Poll The BIG DEBATE (Part 1) - BMW i7 vs Mercedes EQS

[Mick Briesgau]

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EQS isn’t bad at all, not at all. As an EV.

 

[klier]

EQS isn’t bad at all, not at all. As an EV.

Yes it is. Very, very bad.
Winning this test from the 7er doesn't change a damn thing about that. It only shows the i7 is maybe even worse.

And besides, the EQS was, is and will forever be a giant sales flop. Hopefully the i7 fares better. And I suspect it will, as it's ten times more easy on the eyes.

 

[Merc1]

Let the spins begin.

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[LaArtist]

Lmao, thats what you get for not having a dedicated ev platform

 

[Serpens]

Yes it is. Very, very bad.
Winning this test from the 7er doesn't change a damn thing about that. It only shows the i7 is maybe even worse.

And besides, the EQS was, is and will forever be a giant sales flop. Hopefully the i7 fares better. And I suspect it will, as it's ten times more easy on the eyes.

MBUSA has actually been quite happy with EQS sales so far.

 

[LaArtist]

Yes it is. Very, very bad.
Winning this test from the 7er doesn't change a damn thing about that. It only shows the i7 is maybe even worse.

And besides, the EQS was, is and will forever be a giant sales flop. Hopefully the i7 fares better. And I suspect it will, as it's ten times more easy on the eyes.

If that monster i7 outsells the eqs by the end of their life cycle i will be veeery suprised buddy

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Yes it is. Very, very bad.
Winning this test from the 7er doesn't change a damn thing about that. It only shows the i7 is maybe even worse.

And besides, the EQS was, is and will forever be a giant sales flop. Hopefully the i7 fares better. And I suspect it will, as it's ten times more easy on the eyes.

The testers of AMS don’t agree with you. Personally I couldn’t care less, I’m not into EV. What I do find interesting though, is that i7 is considered by many as the second coming of Christ and now this… beaten by the EQS!

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

MBUSA has actually been quite happy with EQS sales so far.

It's outselling the S here in Oz as well, but our market for both is minuscule.

 

[dalab]

If that monster i7 outsells the eqs by the end of their life cycle i will be veeery suprised buddy

It sold 19,200 units in 2022 while alone in the market, what will surprise you is that the i7 will surpass it in sales since this year
The really interesting thing will be the global 7 vs the S

and now this…

It is one test, the first, surprising because in the many videos of the i7 in which they mention the EQS they say the opposite, they comment that the i7 feels much better, waiting for more comparisons together.

 

[Matski]

The testers of AMS don’t agree with you. Personally I couldn’t care less, I’m not into EV. What I do find interesting though, is that i7 is considered by many as the second coming of Christ and now this… beaten by the EQS!

As I pointed out elsewhere, it takes the win in the comfort category, and scored higher in perceived quality. It got it's ass handed to it in the scores for 100-0 brake tests, and turning circle, but can you honestly say braking performance and turning circle are why you're a dedicated 'S' segment Mercedes buyer?

 

[Merc1]

Cherry picking criteria. Gotta love it. I guess braking it not important as long as your comfortable.

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[CrunchSlaughtered]

As I pointed out elsewhere, it takes the win in the comfort category, and scored higher in perceived quality. It got it's ass handed to it in the scores for 100-0 brake tests, and turning circle, but can you honestly say braking performance and turning circle are why you're a dedicated 'S' segment Mercedes buyer?

In fact these are two very important criteria. What is wrong with these tests is the equal way all cars are assesses, regardless of their prime usage. And IMO the biggest mistake, that all Germans media testers still do-is not taking into consideration the ratio between the height of the floor and the height of the seat. They measure knee room (which is always adecuate in the EVs due to the battery in the floor, which needs bigger wheelbase) , height from the seat to the roof (which when the seat is lowered is bigger) and width. So positioning the seat lower always gives you more points. It's where the EQS suffers big time agaist the i7, which also greatly reduces tbe rear seating comfort-the main asset of these cars.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

As I pointed out elsewhere, it takes the win in the comfort category, and scored higher in perceived quality. It got it's ass handed to it in the scores for 100-0 brake tests, and turning circle, but can you honestly say braking performance and turning circle are why you're a dedicated 'S' segment Mercedes buyer?

No, but bad breaking performance keeps me away from buying a car.

Besides, you’re picking only two aspects of the tests. What surprised me most, is that as an EV (kWh consumption, charging time for 300 km, average charging power 10%-80% soc) EQS clearly beats the i7. On top of that it’s more sportier to drive. I mention latter, because sone people we’re stating the 7er is still relative sporty to drive.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

In fact these are two very important criteria. What is wrong with these tests is the equal way all cars are assesses, regardless of their prime usage. And IMO the biggest mistake, that all Germans media testers still do-is not taking into consideration the ratio between the height of the floor and the height of the seat. They measure knee room (which is always adecuate in the EVs due to the battery in the floor, which needs bigger wheelbase) , height from the seat to the roof (which when the seat is lowered is bigger) and width. So positioning the seat lower always gives you more points. It's where the EQS suffers big time agaist the i7, which also greatly reduces tbe rear seating comfort-the main asset of these cars.

I think EQS is mainly going to be bought be self drivers. I always stated it’s not a chauffeur car, it’s more of a drivers car and the AMS test seems to confirm that in a way. As far as cars like this can be seen as drivers cars at all.

The distance floor to height of the seats only plays a role for backseat passengers. Do you know the distances for both cars? Obviously you do, because of your written last sentence in your post above.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I think EQS is mainly going to be bought be self drivers. I always stated it’s not a chauffeur car, it’s more of a drivers car and the AMS test seems to confirm that in a way. As far as cars like this can be seen as drivers cars at all.

The distance floor to height of the seats only plays a role for backseat passengers. Do you know the distances for both cars? Obviously you do, because of your written last sentence in your post above.

This data is not given anywhere officially. Both cars have the same height from the seat to the roof, despite the dome shape of the EQS roof and the 30 mm lower general height of the car. This can be achieved only with lowering the seat. Here's a photo on which it can be seen how inclined the rear seat bank of the EQS is-it's higher at the end and much lower where the butt seats. And the level of the feet to the level of the butt is not distanced enough for a comfortable position

I hope @Serpens would shed more light on this with his experience of both cars.

 

[leylandi]

bmw flags at half-mast

 

[leylandi]

When the i7 came out, I said that the EQS was a better driver's car and would be technically and technologically superior. Bimmer fans went crazy, but the truth came out. The only advantage of the i7 is that it looks like a 7 series and its quality perception.

 

[Matski]

Besides, you’re picking only two aspects of the tests.

Yeah, but specifically because they're elements I'd assumed people in the market for this kind of car would prioritise.

What surprised me most, is that as an EV (kWh consumption, charging time for 300 km, average charging power 10%-80% soc) EQS clearly beats the i7

Consumption is surprising by virtue of not being more different IMHO. Bespoke platform and massive focus on aerodynamics by Mercedes, versus BMW taking their aero inspiration from Stonehenge!

 

[klier]

Bespoke EV more efficient than an ICE with batteries? For real?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Bespoke EV more efficient than an ICE with batteries? For real?

AMuS push harder the cars in their consumption tests, which gives an advantage to the EQS, because they use permanent magnet technology. When coasting or in a test with a lighter use the i7 will be more energy efficient due to its exitable rotor. So for highways the more efficient car is the EQS but for city driving and coasting it's the i7.