...
And, boy, have those Bee Em boffins been practising. Frankly, it’s hard to see how on earth it could be better, short of replacing the wheels with a Maglev system. I don’t know what that is either. It just sounds good.
Styling? Well, recently, under the stewardship of a chap called Chris Bangle, BMW did try to be different and do something new. Nobody liked its effort all that much so the new car is far more conventional. That said, the view down the bonnet is delightful. Most bonnets rise in the middle to hint at great power beneath — for an example of this, see the E-type Jag or David Beckham in those underpants commercials.
But the bonnet on the new 5-series dips. That should send out the message that it has nothing in its trousers. And yet it doesn’t. It looks elegant. Certainly, it is more elegant than Merc’s attempts to be different with the E-class. Those sculpted rear wheelarches just look silly.
See the problem here? Cars are now so bloody good and so well thought out that all there is to write about is a dipping bonnet or a crease in the rear wing.
And when it comes to finding fault? My God, you have to be picky. In the 5-series, I’m reduced to complaining that if I set the steering wheel where I like it, fully back and as high as possible, I can’t see the “range” read-out on the dash. Oh, and the electronic gearlever is a bit of a fiddle. Until you get used to it, which takes about three seconds.
In terms of electronics, there are some new things on the 5-series that I ought to mention. It has something called “efficient dynamics”, which is another way of saying, “We were bored.”
What it does varies from model to model, but on mine energy was taken from the brakes and put into the battery. Wow. That must increase the mpg figure by at least 0.00001. In addition, I had active steering (a £1,300 option) and DSC+, which includes ASC, CBC, DBC, DTC, EBD and a hairdryer on the brakes.
It also has a sat nav screen that shows a satellite view of the terrain through which you are driving. Some of my colleagues in the business have shown how desperate they are for something to say by claiming: “It’s a bit far away.” Far away from what, I wonder. The moon?
I like most of the gadgets. There are optional cameras that show you views from all around the car when you’re parking. Why? No idea. And there’s an equally optional head-up display, which, so far as I can see, is useful only in court. “Well you see, m’lud. I didn’t see the old lady because she was hidden behind my speedometer.”
This, I suppose, is the price we pay for messing around with a fundamental principle that’s been shown to work. If you start to get adventurous, you’re going to end up with a problem. That’s fine for motoring journalists — I certainly enjoyed tearing the dreadful BMW X1 apart recently — but for everyone else? No.
That’s going to be the future with hybrids. Lots of new stuff. Lots of new issues. And for what? So that the green-eyed monster can come along in five minutes and say, “No. You can’t have hybrids. They cause acid rain.” Which they do, incidentally.
So, if you have the wherewithal, I suggest you buy a 5-series. It’s the absolute best of absolutely everything we know. Unless you want a Jag, of course, because that is as well.
Clarkson’s verdict: basically, it’s a very, very good Austin Seven
Jeremy Clarkson BMW 535i SE review | Driving - Times Online
Don't know, if this is a repost:
Most right-thinking people know that when all the oil has finally been spilt into the Gulf of Mexico, the world will turn to hydrogen for salvation. But right now hydrogen is complicated to use, difficult to distribute and expensive to make.
Much work needs to be done before it’s viable, but the green-eyed monster won’t wait. The green-eyed monster is impatient. It wants results now. So all car makers — even Ferrari — are being forced to adopt the short-term solution of hybrid technology. That means using a conventional engine to charge the batteries, which power a second motor that runs on electricity.
I know, I know, it’s stupid and wasteful, but I don’t make the rules. That’s the job of the green-eyed monster.
We’ve seen this before, of course, and not that long ago. Back in the Eighties, when Mrs Thatcher invented climate change as a weapon to fight the coal industry, the monster clamoured for catalytic converters to become law.
Ford and other car makers argued that given time they could make lean-burn technology work — engines that run almost entirely on air. But the monster wouldn’t wait. “No,” it shrieked. “You must stop carbon monoxide coming out of the exhaust pipe NOW!!!! It is making people in Birmingham stupid.”
So lean-burn research was abandoned and, with sagging shoulders, the car industry raped the world of all its platinum and shoved it up the exhaust pipes of all its cars.
Of course, it worked. Except that what a catalytic converter does is turn carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide. And the green-eyed monster has decided that this is the new peril. “You must stop with the carbon dioxide,” it shrieks. “It is killing all the polar bears, so you must make hybrids.”
Frankly, I’m surprised the car industry doesn’t just tell the monster to get lost but, deep down, I am beginning to suspect the engineers are secretly quite pleased that they’ve been given something to do.
Think about it. Ever since the Austin Seven laid out the basic template for what would become the modern car, everyone has known that there should be a wheel at each corner and an engine that mixes fuel and air, blows it up and ejects the waste gases. There’s only so much you can do, given those essential parameters.
It’s not like the delivery of music, where you have to replace your entire collection every 15 minutes. There’s been no cassette or eight-track or Mpeg moment in the car industry. Jenkins from Drivetrain Projects may complain about that as much as he likes — “Oh but sir ... can’t I use crystals and lemons and have nine wheels all on one side?” But he’ll always get the same reply. “Don’t be stupid, boy. Wheel at each corner; engine that sucks, squeezes, bangs and blows. Same as usual.”
Hybrid power is horrific, unimaginative, short-term, blinkered nonsense but it will unlock the creative juices in Jenkins and, to be selfish for a moment, give motoring journalists something interesting to write about for a change.
Let us take the BMW 535i as a classic example of the problem. The seats are pretty much perfect: they’re not too hard and not too soft and the side bolsters don’t dig into your kidneys but do provide just the right amount of support in the corners.
Then you have the engine. It may say 535 on the back but — probably because BMW’s marketing people wanted to experiment — it doesn’t actually have a 3.5-litre engine as you’d expect. It’s a turbocharged 3-litre six and it’s wonderful. Creamy smooth, powerful and as economical as can be: just what you’d expect, really, from a company that’s been doing the same thing over and over since Douglas Bader forced it to rethink its aircraft business.
Perhaps the most impressive part of this new car is the ride-and-handling compromise. It’s very difficult to make a big, heavy car such as this handle well and ride over bumps comfortably. In the same way as it’s very difficult to do a Fosbury flop. But if you practise enough ...
And, boy, have those Bee Em boffins been practising. Frankly, it’s hard to see how on earth it could be better, short of replacing the wheels with a Maglev system. I don’t know what that is either. It just sounds good.
Styling? Well, recently, under the stewardship of a chap called Chris Bangle, BMW did try to be different and do something new. Nobody liked its effort all that much so the new car is far more conventional. That said, the view down the bonnet is delightful. Most bonnets rise in the middle to hint at great power beneath — for an example of this, see the E-type Jag or David Beckham in those underpants commercials.
But the bonnet on the new 5-series dips. That should send out the message that it has nothing in its trousers. And yet it doesn’t. It looks elegant. Certainly, it is more elegant than Merc’s attempts to be different with the E-class. Those sculpted rear wheelarches just look silly.
See the problem here? Cars are now so bloody good and so well thought out that all there is to write about is a dipping bonnet or a crease in the rear wing.
And when it comes to finding fault? My God, you have to be picky. In the 5-series, I’m reduced to complaining that if I set the steering wheel where I like it, fully back and as high as possible, I can’t see the “range” read-out on the dash. Oh, and the electronic gearlever is a bit of a fiddle. Until you get used to it, which takes about three seconds.
In terms of electronics, there are some new things on the 5-series that I ought to mention. It has something called “efficient dynamics”, which is another way of saying, “We were bored.”
What it does varies from model to model, but on mine energy was taken from the brakes and put into the battery. Wow. That must increase the mpg figure by at least 0.00001. In addition, I had active steering (a £1,300 option) and DSC+, which includes ASC, CBC, DBC, DTC, EBD and a hairdryer on the brakes.
It also has a sat nav screen that shows a satellite view of the terrain through which you are driving. Some of my colleagues in the business have shown how desperate they are for something to say by claiming: “It’s a bit far away.” Far away from what, I wonder. The moon?
I like most of the gadgets. There are optional cameras that show you views from all around the car when you’re parking. Why? No idea. And there’s an equally optional head-up display, which, so far as I can see, is useful only in court. “Well you see, m’lud. I didn’t see the old lady because she was hidden behind my speedometer.”
This, I suppose, is the price we pay for messing around with a fundamental principle that’s been shown to work. If you start to get adventurous, you’re going to end up with a problem. That’s fine for motoring journalists — I certainly enjoyed tearing the dreadful BMW X1 apart recently — but for everyone else? No.
That’s going to be the future with hybrids. Lots of new stuff. Lots of new issues. And for what? So that the green-eyed monster can come along in five minutes and say, “No. You can’t have hybrids. They cause acid rain.” Which they do, incidentally.
So, if you have the wherewithal, I suggest you buy a 5-series. It’s the absolute best of absolutely everything we know. Unless you want a Jag, of course, because that is as well.
Clarkson’s verdict: basically, it’s a very, very good Austin Seven
Jeremy Clarkson BMW 535i SE review | Driving - Times Online
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BMW 530d review
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The ultimate executive saloon? Henry Catchpole reports on the new BMW 5-Series
Text: Henry Catchpole / Photos: Henry Catchpole/BMW
April 2010
What is it?
New 2010 BMW 5-Series with a fast and frugal six-cylinder diesel. 0-62mph is dispatched in just 6.3sec and yet it will do 45.6mpg on the combined cycle. It costs £37,100.
Technical highlights?
This car has the new optional eight-speed automatic gearbox (priced at £1495 without paddles, £1605 with). This auto ‘box combined with BMW’s Efficient Dynamics package achieves a phenomenal CO2 rating of 160g/km.
What’s it like to drive?
The engine is as fantastic as you would expect. BMW has long produced brilliant diesel powerplants (a 330d was the first diesel ever to make it into an eCoty contest) and it pulls as smoothly and cleanly as ever.
The chassis is less impressive, however. This particular car has the basic 5 Series set up with standard passive dampers and unfortunately it feels like the compromise that it is. Grip is good and you can get a decently relaxed flow going down a smooth road, but over bumps there is a thumpiness and wallow that certainly doesn’t smack of ‘The Ultimate Driving Machine’. The speed-sensitive steering doesn’t have any feel either, which exacerbates the feeling of piloting a very big car (which it is) with slightly hard-to-place extremities. As Ollie said ‘it feels and behaves more like a 7-Series’.
It would seem that you need to spec the optional £965 adaptive dampers, and possibly add an extra £1255 for the adaptive anti-roll bars too, to make the 5-Series drive as you would wish.
How does it compare?
At £37,100 for a completey un-optioned 530d SE the BMW is sitting squarely in Jaguar XF territory. For £37,730 you could have a 271bhp XF Diesel S. You can see how it fared against the last generation 5 Series here. And unfortunately for BMW the Jaguar is the more desirable, quicker, more dynamic and more pleasurable car. The only place the BMW wins is on economy and CO2 output.
Anything else I need to know?
The map for the satellite navigation is very cool – a 3D topographical display appears as you zoom out.
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Though not the most complimentry of reviews there is a silver linning in the shape of the dynamic suspension option which is well worth the expense.
BMW 530d review
Rating:
The ultimate executive saloon? Henry Catchpole reports on the new BMW 5-Series
Text: Henry Catchpole / Photos: Henry Catchpole/BMW
April 2010
What is it?
New 2010 BMW 5-Series with a fast and frugal six-cylinder diesel. 0-62mph is dispatched in just 6.3sec and yet it will do 45.6mpg on the combined cycle. It costs £37,100.
Technical highlights?
This car has the new optional eight-speed automatic gearbox (priced at £1495 without paddles, £1605 with). This auto ‘box combined with BMW’s Efficient Dynamics package achieves a phenomenal CO2 rating of 160g/km.
What’s it like to drive?
The engine is as fantastic as you would expect. BMW has long produced brilliant diesel powerplants (a 330d was the first diesel ever to make it into an eCoty contest) and it pulls as smoothly and cleanly as ever.
The chassis is less impressive, however. This particular car has the basic 5 Series set up with standard passive dampers and unfortunately it feels like the compromise that it is. Grip is good and you can get a decently relaxed flow going down a smooth road, but over bumps there is a thumpiness and wallow that certainly doesn’t smack of ‘The Ultimate Driving Machine’. The speed-sensitive steering doesn’t have any feel either, which exacerbates the feeling of piloting a very big car (which it is) with slightly hard-to-place extremities. As Ollie said ‘it feels and behaves more like a 7-Series’.
It would seem that you need to spec the optional £965 adaptive dampers, and possibly add an extra £1255 for the adaptive anti-roll bars too, to make the 5-Series drive as you would wish.
How does it compare?
At £37,100 for a completey un-optioned 530d SE the BMW is sitting squarely in Jaguar XF territory. For £37,730 you could have a 271bhp XF Diesel S. You can see how it fared against the last generation 5 Series here. And unfortunately for BMW the Jaguar is the more desirable, quicker, more dynamic and more pleasurable car. The only place the BMW wins is on economy and CO2 output.
Anything else I need to know?
The map for the satellite navigation is very cool – a 3D topographical display appears as you zoom out.
_____________________________________________________________
Though not the most complimentry of reviews there is a silver linning in the shape of the dynamic suspension option which is well worth the expense.
Two and a half stars? Oh dear.
ree
Kraftwagen König
Yep…probably the writer/driver had a bad day…
…even Clarkson gave a better verdict.
fortuner
Autotechnik Ace
I saw my first 5 in real two days back a silver..with black interior from far i saw it i thaught very much a 3er.when i was close i saw it was different car and it looks nice but very blandish at the same time.Its by no means a car anyone can call ugly but i think BMW could have done much much better or been more aggressive.I preder the E anyday in terms off design
But this is all coming from the stock suspension which was exactly how I found the new 5er, great with the adaptive suspension and not so great without it.
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