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[martinbo]

I cant vote on Veyron cause Bugatti lose money everytime a Veyron is being built. Its over the top.

Then you've missed the point. A car as superlative as the Veyron was never about return-on-investment.

The Veyron exists as an achievement of mankind and not as a profit & loss entry on an income statement.

 

[SDNR]

Then you've missed the point. A car as superlative as the Veyron was never about return-on-investment.

The Veyron exists as an achievement of mankind and not as a profit & loss entry on an income statement.

Precisely Martin - the Veyron is so far removed from the "real world" concerns of the others on the list - The very fact that the Veyron exists at all is an immense achievement of willpower, determination, arrogance, and a sincere desire to create something truly extraordinary.

I was critical of the Veyron at first too - but that was before it struck me, before I actually understood what this vehicle really represents - this is the automotive equivalent of Michaelangelo's David, van Eyck's Arnolfini Marriage, or Beethoven's 9th symphony - as Martinbo so astutely put it, "The Veyron exists as an achievement of mankind".

 

[Centurion]

Ok Luw, I get your stance and can identify with your perspective but I have to point out that the Veyron doesn't make the grade of "complete sportscar" because its not that at all. In fact the Veyron goes beyond even the concept of supercar because its more than that. So it weighs two tons and subjectively doesn't suit circuit racing... so what. It does 400 km/h. It does 0 to 100 to 200 to 300 and beyond faster than anything we've ever seen on the road. This is the new definition of thrust. Now, all of that in a super luxurious, rock-solid stable package that doesn't come close to breaking a sweat where all the other supercars are nearing their maximum. It can negotiate a fast Autobahn sweep at 350 km/h where Enzos, CGTs and Zondas would be pushing pistons through the block and scampering all over the show.

Is it as well rounded as a Macca F1? Of course not, but that's an entirely different story and an F1 can't come close to producing the ballistic figures of a Veyron nor in the way that a Veyron does.

Nothing can.

I understand your point Martin. In a straight line the vayron does stand on it's own with it's incredible performance number. I guess it's really hard to appretiate what it offers if you haven't driven one. Although I do think that driving all of the cars in the poll the Veyron would leave a great memory in the brain.

 

[SDNR]

I understand your point Martin. In a straight line the vayron does stand on it's own with it's incredible performance number. I guess it's really hard to appretiate what it offers if you haven't driven one. Although I do think that driving all of the cars in the poll the Veyron would leave a great memory in the brain.

You're being too pragmatic Lu - the Veyron exists in an ideal universe - few will ever drive one - even fewer will ever drive it at it's limit - most examples will undoubtedly just sit in the private collections of some of the wealthiest people on earth. This car is destined to become legendary - it's technology will, in time, become obsolete - but it will forever stand as a testament to the very human desire to create perfection. It is a very metaphysical object in this sense - it is art in it's purist form, somebody should donate one to the Museum of Modern Art in New York - it certainly is worthy of it.

 

[Centurion]

Wow Rob you seen to be in love with the car. Have you maybe seen a video that we haven't seen?

 

[SDNR]

Wow Rob you seen to be in love with the car. Have you maybe seen a video that we haven't seen?

Ha - no, but I think we have to try to appreciate such rare things from a different context. Engineering at it's highest and most excellent level can be deeply aesthetically beautiful - the Veyron represents this.

 

[Zafiro]

Then you've missed the point. A car as superlative as the Veyron was never about return-on-investment.

The Veyron exists as an achievement of mankind and not as a profit & loss entry on an income statement.

its not about being a "point". Its my personal choice to not vote on something that they dont earn money on.

 

[PanterroR]

Some of you really need to raise your heads out of the mediocrity of upper-middle class banality and learn to recognise true greatness when it is presented right in front of you.

Word!

Awesome posts about Veyron from Rob and Martin! Guys, .

Oh and Just_me, mate, you really didn't need to post such weird comment as:

its not about being a "point". Its my personal choice to not vote on something that they dont earn money on.

C'mon, man, that sounds a bit stupid... You can do better than that, i know that! No offense! This car DOES deserve a lot of votes because of many reasons that both Rob and Martin have perfectly said. You can dislike the car, but will Bugatti earn some money on it is not a question at all.

I might be wrong, but imo the Veyron wasn't bulit to bring some ernomous amounts to Bugatti, but to show how far the automotive engineering can go. Of course, it cost...

 

[Zafiro]

I dont dislike Veyron, I wouldnt mind to own one but its not enough to make me vote on it. I like to go my own way.

 

[martinbo]

I like to go my own way.

Oh boy and don't we know that by now!

Good for you - at least you got prerogatives.

But, that said, imagine if human endeavour was limited to profits on the bottom line...

Would we have seen real progress in the quest for speed? Would we have seen things like SR71's and X-15's and Space Shuttles? Of course not. I don't think we'd have seen many other great supercars either.

Look, I appreciate the Veyron for what it has achieved but I'm not going to heap undue praise upon it and call it the greatest car ever. Not a sausage.
That accolade belongs fair and square to the McLaren F1.

But the Veyron still is a wonder of engineering endeavour.

 

[Zafiro]

"prerogatives", my dictionary refuse to translate the meaning of this word

 

[MikeJ]

"prerogatives", my dictionary refuse to translate the meaning of this word

MikeJ to the rescue!

prerogative:

preferens
förmån; fördel; företräde; privilegium; prioritet
prerogativ allmänspråk

 

[dOmInIX]

I voted M5.

IMO, all the cars from list are magnificent, but M5 is that kind of car, when you look it there's some feeling about it, I don't know, I can't explain it...It's just M5...

 

[dOmInIX]

"prerogatives", my dictionary refuse to translate the meaning of this word

Longman Dictionary-
[countable usually singular]
a right that someone has, especially because of their importance or social position

 

[SDNR]

Look, I appreciate the Veyron for what it has achieved but I'm not going to heap undue praise upon it and call it the greatest car ever. Not a sausage.
That accolade belongs fair and square to the McLaren F1.

How can we really compare them?.......how do you quantify genius?
Who is greater, Bach or Mozart?, Matisse or Picasso?, Byron or Tennyson?

The Veyron and the F1 are two very rare specimens in the contemporary auto-world - as car lovers, we should appreciate them both equally for their brilliance and the things that make them so different from each other. The McLaren is essential, the result of utterly profound pragmatism, everything about it is focused on a single purpose; the Veyron is anomalous, it has been conceived from an uncommonly inspired and highly sensorial perspective.

 

[Matt]

I dont dislike Veyron, I wouldnt mind to own one but its not enough to make me vote on it. I like to go my own way.

I think Andreas has an excellent point. Give any company unlimited funds and they can build what ever they want, but thats not the purpose of cars. They should be built to make money not to demonstrate power with an unlimited amount of money. Take Nasa for instance, they have an infinite (relatively) amount of money so they can build things that are much more advanced than cars. If you gave nasa enough money they would build a 400 mph road car but car companies dont build cars to demostrate technology, but to make money.

 

[SDNR]

I think Andreas has an excellent point. Give any company unlimited funds and they can build what ever they want, but thats not the purpose of cars. They should be built to make money not to demonstrate power with an unlimited amount of money. Take Nasa for instance, they have an infinite (relatively) amount of money so they can build things that are much more advanced than cars. If you gave nasa enough money they would build a 400 mph road car but car companies dont build cars to demostrate technology, but to make money.

But, as I have tried to point out, the Veyron is much more than just a project with a lot of money thrown at it - it is also the result of pure inspiration and a desire to create something truly extraordinary.

You and Andreas both make good points, which only serve to reinforce my opinion that the Veyron can not be compared with the others on the list - it was conceived from an entirely different context.

 

[Alx]

I agree, thats why the Veyron was my choice.

 

[GTA45E]

Veyron is indisputably the finest automobile the world has EVER seen.

Some of you really need to raise your heads out of the mediocrity of upper-middle class banality and learn to recognise true greatness when it is presented right in front of you.

I disagree. being the best is subjective (in this matter), I agree with Matt and Just_me on this one. The Vayron might be an extraordinary piece of engineering, no one doubts that but just because it has a quad turbo V16 with 1001hp
and reinforced 7-speed auto-clutch tranny that can reach a top-speed of 250mph doesn`t make the Bugatti Vayron the best car on the planet.
For starters it`s certainly not the most efficient, if fact I find it very wasteful!

With the good automotive technology we have today a good company could make a compact V12 (and if thay were really good a V8) with almost the same numbers. Thay also could make lighter body and smaller drive components. That would be the Ultimate car and a true athlete of well thought out engineering which even Bugatti has yet to achieve. Being the ultimate is not about speed, it`s about engineering efficiency.


With that said the Bugatti Vayron falls short of every other car on this list in the efficient-engineering ratio.

 

[LaArtist]

imo the veyron is just a pig.. to much weight.. over engineerd .. made the wrong way for a sports car.. with a conept first.. and then built around it.. should be the other way around..
but kudos of VAG engineers to still pull it off