S-Class (W223) [Spy Shots] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Spy Shots and Info

[Max D]

Motor1:
'Moers says that the next generation of the range-topping C63 and S63 make a switch to a plug-in hybrid powertrain. He doesn't offer too many specifics about the powertrain but indicates that the system is different from the Mercedes' non-AMG PHEVs.
Separately, Moers notes that the AMG is working on a hybrid version of the four-door AMG GT as a competitor against the Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid. The powertrain reportedly uses the division's 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 and an electric motor on each axle. The horsepower output for this setup is still a mystery but should cut the acceleration figure to 60 miles per hour (96 kilometers per hour) to under 3.0 seconds.'
So S63 would be a PHEV! Personally I believed it'd be a hybrid: 48V, ISG (integrated starter-generator), E-Boost etc. But I thought about mild technology, not plug-in. It's a surprise.
Another interesting detail here could be about future flagship S73. Because I believe it get much the same powertrain as GT73 4-door. You can note 'an electric motor on each axle'. What is different to a 2017 GT Concept's powertrain that had only one e-motor on rear axle.

 

[TATE]

Motor1:
'Moers says that the next generation of the range-topping C63 and S63 make a switch to a plug-in hybrid powertrain. He doesn't offer too many specifics about the powertrain but indicates that the system is different from the Mercedes' non-AMG PHEVs.
Separately, Moers notes that the AMG is working on a hybrid version of the four-door AMG GT as a...

more I read through the media comments and rumors, more I think amg 63 models will be mild hybrids 48v with starter generator ,and 73 models with PHEV.
We'll see soon the first hybrid 63 amg, as said by Moers in a recent interview with the British media.
Let's wait a little bit.

 

[klier]

If the next gen C63 is going to be a hybrid, it's going to be a fatter boy than the current car. And the current car already needs a diet. I don't care about 600 hp straight line performance much, I care about fun driving dynamics.

Remember that BEVs have better packaging. The EQS could be as roomy as the S but have a footprint that is closer to the E-Class.

'Better' sounds like an understatement in this context....
You're right, they could probably give a BEV the length of a C class as much interior space as an S.

 

[Max D]

more I read through the media comments and rumors, more I think amg 63 models will be mild hybrids 48v with starter generator ,and 73 models with PHEV.
We'll see soon the first hybrid 63 amg, as said by Moers in a recent interview with the British media.
Let's wait a little bit.

Absolutely agree. I wrote my post being excited after having read only one source from motor1. But after searching more materials in Internet I think that the journalist misleads us with adding monikers (C63 and S63) to 'range-topping' word. Now we know that range-topping car for S-class would be S73, not S63. And yes, S73 would be PHEV. While other AMG versions could be MHEVs with 48v,ISG and EQ-Boost.
Another point is that with S73 powertrain. Some sources say it would have e-motor(s) on front axle without linkage to V8 (like Ferrari SF90). Where is the truth? I don't know. We'll see.

 

[Grosser]

Another point is that with S73 powertrain. Some sources say it would have e-motor(s) on front axle without linkage to V8 (like Ferrari SF90). Where is the truth? I don't know. We'll see.

It will have e-motors on the rear, because engine is in the front.

 

[hannaz]

As always exciting hear about more powerful S class coming. My concern is about V12, will it be getting PHEV version for Maybach??

 

[karolina]

 

[kiril5093]

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[Mick Briesgau]

We're going to see lots of cost reduction measures in the W223. Clearly visible is the gear stick.
Will the W223 live up to the W222 from a quality point of view (used materials etc.)? I'm a bit concerned, to be honest.

 

[fortuner]

We're going to see lots of cost reduction measures in the W223. Clearly visible is the gear stick.
Will the W223 live up to the W222 from a quality point of view (used materials etc.)? I'm a bit concerned, to be honest.

That doesn't sound good at all...is this information you been told or given or your assesment on what you expect..

 

[SKY]

Is that an educated guess or an informed opinion @Mick Briesgau ?

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I am of the (uninformed) opinion that we won't see obvious cost-cutting unless M-B want to be haunted by the warranted ciriticism they received in the very early to mid aughts during the DaimlerChrysler era. But I could very well be wrong since Kallenius has indicated cost-cutting will be very much needed.

 

[Wunderkind]

I am of the (uninformed) opinion that we won't see obvious cost-cutting unless M-B want to be haunted by the warranted ciriticism they received in the very early to mid aughts during the DaimlerChrysler era. But I could very well be wrong since Kallenius has indicated cost-cutting will be very much needed.

I would have thought the S's specs were set in stone three years ago. Can't change them now, or indeed 12 months ago.

The new S class will be no Bentley Conti or Flying Spur on the inside. But it will be the leader among the Audi A8, BMW 7-Series, Porsche Panamera group.

I think the horrors of the DaimlerChrysler days are still fresh in their memory.

 

[Wunderkind]

It must be said that Daimler has done a great job in keeping the S Class interior under wraps so far. Usually a Russian or Chinese model clinic participant would have released scoops of the car and the interior by now.

I guess the one phone only rule and sticker on camera lens rule for preview and clinic participants are working.

 

[Rolf]

We're going to see lots of cost reduction measures in the W223. Clearly visible is the gear stick.
Will the W223 live up to the W222 from a quality point of view (used materials etc.)? I'm a bit concerned, to be honest.

I'm not sure about that cause if you look at the gearlever in this close up shot it looks made from metal instead of plastic like current W222 and maybe could be higher quality I hope.

And then comparison with the new Flying Spur

 

[Merc1]

Mercedes would be foolish to cut back on this next S-Class. It has to be the best car they can possibly build. The threat from electric vehicles and SUVs are too great for them them to drop the ball now, which would be the equivalent to handing over the S-Class' luxury car market share.

M

 

[Mick Briesgau]

That doesn't sound good at all...is this information you been told or given or your assesment on what you expect..

Is that an educated guess or an informed opinion @Mick Briesgau ?

It’s only a combination of what I’m thinking and common sense. MB has to cut costs. As I’ve been told one of the biggest chunks form cost of materials. It’s easier to cut that part than costs of labour.
Most certainly the cost cutting won’t directly be seen or in some places even be felt. My guess is, it’ll show in the long run, the long term quality will suffer. Be sure MB will squeeze it suppliers; their reaction will be: less quality of materials. It’s not as if we haven’t seen it before.

@Rolf I’ll take any bet that gear lever is not made of real metal. It’s an A class gear lever with metallised parts, if you ask me. Besides, the gear lever in the W222 was already a step back from the one used in the W221 and W218.

@Wunderkind S specs being set in stone years ago, doesn’t prefent MB constantly looking for the cheapest supplier possible. Heck, even my W222 MoPf/FL has a lesser interior quality than the pre FL W222. It wears and tears much faster. I’d even go as far and say the interior quality of the pre LCI 7er (haven’t driven the 7 LCI yet) is better than that of the W222 FL.

@Merc1 I do agree, it would be foolish, but has that stopped them before and will it stop them now? I’ve some serious doubts.

 

[Rolf]

I'm not sure about that cause if you look at the gearlever in this close up shot it looks made from metal instead of plastic like current W222 and maybe could be higher quality I hope.

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And then comparison with the new Flying Spur

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Gearlevers from W221 and W220 for comparison purposes. Thanks Mick for highlighting this, it does seem like Mercedes are skimping on quality with small details like this. The gearshifter on the W220 looks the classiest with its chrome and wood surrounds.

W221:

W220:

 

[Merc1]

Yeah, but they are two different type of gear leavers. One is just a stalk the other is a traditional gear shifter. The W220 was such a cheap car inside and out so don't see how the gear shifter makes a difference overall.

M

 

[Yaz]

Pretty sure all recent electronic shifters were the same in all classes.