F1 2008 Chinese Grand Prix


Bartek S.

Aerodynamic Ace
About the Chinese GP
Length 5.451 km
Laps 56 (305.066 Km)
Last Year
1. K. Raikkonen
2. F. Alonso
3. F. Massa
Record Lap M. Schumacher - 1'32''238 (2004, Ferrari)
Record Pole R. Barrichello - 1'34''012 (2004, Ferrari)
Last Year Pole L. Hamilton - 1'35''908 (McLaren)

Circuit Map


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Shanghai: A lap with Alex Wurz

The city of Shanghai is a bit too hectic for my taste. However the Shanghai International Circuit is a very impressive facility and an interesting challenge for the drivers and engineers.

The lap itself is fairly typical of a Herman Tilke design with a huge range of corners, starting with turns one and two which combine to form what seems like a never-ending right-hander. You arrive in seventh gear at 185mph and you only start to brake when you turn into the corner. You can't brake very hard, so you're braking for a long time as you slow the car down to second gear. To be quick around the whole circuit you need to have a neutral-handling car, which generally results in oversteer through here.

You approach turn three over a little jump downhill. It's a left-hander and can be entered in first or second gear, depending on your gear ratios. At this point the tyres are still very stressed from the long first corner, so you're sliding a lot and it's difficult to make a good exit, which is very important because turns four and five are flat-out kinks and are followed by a straight.

Turn six is a hairpin, where the biggest challenge is getting the braking point right because you're arriving at nearly 185mph. You want to clip the apex and get on the power as early as possible to carry as much speed as you can through the fast left-right chicane that follows. This is taken flat in sixth gear and you can really feel the car gripping the road.
At the exit of this chicane you're almost immediately into a double left-hander, turns nine and 10. These are very important corners and a lot can be gained on the entry to the first left, which you take in third gear. The second left is flat, but you have to be quite precise with your line and without traction control it will be trickier this year.

You're then up to sixth gear, before braking at around 90 metres into a tight left-hander. If you set your car up to ride this kerb, it will be too soft for the first part of the track, so I think it's better to avoid the kerb and lose half a tenth, which will be more than compensated for elsewhere on the lap. This section reminds me of Club at Silverstone because the track goes immediately right and you have to steer the car with the throttle all the way to the exit.

Turn 13 is a long, banked right-hander. It's easy-flat, but you still need to concentrate because it's easy to destroy your tyres if you apply too much steering lock. The longest straight on the track follows and you're braking from 200mph for the hairpin. This is the best overtaking point on the lap and it's easy to lose 0.2s by getting your braking wrong, so you need to focus on getting the car into the apex.

Turn 15 is a flat-out kink and suddenly you're into the last corner, turn 16. It's a very interesting corner because you can carry a lot of speed at the apex if you can find the right rhythm. Then you're back on to the start-finish straight to begin another lap.
Alex Wurz, Honda F1 / Eurosport
 
Title is mine, insists Lewis Hamilton


A bitterly disappointed Lewis Hamilton admitted that he had taken too big a risk at the start of the Japanese Grand Prix, leaving even the British driver’s fans wondering whether he has the temperament required to close out the biggest championship of all.

In his worst case of “red mist” in two seasons in Formula One, Hamilton, who was on pole, could not resist a rash counter-attack on Kimi Raikkonen after the Ferrari got ahead of him at the start. Even though Raikkonen had no realistic World Championship chances of his own, Hamilton lunged past, outbraked himself and was penalised for forcing the Finn off the track at the first corner.

“What can I say? I just didn’t get the best getaway,” Hamilton, who finished twelfth and had his lead over Felipe Massa cut by two points to five with two races left, said. “I went down the inside and locked up and went straight on. If I was doing it again, I’d obviously do it a bit different. But I haven’t watched it, so I don’t know exactly how it went so wrong. My brakes were cold, for sure — it was just too much of a risk.”

The resultant drive-through penalty was greeted with dismay by McLaren and Hamilton. He and the team believe that he is being picked on by FIA stewards this season and Hamilton was furious when he was told by his pitwall team that he would have to come in. “I don’t understand why I got a penalty,” he said. “You’ve seen many races where people have gone to Turn 1, but gone straight on. I didn’t hit anyone or cause anyone any danger or gain an advantage, so I don’t understand it.”
More:Times Online
 
Chinese Grand Prix - selected preview quotes

Jarno Trulli, Toyota
2007 Qualifying - 12th, 2007 Race - 13th
"Shanghai is an interesting circuit and it is pretty challenging to find the best set-up because there are a lot of very slow corners but also two long, high-speed straights. Then there is Turn 13, which is key to a good lap time because if you lose speed there you suffer throughout the long straight. I have never enjoyed a lot of luck in China but I do enjoy racing there and I hope this year will finally see me score my first points at the track. We have been pushing really hard all season and we are still very motivated to finish the year on a high in these last two races. In the end we had to be happy with fifth place in Fuji but I was hoping for a little more in front of our home fans. The lower temperatures didn't really suit our car in Japan but it should be a bit warmer in China, which will be better for us. I am fired up to get a good result this weekend."

Timo Glock, Toyota
2007 Qualifying - NA, 2007 Race - NA
"This is one of the few circuits I raced a Formula One car on before this season and it is good to have that experience behind me for this weekend. The facility is amazing; it is so huge and modern, but the track itself is also a bit tricky because you have the unusual first corner and a few other challenging spots. It is amazing to think my first season with Toyota is almost at an end; I have been pleased with my performances and it is satisfying to have met my targets for the year. Our car is competitive and I believe I can score points in every race so that is my first target for this weekend, and after that we will push to finish as high as possible. I was expecting better in Japan, obviously, and I thought I was in decent shape to finish in the points before I had to retire. It's good that we race again so soon after because I can forget what happened at Fuji and focus on returning to the points in Shanghai."

Pascal Vasselon, Toyota’s senior general chassis manager
"Shanghai has a very unusual layout and that gives us various challenges on the set-up front. Even though you have the two straights and you want good top speed, the track is still relatively high downforce and that is because of Turns 1 and 13. You need good balance through the very long right-hander of Turn 13 so you can take the speed on to the straight. This corner is also crucial to overtaking because if you can follow another car closely, you have a chance to pass into Turn 14. We have the hardest compounds of Bridgestone tyres this weekend and that makes sense because in the past we have seen graining issues with softer tyres in China. We used the same specifications last year and they behaved reasonably well. In terms of other parameters such as the brakes and the engine, Shanghai is not particularly demanding. We will again use some of the upgrades we introduced in Fuji and I am confident we can be competitive."

Jenson Button, Honda
2007 Qualifying - 10th, 2007 Race - 5th
"I like the layout of the Shanghai International Circuit as it is quite demanding and technical for the drivers but also fun to drive. There are a lot of high-speed sections which I enjoy and you need good straight-line speed for the pit straight and the long straight which stretches for over a kilometre between Turns 13 and 14. It's very different from many of the circuits which we race on and the fact that there are a few good overtaking opportunities, particularly going into Turn 1 and then at the banked entry onto the back straight, make it more exciting. Our focus in practice will be on achieving the right downforce level for the car which will be a compromise set-up to accommodate the different types of corner and the straights."

Rubens Barrichello, Honda
2007 Qualifying - 16th, 2007 Race - 15th
"Shanghai is a fantastic race venue and winning the first Grand Prix here (in 2004) means that the race holds some good memories for me. The circuit itself is exciting with the combination of long straights and different speed corners combining to make a very technical track. The unique feature here is the length of some of the corners, particularly Turn 1 and Turn 13. To have a good lap here, you need to have a very good aerodynamic balance, straight-line speed for the two main straights and good car stability. The weather can also play its part so it will be interesting to see the forecast for the race weekend."

Ross Brawn, Honda team principal
"From our home race in Japan this weekend, the team heads straight to China for the penultimate race of the 2008 season. The set-up and downforce configurations required for the RA108 at the Shanghai International Circuit are similar to those used at the Fuji Speedway with some extra downforce added. Shanghai has some unusually long corners therefore we will be using the next step in tyre compounds with Bridgestone providing the medium and hard tyres which will be more durable and resistant to degradation. We are realistic on our expectations for the Chinese Grand Prix weekend and foresee a similar level of performance to that at Fuji this weekend. Whilst this is disappointing, we will reap the benefits of our decision to stop developing the RA108 and concentrate on 2009 next year. The weather forecast for the week ahead looks mixed with a high chance of showers over the weekend, so that may throw up a few on-track surprises and make for an exciting weekend."

Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber
2007 Qualifying - 8th, 2007 Race - 7th
"On the whole, I quite like this circuit. The first three corners are among the best on the calendar. You come in with a lot of speed, and the first corner remains pretty fast initially. But then it tightens up more and more and you have to change down into second gear. Getting out the other end in good shape will be just a bit more difficult this year with the absence of traction control. Every time you come here you're impressed by the huge scale of the paddock and grandstands; there's nothing else like it. Last year I got unlucky with the timing of a tyre change onto a fresh set of wets. Second place was possible, but that turned into seventh when I had to come in for an extra stop.

“Shanghai will be the fifth Asian city in a row I've visited - after Singapore, Seoul, Gwang-ju and Tokyo - and each one is different. Shanghai is certainly the fastest-growing and without doubt the one with the worst traffic conditions. Each time we come to Shanghai there are new skyscrapers, but every year a few of the old districts also disappear from the city centre."

Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber
2007 Qualifying - 9th, 2007 Race - DNF
"Shanghai is an interesting circuit with a very long straight, and here there's a good chance to overtake. The track offers a mixture of very different corners; there are some slow areas but also several fast sections. The first corner is particularly challenging. You stay on the brakes for a long time, and then it quickly switches into a left-hander. I haven't had much luck at this circuit so far. I hope that changes this time and I can pick up some important points for the world championship."

Mario Theissen, BMW Motorsport Director:
"Just a week after the race in Japan we travel to China for the second part of this Asian double-header. This means we will have had five races on this continent this year. If you add the Turkish Grand Prix, that means there are six GPs in Asia - a third of the season. Plus, next year will also see the first visit of Formula One to Abu Dhabi. All of which shows that the top category of motor racing has established a major foothold in Asia.

“This will be the fifth time that Formula One comes to China. The scale of the facility in Shanghai is beyond any other venue on the calendar and the track layout is a tough challenge. We are very much looking forward to the penultimate race of the season."

Willy Rampf, BMW Sauber technical director
"The track in Shanghai stands out with its very special layout. A particularly interesting section is the double right-hander, double left-hander combination at the end of the start-finish straight. The drivers approach it with a lot of speed and then stay on the brakes for a long time on the entry. This is a very unusual section, which places heavy demands on the tyres.

“The long straight offers a good overtaking opportunity, as it feeds into a hairpin and the track is very wide at this point, allowing the drivers to take two different lines. The combination of widely contrasting corners demands a high level of aerodynamic efficiency. With the tyres put under such heavy loads we use the hardest Bridgestone compounds here."
 
I really hope Hami does it,it's been really dry for him lately.

Then help him by painting his car red.:D


I for one think Alonso should shut up. He's been talking a lot of sh*t about Hamilton lately stating that alla punishments are justified. What a hypocrite, he was the one who cut the chicane in Sinapore overtaking two drivers which eventually lead to victory.
 
Then help him by painting his car red.:D


I for one think Alonso should shut up. He's been talking a lot of sh*t about Hamilton lately stating that alla punishments are justified. What a hypocrite, he was the one who cut the chicane in Sinapore overtaking two drivers which eventually lead to victory.

How I see it is, Hamilton's struggle is an uphill battle, and I'd much rather see any other driver win the Championship than Hamilton. He's become a cocky playboy, far from the down-to-earth character that he was initially made out to be. For example, he is the only driver to compare himself to the great Senna, and understand some circumstances, even said he is as good as Senna himself. Shocking for a driver that has only been in F1 two seasons.

One thing has become apparant, however, and that is many drivers dislike him, tending to agree with the stewards when they penalize him. Knowing this, and with the championship so close, few drivers are willing to help him win the championship. Heck, even Alonso has outwardly said that he will be supporting Massa to win the championship... and I'm sure he isn't the only one.

Its interesting to note that Alonso in the past few races has had one of the quickest, if not the quickest car. That opens up so many options in terms of him being able to change the outcome of races. For example, if Massa or Kubica is behind him, he can let them by with little effort. If Hamilton is behind him, he could hold him up, potentially allowing Massa to run away at the front. Given that he has nothing to loose right now, since he's not in a championship position, and Renault is guaranteed 4th place (since they cannot catch BMW, nor can Toyota catch them), having an ally like that would be a huge plus.

We'll see how it plays out. My fingers are crossed that Hamilton looses the championship once again, because I simply don't like him and the McLaren team. McLaren to me have ruined Bruce McLaren's name.
 
Hamilton's...become a cocky playboy, far from the down-to-earth character that he was initially made out to be.

...

One thing has become apparant, however, and that is many drivers dislike him, tending to agree with the stewards when they penalize him.

Whether or not he has a terrible personality doesn't mean he should be penalized or lose the championship.

Its interesting to note that Alonso in the past few races has had one of the quickest, if not the quickest car. That opens up so many options in terms of him being able to change the outcome of races. For example, if Massa or Kubica is behind him, he can let them by with little effort. If Hamilton is behind him, he could hold him up, potentially allowing Massa to run away at the front.

That would be pretty sh*tty wouldn't it? Being the best driver, or winning the world championship, isn't (and shouldn't) be a popularity contest. Rooting against a driver is one thing, fixing the race is another.
 
He's become a cocky playboy, far from the down-to-earth character that he was initially made out to be.

Having been treated as a second class citizen by FIA I now authorize Hamilton to act as cocky as he likes. I would be that as well if FIA were penalizing you for nothing while letting the main competitor slip away from every single misterminor.
 
^umm shouldnt your dream be

1. Kubica

and massa,hamilton Out of the race?

Yes what you said. And somehow BMW take second place in constructors. Haha bias I know.

In all honesty though, I'd just love to see it go down to the last race again. I know last season was very very contraversial, but my heart was beating for quick. :usa7uh:
 
Mclaren is cursed I just don't see them ever getting the WDC title with Ron on board. I do hope he retire after this season because they certainly wont have the fastest car next season.
 
Mclaren is cursed I just don't see them ever getting the WDC title with Ron on board. I do hope he retire after this season because they certainly wont have the fastest car next season.

Nah man, don't say that. I think he's done a great job considering everything that went on last year... actually I'm surprised McL is doing this good this year to be honest.
 
Everything that happened last season is happening right now, again. Only this time with a less susbstantial lead from Lewis and a car that is on more equal terms. And right now the only person Lewis could rely on simply doesn't seem quick enough to keep the Ferrari's at bay. With a Ferrari 1-2 here it will be all over.

With the KERS system debuting next year and having seen some of the teams times already tested it looks like Mclaren are only 3rd best after BMW and RBR/Torro Rosso. And with all the new aero, tire, and engine limiting rules comming into affect I just don't know. Someone else said it from another forum, if Hamilton wants a title he's going to have to look else where and do it with another team.
 
Everything that happened last season is happening right now, again. Only this time with a less susbstantial lead from Lewis and a car that is on more equal terms. And right now the only person Lewis could rely on simply doesn't seem quick enough to keep the Ferrari's at bay. With a Ferrari 1-2 here it will be all over.

With the KERS system debuting next year and having seen some of the teams times already tested it looks like Mclaren are only 3rd best after BMW and RBR/Torro Rosso. And with all the new aero, tire, and engine limiting rules comming into affect I just don't know. Someone else said it from another forum, if Hamilton wants a title he's going to have to look else where and do it with another team.

I'm sure McL will be fine. I doubt they are going to turn out like Renault when Alonso left them.

Out of curiosity, anyone know what happened to Kov's engine in Japan? Is this going to affect Hamilton in anyway? I've been reading around and the consensus is that he won't be able to change his engine for the Brazil race should he need to without penalty.
 

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