F1 2008 Chinese Grand Prix

[MikeJ]

I'd hate to see Hamilton win the championship. I think that any driver needs to endure several seasons of crap to be worthy of the title.

 

[modena_360stradale]

yes but isn't that too obvious?

Yeah, but 'proving' Raikkonen let Massa pass would be pretty hard. Who's to say Raikkonen really didn't 'accidentally' brake too early?

But we can guess what really happened

 

[VroomVroom]

I'd hate to see Hamilton win the championship. I think that any driver needs to endure several seasons of crap to be worthy of the title.

Anyone deserves to win the championship not matter how long they have been racing for, and I do think Hamilton deserves to win it after what he has been through.

 

[Remy Zero]

i don't think any of the Ferraris were on the same level as the Mclaren today. they were struggling to match the pace of Hammi since practice. either that, or it's part of Bernie's script to ensure an exciting finale.

 

[justanthony]

@ Mike J: Were you being serious in your post? Hamilton (the best driver this year) shouldnt win it because he hasnt endured many 'years of crap'??

On another note, its funny how people talk about pressure getting to Lewis (which is becos he's expected to win it anyway) but what about Felipe? Where's the driver who was blowing away his team mate by up to 7/10ths in quali with similar fuel? I was suprised to see Massa actually pit before Kimi in the race. Even in Japan he was outqualified by Kimi and HAmi. Not sure the last time i saw a great Massa performance. Though he does lead well from the front..

 

[SKY]

@ Mike J: Were you being serious in your post? Hamilton (the best driver this year) shouldnt win it because he hasnt endured many 'years of crap'??

On another note, its funny how people talk about pressure getting to Lewis (which is becos he's expected to win it anyway) but what about Felipe? Where's the driver who was blowing away his team mate by up to 7/10ths in quali with similar fuel? I was suprised to see Massa actually pit before Kimi in the race. Even in Japan he was outqualified by Kimi and HAmi. Not sure the last time i saw a great Massa performance. Though he does lead well from the front..

I think he is refering to the fact that Hamilton had all done since he was 8 and signed a contract with McLaren. Another pilots, with the same level, started at Minardi, at Benetton, and more recently at Toro Rosso.

 

[justanthony]

I think he is refering to the fact that Hamilton had all done since he was 8 and signed a contract with McLaren. Another pilots, with the same level, started at Minardi, at Benetton, and more recently at Toro Rosso.

lol. OK. So he shouldn't win the title in that case? C'mon skysony i know u dont really think that

 

[SKY]

lol. OK. So he shouldn't win the title in that case? C'mon skysony i know u dont really think that

He is going to win the title, because he is an excellent pilot and has the best car of this season. But would Hamilton do with a Renault? That is what he is saying I think.

But of course Hamilton has an impressive talent, nobaody (incluiding me) is puting that in doubt.

 

[justanthony]

He is going to win the title, because he is an excellent pilot and has the best car of this season. But would Hamilton do with a Renault? That is what he is saying I think.

But of course Hamilton has an impressive talent, nobaody (incluiding me) is puting that in doubt.

Yes i agree with you. But in the same vein would Massa do the same with a renault? Its not like everything has been smooth for Hamilton this season (if it was he would already be champion by now). But you make the best of what you have. Kova has the same car and is only..... 7th in the standings

 

[MikeJ]

@ Mike J: Were you being serious in your post? Hamilton (the best driver this year) shouldnt win it because he hasnt endured many 'years of crap'??

I was being fully serious. I'd much rather see Massa take the title this year. There's no doubt that Hamilton is a great driver (whether he's the best is debatable), but I feel that everything has come too easily for him. I don't think he's quite the miracle man the media hype wants us to believe - he's just enjoyed both good management (and good luck) more than most of the drivers. He definitely deserves to win the title at some point, but not quite yet.

 

[justanthony]

I was being fully serious. I'd much rather see Massa take the title this year. There's no doubt that Hamilton is a great driver (whether he's the best is debatable), but I feel that everything has come too easily for him. I don't think he's quite the miracle man the media hype wants us to believe - he's just enjoyed both good management (and good luck) more than most of the drivers. He definitely deserves to win the title at some point, but not quite yet.

OK buddy. But out of curiousity im wondering if Massa has 'bad' management and evil luck (which would be suprising considering all the err...assisFIAtance he's got this season)

 

[Bartek S.]

what penalty to give to hamilton this time? haha

He can get penalty for winning a race.
Everything is possible. Congrats to Hami, great win, I’m wondering way there is no penalty for Ferrari for fixing race.

 

[Bartek S.]

PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS

The Chinese Grand Prix
Shanghai International Circuit, China;
56 laps; 305.066km;
Weather: Cloudy.

Classified:

Pos Driver Team Time
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1h31.57.403
2. Massa Ferrari (B) + 14.925
3. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) + 16.445
4. Alonso Renault (B) + 18.370
5. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) + 28.923
6. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) + 33.219
7. Glock Toyota (B) + 41.722
8. Piquet Renault (B) + 56.645
9. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 1:04.339
10. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) + 1:14.842
11. Barrichello Honda (B) + 1:25.061
12. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) + 1:30.847
13. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 1:31.457
14. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) + 1:32.422
15. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) + 1 lap
16. Button Honda (B) + 1 lap
17. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari (B) + 1 lap

Fastest lap: Hamilton, 1:36.325

Not classified/retirements:

Driver Team On lap
Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 50
Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 14
Trulli Toyota (B) 3

 

[Bartek S.]

World Championship standings, round 17:

Drivers:
1. Hamilton 94
2. Massa 87
3. Kubica 75
4. Raikkonen 69
5. Heidfeld 60
6. Alonso 53
7. Kovalainen 51
8. Vettel 30
9. Trulli 30
10. Glock 22
11. Webber 21
12. Piquet 19
13. Rosberg 17
14. Barrichello 11
15. Nakajima 9
16. Coulthard 8
17. Bourdais 4
18. Button 3

Constructors:
1. Ferrari 156
2. McLaren-Mercedes 145
3. BMW Sauber 135
4. Renault 72
5. Toyota 52
6. Toro Rosso-Ferrari 34
7. Red Bull-Renault 29
8. Williams-Toyota 26
9. Honda 14

 

[SKY]

Yes i agree with you. But in the same vein would Massa do the same with a renault? Its not like everything has been smooth for Hamilton this season (if it was he would already be champion by now). But you make the best of what you have. Kova has the same car and is only..... 7th in the standings

Ye, Massa is in Ferrari as I can be on the Russian ballet, everyboday knows that. Perhaps it is usefull that your manager is Jean todt´s son to be in Ferrari, but perhaps only, xD.

 

[MikeJ]

OK buddy. But out of curiousity im wondering if Massa has 'bad' management and evil luck (which would be suprising considering all the err...assisFIAtance he's got this season)

Not 'bad' per se, but I feel Hamilton has been managed differently from other drivers, more like a media figure than a racing driver in the traditional sense. It's like he's Lewis Hamilton - A Nice Guy™.

 

[justanthony]

Not 'bad' per se, but I feel Hamilton has been managed differently from other drivers, more like a media figure than a racing driver in the traditional sense. It's like he's Lewis Hamilton - A Nice Guy™.

Buddy, EVERYONE who's in the media spotlight has a bit of PR about them, whatever that PR wants to portray. Is that reason why he shouldn't win the drivers title? Or at least this year as you say??
Personally, I wouldnt even say i like him, per se. But he's been the best driver this year. Lets not forget (management or not) he should even really have won it LAST YEAR!

 

[LaArtist]

Massa:

"The final part was the best one for me and I caught Kimi and passed him so that was the good part of the race, but it was not enough because we are fighting with McLarens and today one was in front but at least we finished second and third," he went on. "For the drivers' championship it wasn't fantastic but for the constructors' championship it was very good."


Is he trying to say that he really 'caught' kimi instead of kimi slowing to let him pass?

Lol if any of you saw the press conferance..you would have seen how ******* ugly this answer looked in real life..
It was like watching an animal die live on tv...
Atleast Kimi had the decency to laugh about it

PS
Lewis rocked..he got the hatrick..they had nothing to put against him..
Im super pleased..

 

[Tarek]

^Hami is simply very good,despite all the crap that gone and still goin against him he still manages to emerge

I really want him to take this race he really needs...FIA back the **** off!

 

[Zafiro]

I wonder, if its the driver or the brand you guys are supporting. Something tells me its the brand MB which is the reason why you guys want Hamilton to win