1 Series [Spyshots] BMW 1-Series Sedan


The BMW 1 Series is a range of subcompact executive cars (C-segment) manufactured by BMW since 2004. Positioned as the entry-level model in BMW range of products, the first generation was produced in hatchback, coupé and convertible body styles.
I'm with you Giannis.

Y'see - the one tangible USP that the F2x has over it's competition - irrespective of how small the demographic of such "enlightened" buyers may be - is that it undeniably is RWD and thus drives differently (and I say better in my opinion) to its contemporaries.

Now it's just going to be a Golf/A3 (BMW's van just got beaten by their van) or a Jetta/A3 Sedan same-same with a BMW badge on it. Just for entry-level buyers and permafrost dwellers. Dandy.
 
I'm a BMW customer and I am voicing my opinion that I, as a consumer, am unhappy about the strategy to move away from a small RWD platform.

I'm not trolling...
 
This explains your posting before and give it an other background. :)

If you spent less time racking up your post count and more time following the trending discussions on this forum then you would have observed the copious amount of background posts I have made in the debate around the UKL-based platform.

This is one of the biggest turnarounds in a car maker's strategy since Mercedes Benz decided to make an A-Class or Porsche, an SUV. It is a fundamental change in the compact car market dynamic and also a great loss to the consumers (and fans of the brand like BMW zealot klier) that it looks like the days of a compact, RWD BMW are soon to be over. This means the END of brilliant cars like the M135i and M235i. Vorbei und vergessen.

This is a big problem for people who love to drive.
 
I think my day just got ruined.

An 1er sedan with the dimensions of the E46, yet with FWD and an interior that belongs to a van. The 2er AT interior is nowhere near what a BMW badge should come with. I'm very disappointed.

Again, given that the 1er sedan will be FWD, I see absolutely no reason to choose it over an A3 sedan, no matter how brilliant it may look.

I can understand a RWD 1er drives better than a FWD 1er. Given the fact that the competitors all are FWD it is possible the 1er FWD will drive better than them. Conclude now (based on renders) you will never buy it just because it is FWD for me is difficult to understand.

Have you ever driven a FWD Mini and compared it to the Polo and A1? I have and it drives more sporty and dynamic than either of them.
 
I'm with you Giannis.

Y'see - the one tangible USP that the F2x has over it's competition - irrespective of how small the demographic of such "enlightened" buyers may be - is that it undeniably is RWD and thus drives differently (and I say better in my opinion) to its contemporaries.

Now it's just going to be a Golf/A3 (BMW's van just got beaten by their van) or a Jetta/A3 Sedan same-same with a BMW badge on it. Just for entry-level buyers and permafrost dwellers. Dandy.

Not beaten because of its driving dynamics.
 
I can understand a RWD 1er drives better than a FWD 1er. Given the fact that the competitors all are FWD it is possible the 1er FWD will drive better than them. Conclude now (based on renders) you will never buy it just because it is FWD for me is difficult to understand.

Have you ever driven a FWD Mini and compared it to the Polo and A1? I have and it drives more sporty an dynamic than either of them.

Yes, an FWD Mini is far sportier than a Polo or A1. It has a better suspension tune-up with stiffer springs and dampers. But deep down, they are all FWD, no matter how good the suspension set-up is. It's a fact that you can't steer with the gas pedal, you will never get rid of torque steer, you will always have lower quality steering from an equivalent RWD set-up (due to the front tyres having to both accelerate and steer, as opposed to just steer) and you can't powerslide.

Believe me, I have had my fair share of FWD over the years. Let alone the various FWD cars I've driven from time to time, I own an old-school french hatch and a full size FWD Volvo, basically the two opposite ends of Front Wheel Drive. I know how to enjoy them, how to handle them, how to reach their limits and have fun, how to make them oversteer, how to reach their limits and be efficient, how they behave in various conditions. I've even fiddled with my S60's suspension settings (camber angle mainly, and a little bit of front wheels convergence) to make it even more to my liking.

But I had enough.

RWD is a superior set-up. It has, simply put, more to offer to the driver.

RWD will make absolutely no difference to the average Joe, but while I am no professional driver, believe me, I know my stuff. And I know that a compact car with RWD, sporty set-up and a nice enough engine will be mind-blowing to drive. Just like the M135i or the equivalent M235i. You know, even a basic 2er is great to drive.

I could go on and on explaining tens of reasons why RWD is fundamentally better than FWD, but there's no point to it. You can find many such posts with a quick GCF search, as you'll find many posts why people actually enjoy driving. But it's a fraction of these people, that are not after effortless quickness. These people buy fast Audis. There are some that want to challenge themselves, to sweat in order to go fast, maybe even get scared, but maintain control and have fun.

Given that my daily driver has mechanical steering and will lift-off oversteer without warning, be sure that I like such challenges.

And if I were to buy a premium german compact sedan, I'd really want the best driving experience.

Else, I'd go for the most effortless drive I can get myself, and probably stick to Volvo (that's why I bought it, in the first place).

It's simple as that, my friend.
 
Not beaten because of its driving dynamics.

That all depends on your point of view when assessing this text, as an example:

Autocar said:
BMW has worked hard to give the 218d Active Tourer similar control weighting characteristics to the rest of its line-up, despite the adoption of front-wheel drive.

Its electro-mechanical steering is quite heavy by class standards. It also has a rather direct ratio, which makes it a little more pointy than is perhaps absolutely necessary in a car of this kind. The directness is welcome around town, where it aids impressive manoeuvrability, but I wonder if it might be better served by a slightly more relaxed helm, given the target market.

In a move that is sure to win it fans among enthusiasts, the 2-series Active Tourer is every bit as engaging as the C-Max on the right roads. The inherent directness of the steering lets it arc into corners with the eagerness of a well sorted hot hatch and, on the optional 18-inch rubber of our test car, the onset of understeer is controlled extremely well.

As a result, you can achieve genuinely impressive cornering speeds for such a tall car, making it quite an enjoyable drive. The Golf SV is not as much fun, but it is highly composed when hurried along. There is real depth to the chassis engineering.

It shrugs off excessive entry speed well and can carry quite a lot of momentum into corners before its electronic driving aids spring into action to stop the front end pushing wide. Superb damping contains roll angles well, although it can’t quite match the overall body control of the 218d Active Tourer. Nor does the VW plant its reserves to the road with quite the same authority as the BMW at the exit.

The Golf SV has a lovely consistency to its controls, though. The steering is lighter in feel than the BMW’s but no less effective for it. In fact, it is quite direct, and although it lacks for real feel, it is quite responsive to inputs. The weighting of the throttle and brakes are also lighter. So the VW requires a lot less effort and is less demanding in just about every situation than the BMW.

Read the BMW 2-series Active Tourer first drive review

The BMW can’t match the quietness of the VW while cruising, either. The 218d Active Tourer’s engine suffers from quite a bit of old-fashioned diesel chatter, both on a constant throttle and under load. There is also tyre roar from the front end and wind noise around those large A-pillars at motorway speeds.

The refinement of the Golf SV, on the other hand, is exemplary. Its engine, although clearly a diesel in aural character, is superbly isolated from the cabin. It masks tyre noise well and suffers less annoying wind noise at speed. The VW, which can be ordered with optional adjustable damping control, also possesses the better ride, although the BMW was hampered in this test by its optional 18-inch wheels

See, these are little MPVs we're talking about here - not GTIs. And yet the Golf still appears to be the more rounded product for its intended audience. As far as I'm concerned a sporty MPV is a bit of a contradiction.
 
Yes, an FWD Mini is far sportier than a Polo or A1. It has a better suspension tune-up with stiffer springs and dampers. But deep down, they are all FWD, no matter how good the suspension set-up is. It's a fact that you can't steer with the gas pedal, you will never get rid of torque steer, you will always have lower quality steering from an equivalent RWD set-up (due to the front tyres having to both accelerate and steer, as opposed to just steer) and you can't powerslide.

Believe me, I have had my fair share of FWD over the years. Let alone the various FWD cars I've driven from time to time, I own an old-school french hatch and a full size FWD Volvo, basically the two opposite ends of Front Wheel Drive. I know how to enjoy them, how to handle them, how to reach their limits and have fun, how to make them oversteer, how to reach their limits and be efficient, how they behave in various conditions. I've even fiddled with my S60's suspension settings (camber angle mainly, and a little bit of front wheels convergence) to make it even more to my liking.

But I had enough.

RWD is a superior set-up. It has, simply put, more to offer to the driver.

RWD will make absolutely no difference to the average Joe, but while I am no professional driver, believe me, I know my stuff. And I know that a compact car with RWD, sporty set-up and a nice enough engine will be mind-blowing to drive. Just like the M135i or the equivalent M235i. You know, even a basic 2er is great to drive.

I could go on and on explaining tens of reasons why RWD is fundamentally better than FWD, but there's no point to it. You can find many such posts with a quick GCF search, as you'll find many posts why people actually enjoy driving. But it's a fraction of these people, that are not after effortless quickness. These people buy fast Audis. There are some that want to challenge themselves, to sweat in order to go fast, maybe even get scared, but maintain control and have fun.

Given that my daily driver has mechanical steering and will lift-off oversteer without warning, be sure that I like such challenges.

And if I were to buy a premium german compact sedan, I'd really want the best driving experience.

Else, I'd go for the most effortless drive I can get myself, and probably stick to Volvo (that's why I bought it, in the first place).

It's simple as that, my friend.
I fully agree with you. RWD is the best. (Hey look at my avatar...) I just thought you would not buy it just for being FWD.

We had a poll about what was the most important reason to buy a car. Almost all found "driving dynamics" the main reason.

Although I am not in the market for an 1er/A3 etc. I hope (no expect) BMW will deliver the 1er with the best "driving dynamics" possible for a FW driven car.
 
If you spent less time racking up your post count and more time following the trending discussions on this forum then you would have observed the copious amount of background posts I have made in the debate around the UKL-based platform.

This is one of the biggest turnarounds in a car maker's strategy since Mercedes Benz decided to make an A-Class or Porsche, an SUV. It is a fundamental change in the compact car market dynamic and also a great loss to the consumers (and fans of the brand like BMW zealot klier) that it looks like the days of a compact, RWD BMW are soon to be over. This means the END of brilliant cars like the M135i and M235i. Vorbei und vergessen.

This is a big problem for people who love to drive.

I love to drive too. But the enthusiasts, and I´m a such one too, are the minority. When I have a look at the sales figures I see the most cars have been sold with 4 cylinder engines. The debate about the change from 6 to 4 cylinder at more and more engines is sad but not to change. When I observe other forums there are much criticism to this theme too. But the most of the members don´t drive a BMW 6 cylinder or BMW anyway.
An other large group of customers are drivers of company cars. They leased a BMW because BMW made the best offer and nothing else.

Theme FWD: For much customers it plays not a role if their car has FWD or RWD. Many customers don´t know which drive the car has. I´m sure they don´t understand the mindset of the most here.

The sales figures of Mercedes A- and B-Class admit BMW that the way they are going is correct. And I´m sure the BMW models with FWD will find their customers and friends.
I know the theme RWD has all the time an other status as at Mercedes.

We can´t change it and have to life with the decision of the BMW board. I understand your mindset because I have the same one. But who want a RWD get this in future too. Who want a 6 cylinder get it too.
And I´m still hoping the next 2 series coupe will get RWD.
 
Still, the first and second generation 1er did sell a lot, despite them being RWD. As I said, it won't matter to most people, but BMW still had the enthusiasts covered.

Also, whether the engine has 4 or 6 cylinders, runs on gas or diesel, is not the most important parameter, at least for me. A proper chassis and engaging drive can be enjoyed even with an entry-level engine. Yes, a combination of a good I6 gas engine and a nice drive is spectacular, but you can't dismiss a car just because of its engine.

If I were to buy myself a 3er, I'd get a lower end I4 engine, because that's what I can afford. But the chassis would still be as capable as that of a 335i!
 
And I´m still hoping the next 2 series coupe will get RWD.
Problem is, as Scott wrote on another forum. If the next 2er is RWD it will be based on the 35up platform and the next 2er will be as big as the new 3er, the 4er will grow to accomodate the 2er below.
If this is correct it seems we can get a small fwd bmw 2er or a relatively large rwd 2er.
 
I love to drive too. But the enthusiasts, and I´m a such one too, are the minority. When I have a look at the sales figures I see the most cars have been sold with 4 cylinder engines. The debate about the change from 6 to 4 cylinder at more and more engines is sad but not to change. When I observe other forums there are much criticism to this theme too. But the most of the members don´t drive a BMW 6 cylinder or BMW anyway.
An other large group of customers are drivers of company cars. They leased a BMW because BMW made the best offer and nothing else.

Theme FWD: For much customers it plays not a role if their car has FWD or RWD. Many customers don´t know which drive the car has. I´m sure they don´t understand the mindset of the most here.

The sales figures of Mercedes A- and B-Class admit BMW that the way they are going is correct. And I´m sure the BMW models with FWD will find their customers and friends.
I know the theme RWD has all the time an other status as at Mercedes.

We can´t change it and have to life with the decision of the BMW board. I understand your mindset because I have the same one. But who want a RWD get this in future too. Who want a 6 cylinder get it too.
And I´m still hoping the next 2 series coupe will get RWD.
I agree with you, but to be honest if BMW would make my car FWD I would be pissed too (despite it would possibly be the best FWD).
 
I agree with you, but to be honest if BMW would make my car FWD I would be pissed too (despite it would possibly be the best FWD).

I would be pissed in same way. I hope they let the FWD below the 3-series. But I can´t imagine that the board could decide to change from RWD to FWD at the 3-series. At the other side I was not able to imagine that BMW will built a FWD car ever. :eek:
 
Can someone tell me what are the official or business reasons to base this car on the Active tourer platform and not on the much more natural candidate that is the F20 ?
 

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