1 Series [Spyshots] BMW 1 Series F20/21 Facelift (LCI) Spy pics/renders/discussion

[bmwownage]

this is probably max we'll get.

 

[klier]

Give us a DIY or GTFO.

From their Facebook, depending on which model it is from €2000 to €2999. Including painting, parts and labour. So worth it, I can already guarantee this will look better than the real F20 LCI.

 

[Mr Robert]

Ok, thats it. If the LCI comes out looking any less glorious than the Frankeworks, then screw BMW; you don't know what's best for you.

 

[as7920]

this is probably max we'll get.

But isn't that enough? Amazing how such subtle tweaks can make a whole lot of difference.
Personally I don't like the bastardised combination of the 1er and 2er. Each need their own identity and IRL the 1er isn't as ugly (at least in M Sport guise) as people make out.

 

[mini_cooper4]

The conversion is cheap and you will be unique ^^

Now go buy an M135i!!! Cancel that sh!t!

It would make me feel like I'm driving a fake BMW.
Now... if it was the official 1er LCI... it would have been more than welcome.

Ahhh and one more thing - You like the S1

 

[bmwownage]

the 1er has its own character and it doesn't look exactly bad, i guess we should stop being 100% negative on the 1er design as there are owners here, but it's fact that the 1er is dumbed down so that it looks a whole lot more junior, less proper and less upscale car than the 2er. It doesn't need the exact front of the 2er (although i don't see any problem in doing that since A-class vs CLA; A3 sb vs A3 sedan has identical fronts), but i also don't think it needs weird headlights like that.

 

[klier]

Ahhh and one more thing - You like the S1

S1 and S3 are lovely no doubt. The best Audi has imo.
Of course, many congrats my friend!

And I see what you mean by saying it would be a fake BMW.
But lets just call it individual instead of fake. It's all OEM BMW after all.

Personally I don't like the bastardised combination of the 1er and 2er. Each need their own identity and IRL the 1er isn't as ugly (at least in M Sport guise) as people make out.

Ash, I know it must suck reading that stuff about the ugly front all the time
At least looks are subjectve and the fantastic driving characteristics of the 1er are not!!
And it's mostly hyperbole really. I don't think it as ugly as we (I) keep saying. It can be a while lot better though. And 2er front would be brilliant on it imo!! Who cares if they have the same front?

 

[EnI]

this is probably max we'll get.

More or less. Although the width of the car won't be changed (as implied on the CGI - giving the car more flared front wheel arches).

The kidney grilles are getting wider, the air intakes are getting larger, some details are changed, some creases & surfaces on the bumper around the grille & headlights are slightly redone to give the nose more 3D appearance. Also, when inspecting the prototype, it seemed the headlight graphics was just a bit different due to inner cluster design elements changed ... But I'm not 100% sure since the changes there (if any) were minimal. Regarding the headlight-grille connection: it seemed to me there was none ... if any then a mere thin chrome line ... nothing as prominent like in the case of 3er etc.

So, the new nose looks much more composed & more aggressive, less dorky. It's more in line with 2er Coupe & 2er Active Tourer yet still 1er-specific (headlight design).

 

[klier]

Headlight design is the worst part of the car, but ok.

I'd just put the M235i front on it then.

 

[EnI]

Headlight design is the worst part of the car, but ok.

I'd just put the M235i front on it then.

I don't mind the headlight design. I find the headlight cluster design very distinctive. What I would change is the graphics since the size difference between outer & inner corona is just too big. And I don't like the turn indicator position in the inner corona at all. The outer corona should be a bit smaller, and there would be enough space for a turn indicator at the outer edges of the cluster.

What looks wrong on 1er - making the nose looking completely dorky & saggy - are the too squarish & thus too tall-looking grille kidneys. This makes the nose's look too high & not wide enough. The too subtle creases (lack of more visual 3D surfacing) around the grille also contribute to the heavy look of the nose - due to too much "blank" surface between the grille, headlights & air intakes.

The LCI changes will be subtle yet they will have enough impact to make the nose more 3D, more aggressive & not looking heavy & saggy anymore. Expect the LCI 1er to be announced later this year. (Also announced this year: X4, 2er Gran Tourer, 2er Cabrio and the new X6).

 

[mini_cooper4]

S1 and S3 are lovely no doubt. The best Audi has imo.
Of course, many congrats my friend!

Thanks, mate!
I agree tho the best Audi list should include the R8 too

 

[klier]

I don't think that changing the graphics will change much when the base is wrong to begin with, but we'll see. It will be interesting to see what happens either way.

 

[bmwownage]

don't you realise the headlight graphics is simply a result of the headlight shape? i don't know what made and makes the designer thinks that a hatch need headlights that are so tall on the edge, but not on the coupe. i don't know the strategy, with MB and Audi trying to make their A3 and A class as close to their other mainstream models as possible, BMW tries their hardest to differentiate the 1er and makes sure that everyone knows that it is different:
1) weirder design, more so with the F20
2) the fuel door / opening is circular on the 1er hatch, which is of a pull-out mechanism; but rectangular on everything else with a push and pop out mechanism
3) the interior mirrors are the shape of Mini's, not the hexagonal shape of everything else.

And thanks for pointing out in the CGI above, the LCI model was made wider so it looks to have a better stance, but in fact it won't be, as Eni pointed out.

 

[EnI]

I don't think that changing the graphics will change much when the base is wrong to begin with, but we'll see. It will be interesting to see what happens either way.

The graphics is not going to be changed much (if at all) - at least the coronas are staying the same. Yet it seemed to me that the inner part of the cluster had been changed a bit. But I'm not 100% sure, as said. The car was still taped & headlights dirty, so ...

don't you realise the headlight graphics is simply a result of the headlight shape?

The outer corona is disproportionally big(ger). It could be smaller (although still slightly bigger than the inner one) and that would create space for a turn indicator either on the outer or the lower edge of the cluster (so, below the outer corona or beside it).

 

[Mr Robert]

Headlight design is the worst part of the car, but ok.

I'd just put the M235i front on it then.

Yeah, maybe the next 1-series will be better. I really love the M135i, but I don' think I could spend the money on that OEM front. I'm that shallow... even less inclined, now that I know how easily BMW could have done the job right from the beginning.

Frankenstein route could be an alternative later on.

 

[klier]

Next 1er will be FWD so it will be worse.

In other words, THIS IS IT! The last chance to make a perfect RDW hot hatch. F80 M3 engine as a final salute please, with M235i front (M2) and F80 style rear fenders!

/dream

 

[Mr Robert]

Ok, then I think I must get me one of those M135i:s and franken it. Will wait a while to make the conversion worth it. A shame, really...

 

[bmwownage]

i wonder whether the engineers are pissed, they did a great job in making a great car yet it's given a very sub-optimal fascia.

 

[Mr Robert]

i wonder whether the engineers are pissed, they did a great job in making a great car yet it's given a very sub-optimal fascia.

But as long as it sells, thats not a problem.

 

[bmwownage]

But as long as it sells, thats not a problem.

don't you think it could've sold better?