Hows that? If Hamilton wins, and Massa comes second or third, then Massa still can take it. I just hope Kubica wins it. That would be brilliant.
F1 2008 Japanese Grand Prix
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Hows that? If Hamilton wins, and Massa comes second or third, then Massa still can take it. I just hope Kubica wins it. That would be brilliant.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
If Hamilton finish 6 points clear of Massa next week, then he becomes the world champion of 2008. Off course he would need to keep his head straight and have some nice luck for that to happen, but everything is possible. But Hamilton will have to finish on podium since and try and end the championship there since his nerves aren't strong enough to handle the pressure that would be imposed up on him if Brazil becoming a shown down. We all saw how shaky he was there last year making a highly nervous start off the line. Just like last year he's in the lead and pretty much THE winner of this season and the championship is all for him to lose.
But I do believe that Massa deserved a stop-and-go for hitting Hamilton because that completely wrecked Hamilton race. Massa gained a lot for that and IMO it could have been avoided by him simply lifting off the throttle, cutting the chicane and giving the position back to Hamilton. Therefor I hope he'll be stripped off his point by FIA in their ruling for his collision with Sebass. Its almost as if Massa intended to do a pit maneuver on Hamilton, he ploughed straight into him. A demotion for the next race isn't fully necessary but at least getting stripped off his 1 point should be minimum.
modena_360stradale
Autobahn Adventurer
If Massa hadn't plowed into Hamilton, he and Hamilton would have had a chance to win the race. If Massa had come 1st, and Hamilton 2nd or 3rd, he'd be closer to winning overall than he is now.
Not to mention, instead of Hamilton and Massa moving up in points and increasing their lead, now other drivers have closed in on both of them
modena_360stradale
Autobahn Adventurer
Here's the start of the race if anyone wants to relive it again. It's not in English, unfortunately:
bmwownage
Kraftkurve King
I question whether Hamilton deserves the penalty. What the hell? This is even worse than Montoya - Schumacher era. Montoya were given stupid penalties like the one in Malaysia 2002, but in Austria 2002 (i think), Montoya, similar to hamilton, had the inside line and he tried to outbrake Schumacher, and he absolutely missed the braking point, pushing Schumacher out of track as well, there was no penalty. Furthermore, isn't Hamilton fully allow to do it anyway even if he intend to push Raikonnen out? I remember races I watched before when people exit hair pin, and a car is trying to pass from the outside, the guy in the inside can do a wide exit and force the guy outside to yield, unless he is within 3/4 car lengths or something? I mean, Raikonnen had the option to brake earlier and actually get back to the inside of Hamilton and let Hamilton outbrake himself.
I mean, what rule gave Hamilton this penalty? It was not an intention to gain advantage, it was a mistake. It's like, if someone make an accident spin on the track that affected the results of two other cars, the guy who spun will be penalised.. why don't they penalise those who cause safety car sessions? all the safety car sessions hurt and benefit different drivers significalty.
As for Massa's hit, that seemed more intentional, from his angle he MUST know hamilton was there, and it's just frustrating to watch the ferrari mechanic going 'YES' when Massa took hamilton out...
On the mclaren side, what's up with Kovalainen? Sure this time it was an engine failure, but he has been slow for one reason or another every race.. the most embarassing one must be Monza where a Torro Roso was pulling away from him..
I mean, what rule gave Hamilton this penalty? It was not an intention to gain advantage, it was a mistake. It's like, if someone make an accident spin on the track that affected the results of two other cars, the guy who spun will be penalised.. why don't they penalise those who cause safety car sessions? all the safety car sessions hurt and benefit different drivers significalty.
As for Massa's hit, that seemed more intentional, from his angle he MUST know hamilton was there, and it's just frustrating to watch the ferrari mechanic going 'YES' when Massa took hamilton out...
On the mclaren side, what's up with Kovalainen? Sure this time it was an engine failure, but he has been slow for one reason or another every race.. the most embarassing one must be Monza where a Torro Roso was pulling away from him..
Bartek S.
Aerodynamic Ace
Bourdais loses points over Massa clash
Toro Rosso’s Sebastien Bourdais has had 25 seconds added to his Japanese Grand Prix race time as penalty for making contact with Ferrari’s Felipe Massa. The stewards’ decision drops Bourdais from sixth to 10th in the results and elevates Massa to seventh.
Bourdais was rejoining the race after his second pit stop on lap 50 when Massa attempted to pass around the outside at Turn One. The pair made contact, tipping the Brazilian into a spin. Massa subsequently continued, finishing in eighth place.
The penalty means Bourdais’ team mate Sebastian Vettel moves up to sixth place ahead of Massa, while Red Bull’s Mark Webber picks up a point for eighth. It also means Lewis Hamilton’s championship lead over Massa is cut to just five points.
Bartek S.
Aerodynamic Ace
Again great decisions from FIA. Hamilton did not deserve penalty, Boudrais didn’t do anything wrong to be penalised and I don’t understand why Massa was not penalised for crossing white line from pit stop when he passed Webber. FIA is doing everything impossible to have Massa as champion. They definitely hate Hami. 
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
Hamilton would most likely have received more just a drive-through if he had hit Massa like that. Not only that but Sebass was a victim of Massa as well. FIA keeps giving Massa and Ferrari a helping hand. If Massa and Ferrari takes everything home, the vicstories would be tainted. They've gone too far now.
VroomVroom
Autotechnik Ace
justanthony
Highway Hunter
Seriously Hami will need to grow up! Its not just going all out all John Blaze! Does he even remember last year?? For sure he has shown the most'attitude' to win this year, but you ask any of the winners and they'll tell you winning the title takes more than raw talent and heart. There are plaenty of guys with talent on the grid.
The way this race went, he should have practically wrapped it up today. And he cooks it!. Whatever happens later in the race... he cooked it at the start! Massa and the FIA shouldn't even have been factors. ANd speaking about FIA, they're becoming comical now. I think they've decided to throw credibility out the window and just say **** Hami, youre not winning! Its a f..king joke right now! lol
Hamilton still should win it, but with brains in the next 2 races..
The way this race went, he should have practically wrapped it up today. And he cooks it!. Whatever happens later in the race... he cooked it at the start! Massa and the FIA shouldn't even have been factors. ANd speaking about FIA, they're becoming comical now. I think they've decided to throw credibility out the window and just say **** Hami, youre not winning! Its a f..king joke right now! lol
Hamilton still should win it, but with brains in the next 2 races..
A driver can squeeze another car off the line, but not off the track, and squeezing is different to a full on brake lockup. Hamilton was too aggressive at the 1st braking point, locked up and pushed Kimi off the track. The thing is, Hamilton's car wasn't even turning, it just went straight and blocked off Kimi's road. Kimi didn't have the option of braking behind Hamilton and get back on track because Kovalainen was there as well.
As for Lewis's incident with Massa, they both knew there were only so much space available on the track, Massa should have slowed a bit more and let Lewis through and Lewis should have known Massa might cut across the corner and leave it a bit more space on the track. Massa's drive through penalty is fair.
Can't really comment on the Massa and Bourdais incident. Need more camera angle to decide if the penalty is right or not. I think it is a bit harsh right now.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
I don't agree. Massa decided to brake late getting into the corner in order to keep up with Lewis. Hamilton had comfortably passed Massa and obviously the Brazilian didn't want to accept that and climbed the chicane trying to ambitiously try to squzee himself in between Hamilton and the curb. IMO he should have given up the battle since he had clearly lost it. The overtaking atempt was just as silly as the one Alonso did on Heidfeld in Monaco. In other words Massa could easily have avoided the collision by giving up the fight he had already lost or simply going straight over the curb rather than driving straight into Hamilton. That is why I believe that he deserved more than just a drive-through.
Yes Alonso is probably driving at his best ever. It is rare to have a driver winning in a 2nd rate car by merit, but Alonso did it, much like Schumacher back in his early Ferrari days. Kubica fought hard and drove well to resist the attacks from Kimi.
Yes, Massa could have easily avoided the collision, and Massa was clearly the one at fault, no argument there
. I am not saying Lewis should have left some more space for Massa, but he should just leave more space for himself so even if Massa did what he did, Lewis can escape the front wheels of Massa. Not all drivers play fair and Lewis should prepare for Massa taking a risky move. It is like driving on normal roads, you have to take precautions and account for other people's stupidity.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
The difference is that not all drivers have FIA on their side. Hamilton did everything right. Why should he had given Massa more space when he had fully overtaken him?? Massa cut the chicane and tried to magically appear Hamilton who had already won the battle. To put more salt into the wound FIA penalised Sebass handing Massa another point. Another punch in the face by the stewards. Sadly F1 is not a democracy and there's no unbiased body that Mclaren can turn to for disputing cases.
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