Upcoming Mercedes-Benz Models/Facelifts

[fortuner]

272 hp for the 350 CDI? That´s great!!

how many kilowatts is that engine.

 

[Untertürkheim]

272 hp for the 350 CDI? That´s great!!

I completely agree, just imagine what the 450CDI should be capable of, 390hp, 850nm? I am salivating at the thought of either of these engines on the MCT-7G with LSD.

 

[Untertürkheim]

how many kilowatts is that engine.

200kw

 

[SKY]

I completely agree, just imagine what the 450CDI should be capable of, 390hp, 850nm? I am salivating at the thought of either of these engines on the MCT-7G with LSD.

What about an intermedium spec like BMW? a 400 CDI with 320 hp?.

 

[Untertürkheim]

What about an intermedium spec like BMW? a 400 CDI with 320 hp?.

The 4,0l V8 CDI already produces 320hp(235kw) in its current state. I meant that the revision of this engine should be able to produce 390hp(287kw).

 

[fortuner]

The 4,0l V8 CDI already produces 320hp(235kw) in its current state. I meant that the revision of this engine should be able to produce 390hp(287kw).

Thank you for your information and stats highly appreciated now i would love a new ML 350 cdi with that new motor would be great.With the new shape ML

 

[SKY]

The 4,0l V8 CDI already produces 320hp(235kw) in its current state. I meant that the revision of this engine should be able to produce 390hp(287kw).

Haven´t you talk to someone at MBUSA that has told you the figure (390)?. You sound very convinced.

 

[Untertürkheim]

Haven´t you talk to someone at MBUSA that has told you the figure (390)?. You sound very convinced.

Most people at MBUSA do not even know that DB makes a 4,0 V8 CDI. The limitations are now the transmissions, although once the MCT-7 moves to more models, the engines can really reach their potential.

I have heard that this engine should be capable of that output and torque, but the 7G may not be able to take the torque.

Even though this engine is capable of the output, its future is unclear with the new emissions standards, so there is hesitation to invest in development.

 

[Wolfgang]

Here are some new diesel models available from MBUSA.

The 2010 Sprinters have 3.0 liter BlueTEC engines and are 6% less than the 2009s.

New website:

Mercedes-Benz Sprinter: The Official Website

 

[Wolfgang]

Even though MB is supposed to be waiting for the CL facelift to debut the new generation of engines, it seems one managed to slip through early.

The CLS Grand Edition in the UK is based on the 350CDI with a lot of extras, and special options. Another treat is the revised engine, with 272 hp and 590nm (435lb-ft) torque, a considerable increase.

This may be the next iteration of the 350, or perhaps just a special spec until the real revision is released.

Interesting. Will MBUSA offer this version as BlueTEC?

 

[tennmb]

How will this effect fuel efficiency. Does MB need to enter another HP war? And this time in diesel land?

 

[Bilal]

350 CDI (272Hp)

The upgrade to the 350 CDI is already offered by Brabus for the 320 CDI engine. It costs around £1,200 and takes the 320 CDI to 272hp. The CLS Grand Edition is basically a Brabus-chipped 320 CDI. It makes you wonder that if MB is confident of offering this output on its own cars, how much potential their engines have in reserve?

 

[Untertürkheim]

Interesting. Will MBUSA offer this version as BlueTEC?

It all depends on whether the Bluetec system can work with the revision. The Bluetec to be sold here is the same as the bluetec everywhere (212.024 sedan, .224 wagon), that cuts the 231hp down to 211 because of the exhaust treatment system and different engine configuration.

If this 272hp version got bluetec, it should still push out 250hp, if it works at all.

 

[Untertürkheim]

The upgrade to the 350 CDI is already offered by Brabus for the 320 CDI engine. It costs around £1,200 and takes the 320 CDI to 272hp. The CLS Grand Edition is basically a Brabus-chipped 320 CDI. It makes you wonder that if MB is confident of offering this output on its own cars, how much potential their engines have in reserve?

I doubt that it is simply a chip upgrade, I would think modifications were made to accomodate the extra power, at least with the cooling systems

 

[Untertürkheim]

How will this effect fuel efficiency. Does MB need to enter another HP war? And this time in diesel land?

Nearly no change in fuel consumption.

 

[Wolfgang]

It all depends on whether the Bluetec system can work with the revision. The Bluetec to be sold here is the same as the bluetec everywhere (211.024), that cuts the 231hp down to 211 because of the exhaust treatment system and different engine configuration.

If this 272hp version got bluetec, it should still push out 250hp, if it works at all.

Looks like a typo? I'd expect 212.024 and 212.224 from MBUSA?

 

[Untertürkheim]

Looks like a typo? I'd expect 212.024 and 212.224 from MBUSA?

Correct, 212 not 211, I corrected it.

 

[Bilal]

I doubt that it is simply a chip upgrade, I would think modifications were made to accomodate the extra power, at least with the cooling systems

Nope, it's a simple ECU chip upgrade. I know because we were trying to get it for my dad's GL 320 CDI from our local MB dealer

See here, notice the values are identical

http://www.brabus.com/en/deliver.php?id=474&filename=X164_D6_III_ECO-EN.pdf

 

[Untertürkheim]

Nope, it's a simple ECU chip upgrade. I know because we were trying to get it for my dad's GL 320 CDI from our local MB dealer

See here, notice the values are identical

http://www.brabus.com/en/deliver.php?id=474&filename=X164_D6_III_ECO-EN.pdf

Oh I did not doubt the power output from the Brabus to be the same, what I meant to ask was if you are sure that MB did not make any additional modifications? I know it is possible to get the power with chip alone, but MB may have changed other things to keep reliability.

If someone could get me the VIN from one of those cars I could check.

 

[fortuner]

hi guys anybody know when the new viano /vito will be launched i mean a all new model not a facelift we have a model at home cdi its got 95000km i want to change it when a new one comes but i dont see any news or spy pics or any hint off a change.