Poll 2017 BMW 5-series vs 2017 MB E-class design comparison

[GusSingh]

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E Class Easy For me especially after sitting in the new 7 today.

Front i think the E class lights dont look perfect so for front i take the 5 series although it also is not perfect but its better then E in pics.

Side without a doubt the E..Saw the 7 today that hockey stick thing looks wierd.Also the previous 5 i think had better side profile.

Rear easy the E for me.

Interior the E class is on a different level let me explain i know some fans may have a go at me but this is from my sitting in the 7 today.E class switches is superior to the 7 example the side window button on 7 feel thin compared the the c class let alone E class.The general switches like on the steering and the centre console feel that bit better on the E then the 7 to me.

Also the screens on the E is on a different level then the 7 way way superior the display and the look.

The 7 has gesture control which is cool tech and i did like the extra option of touch screen.

Overall they both cars that serve their clients but for me the E is a superior car in terms of interior by a handsome margin.

exterior the E needs better headlights the rest is great.

I wud add that a touch screen sis a recipe for accidents!

 

[Zafiro]

100 votes for BMW and 70 votes for MB. Nice numbers!

 

[Laurent T]

For some reason, I find BMWs more attractive in photos than in person.

Conversely, I find Mercedes more attractive in person than in photos.

Can't tell yet for the 5 series. But after seeing today a gorgeous E Class with AMG Pack and in black paint, I must say that this car is far more sexier and attractive in the flesh. Was really classy and gorgeous with a lot of charisma.

 

[domleo999]

The C pillars really change the whole look of the car

 

[GTA45E]

If you had any idea about the timeframes in developing a car you would not have said something as silly.
Almost everything regarding design is silly when you say it, but at least in this case I can safely say you're blatantly wrong.

^Dumb post

You either don't know how to read correctly or simply connect the dots.
The BMW Vision Luxury Concept, despite its debut time was developed to give ideas about the design changes
on the latest 7 and 5-series sedans without giving away too much on the production models. (This was the idea for the
Audi Prologue, who was also developed a couple year ahead of the production A8, A6 models. The word here is "Vision"
These abstract concept were probably developed during or after design freezes.
I frankly don't give a rat's butt of your opinion regarding my views.You tend to through useless trash on the table and expect
logical answers. Pure nonsense.

 

[Gianclaudio]

My design preference:

1: Tie between 5er and Volvo S90
2: Maserati Ghibli
3: Audi A6
4: E class
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Jaguar XF, Caddy, and miles behind Lexus and Infiniti crap designs.

 

[Centurion]

Can't tell yet for the 5 series. But after seeing today a gorgeous E Class with AMG Pack and in black paint, I must say that this car is far more sexier and attractive in the flesh. Was really classy and gorgeous with a lot of charisma.

Mercedes really flipped the coin this time around.

The new E-Class emphasises form while the G30, similar to the W212 E-class, champions sheet metal surfacing and head/tail unit designs.

BMW and Mercedes design approaches that are very much polar opposites.

 

[hovabongZA]

When are the first test drives for the benchmark coming ?

 

[klier]

^Dumb post

You either don't know how to read correctly or simply connect the dots.
The BMW Vision Luxury Concept, despite its debut time was developed to give ideas about the design changes
on the latest 7 and 5-series sedans without giving away too much on the production models. (This was the idea for the
Audi Prologue, who was also developed a couple year ahead of the production A8, A6 models. The word here is "Vision"
These abstract concept were probably developed during or after design freezes.
I frankly don't give a rat's butt of your opinion regarding my views.You tend to through useless trash on the table and expect
logical answers. Pure nonsense.

Delusional. Nothing new.

 

[GTA45E]

Delusional. Nothing new.

Delusional?
Here it is in plain English. Nothing delusional about my points at all.


Next BMW 7-series previewed in Vision Future Luxury concept

BMW has previewed key exterior styling elements, contemporary interior design touches, lightweight carbon fiber construction and innovative lighting systems to be incorporated on next year's sixth-generation 7-series with the unveiling of an arresting new concept car that goes under the name Vision Future Luxury.

Revealed at the Beijing auto show, the big new sedan is described as a showcase for future BMW models. But while initial speculation suggested the Vision Future Luxury pointed at a possible 9-series flagship model to be installed at the top of the German car maker's lineup, BMW officials have confirmed the new concept was created more specifically as a pointer to the next 7-series, which is planned to head into North American showrooms late next year.

“The BMW Vision Future Luxury is the messenger of our philosophy of modern luxury,” says Karim Habib, head of BMW design, adding, “It takes our thinking a stage further.”

auto week

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The Prologue by Audi (pictured) was arguably the most talked about new release from the Los Angeles motor show. It still looked like an Audi, but so much sleeker and nicer that people took notice and began to ask questions.
Autocar, we know. It will be the next A8, according to the firm’s technical chief, Ulrich Hackenberg.

He announced that the next-gen A8 would be the first ground-up design by the firm’s new design boss, March Lichte. "I gave Marc his first job of designing the new A8, and the Prologue concept is a trailer for that. This concept is the next step of Audi design. The new A8 will launch by the

car scoops

 

[vios1]

Both the E-Class and the 5 series are great and with improvement. At first, once the 5 series released I got my choice to the 5 Series, now my vote go to the E-class.

The reason from my opinion is the 5 series definitely gives me a WOW effect when I first looked at it but after awhile it looked boring to me. It is just an enchancement from the previous model with similar design direction ( which is good for BMW traditional design trademark) but really not my cup of tea after seeing it awhile.

The E-class would be revolution from previous model in terms of design and technology. The design is growing on me. But one thing I really do not like about the E-class is the front end, the front headlights is the weakest point to my eyes.

Just my own opinion, both are great cars for individual liking and preferance. Cheers!

 

[Eng.ahad]

The E-class would be revolution from previous model in terms of design and technology. The design is growing on me. But one thing I really do not like about the E-class is the front end, the front headlights is the weakest point to my eyes.

Just my own opinion, both are great cars for individual liking and preferance. Cheers!

I have to disagree with you about the headlights, at first when I saw the Multi-led beam lights in release pictures, I felt they are adding weak character to the car, however when I saw them in real, I had no doubt that it is the most beautiful and sophisticated headlights in all Mercedes cars, there are too many lines that cannot be captured with photos (3D lines everywhere), you will understand what I mean when you see them ON, in addition the way they move when you start the car and the way they open the road for you is just amazing, it is like curtain opening.


Going back to the 5 Vs E topic, I really love the BMW exterior design, also I like how well designed and sophisticated is the interior. I dislike 5 series the rear lights thought, I feel they were little bit lazy about them, maybe I will change my mind if I see one.

The E class interior is on another level, the exterior is amazing but I will always dislike how the C/E/S looks similar, any MB fan can easily recognize the difference but I feel it will harder for non MB fans.

Both cars are great and the best in their segment, but I will vote for the E because I feel it is more evolutionary. Let us see how the BMW drives although I know how the E class drives and it is outstanding

 

[tristatez28lt1]

@Matski quick question: Could you add the CTS or Ghibli into your legendary montage? I'd be curious to see how the not so regular cars stack up against the germans.

 

[klier]

@Matski quick question: Could you add the CTS or Ghibli into your legendary montage? I'd be curious to see how the not so regular cars stack up against the germans.

In another thread would be better I think...

 

[Matski]

@Matski quick question: Could you add the CTS or Ghibli into your legendary montage? I'd be curious to see how the not so regular cars stack up against the germans.

I'll perhaps have a look later. Working on about 20 things at the moment, and I can't remember if I saved it before, or even which computer it was on! One of these days I'm going to get organizized.

 

[Frankie G]

I love this picture from the test, brilliant proportions of the 5er

 

[JLBM]

BMW 5-series (2017) review

The new BMW 5-series. The seventh generation of BMW’s longest-serving, best-selling model – the very heart of the brand. Codenamed G30, it is everything you’d expect of a modern premium exec: lighter, faster, more efficient and loaded with kit, including proto-autonomous tech. But it’s still more than the sum of these parts.

The 2017 5-series launches in February, with prices starting at £36,025. At this point, however, we’ve only been able to test the considerably more expensive 540i and the 530d – and the latter only in combination with xDrive. One of these is very good. The other is borderline brilliant.

Give me data
Okay. This is a new platform – but not the same platform as the 7-series. There’s no carbon core here, just high-tensile steel, aluminium and magnesium. Every exterior panel is aluminium now, part of a package of savings that shave up to 100kg off the kerbweight compared to the preceding 5-series, despite a lot of extra on-board kit.

The exterior appearance is a clear evolution: similar proportions, but more tightly honed in every respect. Neat details include the black ‘ribbon’ across the front that’s supposed to be reminiscent of the full-width grilles of very early 5ers, and the way the lines of the Hofmeister kink are continued towards the front via the bodywork. It looks much better in the metal than the pictures, but is best in lighter metallic shades that show off the surfacing.

The only proportional change is to the roofline, which has a pronounced hoop for more of a coupe look without compromising interior headroom; you sit low in the new 5-series, and it feels spacious front and rear. Enlarged kidney grilles contain more effective active aero shutters, and all models get LED headlights as standard.

The engines are from BMW’s modular family, which means they’re not new for the G30, but do get the inevitable boost in both bhp and fuel economy. The average is 10% more performance and 11% greater efficiency.

What about standard equipment and tech?
The basic specification comes with more equipment than any rival’s entry-point, while the tech on the options list heads rapidly towards 7-series territory and sets up camp there; just about the only significant thing you can’t get on the 5er that you can on the 7er is air suspension (frankly: so what), and it’s the 5-series that debuts BMW’s new Driving Assistant Plus package – a whole suite of semi-autonomous aids.

Flashy extras include the Display Key with built-in screen, gesture control, Bowers & Wilkins hifi (jazzily illuminated speakers included; the sound stage seemed a bit narrow to our cloth ears, though) and a head-up display with a 70% larger viewing area. Plus the inevitable active chassis upgrades – including variable adaptive damping, anti-roll stabilisation and four wheel steering.

What’s the new 5-series like to drive?
Alanis Morissette’s got nothing on BMW. At the launch for the primary product of a brand so heavily associated with rear-wheel drive, the only rear-wheel drive model available to drive – the 540i – isn’t actually going to be available with rear-wheel drive in the UK.

Yep, the right-hand drive 540i is xDrive only. It’s also going to account for just a tiny fraction of UK sales, so is largely irrelevant. Still, you’d expect a 335bhp 3.0-litre straight-six turbo with 332lb ft targeting its rear tyres to be more entertaining than a four-wheel drive, 261bhp diesel, right? So we had a go anyway.

It’s very good. Every launch car was equipped with adaptive variable-rate dampers and Integral Active Steering (the four-wheel steer system), and so specced the 540i will cover ground with startling alacrity – 0-62mph takes just 4.8sec, and the combo of a standard-fit eight-speed auto and a torque graph that flatlines its maximum 1380-5200rpm means you’re never left waiting for additional urgency for long.

But it’s also strangely undramatic. All that turbo means the engine doesn’t sound – or feel – very exciting, and the chassis is so fantastically well-sorted that corners disappear in a blur that your heartrate hardly registers. We actually found it more entertaining with the suspension set to Comfort (due to the additional body movement…) yet more cossetting in Sport (for the opposite reason); either way, the optional 19-inch rims challenge the damping just enough to ruffle the 540i’s otherwise enduring air of calm.

What about the 530d, then?
The 530d, on the other hand, appears to be an utter tour de force. Three litres of six-cylinder diesel may not match the petrol’s headline power, but it produces 457lb ft – and sounds better inside. Stamp your foot, and it’s like being smacked up the backside by a velvety baseball bat, impact underpinned by the sensationally effective xDrive system.

Even with four-wheel drive, four-wheel steering and enough rain to make Noah nervous, at no point did we detect torque being shuffled or suddenly alterations of the steering angle. The software calibration is just magnificent in this respect, delivering massive traction, scythe-sharp cornering and somehow a bigger grin than the 540i can muster. And although the steering isn’t especially feelsome, there’s no dead spot or nervousness around the centre at all, and the way it loads up as you dig into a turn builds huge confidence.

Then there’s the ride quality. On 18-inch wheels, the adaptive dampers (Dynamic Damper Control in BMW parlance) soak up bumps in a manner that almost beggars belief. We found ourselves aiming at potholes and sunken drain covers and giggling every single time, as the car absorbed the impact with barely a shudder or ripple – Comfort or Sport, it hardly matters.

Apparently, while the overall structure of the new 5 isn’t much stiffer than the old 5, the critical load paths that help isolate the suspension have been significantly strengthened. You can tell. The 530d’s chassis makes the equivalent Mercedes E-Class feel like it’s made out of tin.

How’s the interior?
It’s very ‘BMW evolved’ inside – so perhaps doesn’t quite have the wow factor of the Merc’s dramatic curves. But the shift to a free-standing display screen has done wonders to increase the sense of spaciousness and, with the exception of some slightly cheap feeling twisty knobs, the quality and detailing are outstanding. Parts of the trim are laser-scanned so that abutting areas can be specifically cut to match their exact profile. On every individual car. For instance.

All of the tech works, too. Gesture control reacts faster and more consistently than it does in the 7-series, iDrive has been tweaked for (optional) touchscreen-friendliness, and the bigger HUD supplies an extended amount of useful information, including the up-coming speed limit in addition to the current one. The massaging seats really mean it.

Driving Assistant Plus adds the ability to change lanes using only the indicator, amongst other moderate self-driving tricks. Honestly, though, the 5-series is so satisfying and fuss-free to batter along motorways that we can’t imagine many owners will bother. You could smash continents in this thing and get out at the other end ready to negotiate the end of days with Putin. It is super stable, super comfy.

Verdict: buy the 530d xDrive
We don’t get to try the real big seller of the 5-series range – the 520d – until February.

But if you’ve got the cash, go straight for the 530d xDrive. It feels lithe and insistently eager, with thumping heavyweight punch. Yet it’s so smooth and so supple from a ride quality perspective it out-luxes the 7-series, while the traction and power-deployment gives you that escape-the-apocalypse confidence of a really good SUV – without the bodyroll. A superiority complex with a key and a starter button.

Price when new: £45,965
On sale in the UK: February 2017
Engine: 530d: 2993cc 24v variable-geometry TwinPower turbodiesel straight-six, 261bhp 4000rpm, 457lb ft @2000-2500rpm
Transmission: Eight-speed auto, four-wheel drive (xDrive model)
Performance: 530d xDrive: 5.4sec 0-62mph, 155mph (electronically limited), 56.5-52.3mpg, 132-142g/km CO2
Weight / material: 1770kg (530d xDrive SE) / aluminium, steel
Dimensions (length/width/height in mm): 4936/1868/1479

So the new 5er is probably better than the 7er in every respect except space. Fantastic product! Fantastic review.

 

[Zafiro]

I love this picture from the test, brilliant proportions of the 5er

Why is the picture so small when you can get these?

 

[klier]

I made a small compilation of the first side by side shots I've seen:

 

[klier]

Some more: