F1 2007 Hungarian GP

[Remy Zero]

i refuse to believe Hammi would have said that to his mentor. it's just reports. bloody press and media always try to make it sound dramatic.

 

[450SEL6.9]

i refuse to believe Hammi would have said that to his mentor. it's just reports. bloody press and media always try to make it sound dramatic.

His mentor? Now that he is the hottest property in F1, it doesn't matter. It no longer matters how he got to F1. It matters he is in F1.

Many athletes, actors, businesspeople have walked out on their mentors. I would not be surprised if the exchange did take place. The Times is a respected daily. If the article appeared in a tabloid, I would be more skeptical.

 

[Remy Zero]

yes, thats certain people. but i think, not Hammi in this case. this is the type of person who values and know whats the meaning of hardship. i really doubt Hammi will shiit where he eats.

but then again, i might be wrong. tempers do flare in sports. i tend to lose my temper many times when i play football and say something w/out thinking, and apologzing for it later. i'm a human ( well sort of ) just like Hammi. so, he could have said it.

 

[Centurion]

Wow so Hamilton really said that? Wicked, emotions in the Mclaren team seem to be flowing like Lava in a volcano. Hopefully on Monday we will get to know the truth about who's fault it really was. Some say it was the team's fault other publications blame Hamilton for it and most are pointing the finger at Alonso.

 

[Nikos120i]

I don't know if Hamilton really talked with such a bad language.

Tension is obvious in McLaren...which is good for Ferrari...as long as they know how to take advantage of it. With Massa 14th and Kimi 3rd...it is difficult.

Let's see how it goes!

Forza Ferrari!

 

[Gene]

You are asking too much, Gene. Alonso, Schumi, Senna, Piquet, Mansell, Prost, Clark, Fangio bashing is okay. But when it comes to anything negative about Hamilton, things go really, really quiet. If anyone does dare say anything remotely negative about him, watch out! Believe me, I felt the wrath before.

I'll say this now. I think Hamilton is a disrespectful, spoiled phony who takes on a nice guy, super clean facade (complete with his workaholic father and physically sick brother) so he can whore himself around for corporate endorsements.

From the Sunday Times article: Alonso pays for dirty trick - Times Online Read the article yourselves. I won't post the words here because some a-hole will undoubtedly call me a racist (again) because I dislike Hamilton.

What team signed up Hamilton when he was 13? Who ploughed millions into his career? Who put him in the fastest car to start his F1 career? Talk about disrespect. I have long believed that Hamilton will be too big for Mclaren. People bash Schumacher, but he has never said shit like that to his team.

You know what... I completely was expected the double standards from everybody, and to an I completely agree with you about your comments.

Admittedly the Times where the supposed conversation between Dennis and Hamilton came from isn't exactly a high-quality publication, but I love how people criticized the exchange between Alonso and Massa, but refuse to believe how Hamilton would ever say such things...

 

[DocM]

very boring race

 

[OBR]

good win for hammy..

 

[Nikos120i]

For a moment I thought Kimi could pass Lewis...but whenever he was closing up on him...Kimi couldn't pass.

Notice how much more careful Lewis is with his tyres. He has learn this from GP2. He knows how to save tyres...and knows how to "clean" the graining.

Well done Lewis.

 

[450SEL6.9]

yes, thats certain people. but i think, not Hammi in this case. this is the type of person who values and know whats the meaning of hardship. i really doubt Hammi will shiit where he eats.

I suppose this is where we differ, Remy. That's perfectly all right because cordial disagreements are always welcome. I just don't know if Hamy values hardship because I don't think he has felt it throughout his climb into F1. Nigel Mansell, who isn't my favourite driver by any means, was spot on when he pointed the hardships he endured to get into F1, i.e. he and his wife selling his house. That is hardship. As many drivers have pointed, Hamilton was backed by Mclaren all these years.

You know what... I completely was expected the double standards from everybody, and to an I completely agree with you about your comments.

Admittedly the Times where the supposed conversation between Dennis and Hamilton came from isn't exactly a high-quality publication, but I love how people criticized the exchange between Alonso and Massa, but refuse to believe how Hamilton would ever say such things...

Yes, it is comical to see Alonso get blasted for every little bitty thing that he does or every tidbit that comes out of his mouth. You said you read four pages of misdirected Alonso bashing. Then when Hamilton is involved in the slightest bit of controversy, he is categorically separated from blame. I don't even think Schu had that treatment. When Schu screwed up, even die-hards like me bashed him.

I just want to clarify why I quoted that Times article involving the expletive-laced exchange. I am not saying that Hamilton or Dennis said those things. Even if that article is 99% bullshit, there is still 1% truth to it. The whole point is that it isn't so positive when an article from a respectable paper even alleges such a conversation took place between protégé and mentor. Schumacher has been in heated situations, but no journalist has accused him of lashing out at his boss.

 

[Bartek S.]

Good racing, I’m glad to see BMW in great positions, deserved win for Hami and great second spot for Kimi.

 

[Remy Zero]

One of the worst and the most boring races i've ever watched. it's just like a parade. i just hate the Hungararoring. apart from some fine women, they have nothing else to offer.

 

[LaArtist]

yep boring race..
hamilton did great..
alonso tried his best..
massa sucked balls

ohh and good for BMW

 

[Centurion]

I suppose this is where we differ, Remy. I just don't know if Hamy values hardship because I don't think he has felt it throughout his climb into F1.

Maybe Hamilton hasn't felt hardship but his father has most likely sacrificed a lot to help Hamilton sign a deal with Mclaren and become what he is today. Therefor I find it to be a bit unfair of you to paint Hamilton as someone who has had an easy path to the podium at Hungary today.

Yes I agree that Hamilton was wrong for what he said to Dennis. I thought he was someone who would contain his anger in a discreet manner. Then again he was under a lot of pressure with Alonso closing in on his point, further more he was jerked in the pit so I guessed he snapped. Then again I don't think that what he said was out of disrespect for Dennis. Their relationship will most probably resume back to normal in the coming days.

As for the race it was a tad boring. Nothing happened. Kudos to BMW though. He are on a stead progress and keep on improving with every GP.

 

[Bartek S.]

2007 FORMULA 1™ Magyar Nagydíj 2007
Provisional Results
1. Hamilton
2. Raikkonen +0.7 sec.
3. Heidfeld +43.1 sec.
4. Alonso +44.8 sec.
5. Kubica +47.6 sec.
6. Schumacher +50.6 sec.
7. Rosberg +59.1 sec.
8. Kovalainen +68.1 sec.
9. Webber +76.3 sec.
10. Trulli +1 lap
11. Coulthard
12. Fisichella
13. Massa
14. Wurz
15. Sato
16. Vettel
17. Suttil +2 laps
18. Barrichello
19. Liuzzi ret.
20. Davidson ret.
21. Button ret.
22. Yamamoto ret.

 

[Gene]

I suppose this is where we differ, Remy. That's perfectly all right because cordial disagreements are always welcome. I just don't know if Hamy values hardship because I don't think he has felt it throughout his climb into F1. Nigel Mansell, who isn't my favourite driver by any means, was spot on when he pointed the hardships he endured to get into F1, i.e. he and his wife selling his house. That is hardship. As many drivers have pointed, Hamilton was backed by Mclaren all these years.



Yes, it is comical to see Alonso get blasted for every little bitty thing that he does or every tidbit that comes out of his mouth. You said you read four pages of misdirected Alonso bashing. Then when Hamilton is involved in the slightest bit of controversy, he is categorically separated from blame. I don't even think Schu had that treatment. When Schu screwed up, even die-hards like me bashed him.

I just want to clarify why I quoted that Times article involving the expletive-laced exchange. I am not saying that Hamilton or Dennis said those things. Even if that article is 99% bullshit, there is still 1% truth to it. The whole point is that it isn't so positive when an article from a respectable paper even alleges such a conversation took place between protégé and mentor. Schumacher has been in heated situations, but no journalist has accused him of lashing out at his boss.

I had an interesting thought after watching the race: Next year will be really interesting at McLaren. From what Hamilton has shown in qualifying (refusing to follow team strategy and let Alonso by), it shows that Hamilton won't accept being the second driver of the team anymore. Equally Alonso will refuse to be the second driver either. Now thats going to cause some conflict.

But what makes this so interesting is that I can pretty much guarantee Alonso will leave the team the very moment he can (whether it be as a result of the scandal or when his contract expires). Without Alonso's development knowledge of the car (which in my opinion pushed Renault and McLaren to the top), the McLaren will fall behind the pack again, leaving Hamilton in a slow car. Can't win any championships with a slow car now can we. Hamilton just shot himself in the foot, lets see how good he is from the middle of the pack.

Gonna be a great 2008.

 

[Gene]

Maybe Hamilton hasn't felt hardship but his father has most likely sacrificed a lot to help Hamilton sign a deal with Mclaren and become what he is today. Therefor I find it to be a bit unfair of you to paint Hamilton as someone who has had an easy path to the podium at Hungary today.

Hamilton has had an easy path to F1. His father sacrificed alot up until when Hamilton was 13. From that point onwards, McLaren funded everything for Hamilton.

Very few drivers have had the backing and funding of a major team since they were that young.

Either way, McLaren are being attacked by other teams due to the spy scandal, and now they are imploding from within. Being anti-McLaren, I'm absolutely loving it.

 

[Centurion]

Hamilton has had an easy path to F1. His father sacrificed alot up until when Hamilton was 13. From that point onwards, McLaren funded everything for Hamilton.

Very few drivers have had the backing and funding of a major team since they were that young.

Signing with Mclaren at the age of 13 doesn't mean that you can sit back and relax for the rest of your life. You can lose the contract faster than you got it. Ever since Hamilton signed with Mclaren he has had to constantly have to prove that he is worthy driving an F1 car with a star on the hood.

With that being said Hamilton hasn't had it easier than any F1 driver. The better team you drive for, the harder you have to work. If Hamilton really has had really easy and I guess any 13 year old can sign a deal with Mclaren, right?

 

[450SEL6.9]

With that being said Hamilton hasn't had it easier than any F1 driver. The better team you drive for, the harder you have to work. If Hamilton really has had really easy and I guess any 13 year old can sign a deal with Mclaren, right?

Luw, I respectfully disagree with you on that. I think there's no doubt that Hamilton has had it easier than any serious driver in F1. A few pay drivers who used daddy's wallet to buy a driver may have had it easier though. Still, I will concede that Hamy has had to perform and improve to maintain his seat. However, I think getting into a team in F1 is harder than maintaining the seat. Look at slowpokes Fisichella and Trulli. They have languished around and maintained their race seats.

When you get signed up by "Mr. Integrity" at 13 and he sinks millions into your career, that is as smooth as a transition into F1 as anyone can get. Hamilton is 22, so he has been in the "Team of Utmost Integrity" family for 9-years. Some reports say $10 million has already been invested. Basically, I reckon he's had 9-years more and $10 million more than any driver in F1 in terms of development. I call that a giant, easy head start.

I will cease calling the team that run Mercedes engines by their team name. I will also stop calling the bald guy who was told to "F*-ken swivel" by his name. They keep preaching their personal and team integrity, so I'll refer to them that way.

 

[Remy Zero]

I suppose this is where we differ, Remy. That's perfectly all right because cordial disagreements are always welcome. I just don't know if Hamy values hardship because I don't think he has felt it throughout his climb into F1. Nigel Mansell, who isn't my favourite driver by any means, was spot on when he pointed the hardships he endured to get into F1, i.e. he and his wife selling his house. That is hardship. As many drivers have pointed, Hamilton was backed by Mclaren all these years.



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true. but, i think his dad and him went thru a lot to esure he had enough money to enter races at the early part of his career. i think Ant Hamilton worked up to 3 jobs to ensure his son could participate in races.

his brother, ( older i think ) is challenged physically, and have to use a wheelchair. so i suppose Hammi does know what hardship is about. he knew his dad struggled with this racing career and his brother. it's only logic for him to realise that.