GT [Spy Shots] Mercedes-AMG Four Door Coupe

[Amat46]

Can mods please clear this thread. No one wants to read through some PR crap here.

 

[Rainer271]

Way off topic with the BMW discussion guys.

Agree.

 

[Merc1]

Please update on why BMW is painstakingly boring and behind Mercedes-Benz at the moment?
Please say you did not read that Bloomberg article because then you will know that the Mercedes EQ and Audi Q8 are not in production. So how can BMW be behind them when it is BMW who are leading the EV/PHEV premium segment?

Ideally BMW are in a prime position. The new 5er has just arrived and is redefining the benchmark as it always has done. And in the course of just under eighteen months there will be an all new BMW X3,X5 and more importantly a new benchmark in the guise of a new 3er amongst other niche and all new models. More importantly the core volume sellers are about to be replaced when Mercedes's equivalents will be entering mid-life.

I am sure the M8 Gran Coupe will be a formidable rival to the AMG 5dr Coupe just as the 8er Gran Coupe will be to the CLS.
Even in the standard M850i v's the "Warm" AMG model. One thing is absolute and that is probably the arrival of an AMG 5dr Coupe means that there will be no high performance version of the CLS just a warm version like the standard E-Coupe.

Uh....maybe because the 7-Series is a dud and the 5-Series looks like one also. Nothing truly new or exciting, just the same warmed over products with a design language inside and out (especially inside) that hasn't change enough to make one notice. BMW is not in a prime position right now losing sales left and right, worldwide and here locally. All this about a M8 and 8 GranCoupe is just fantasy at this point, they aren't on the road. In 18 months? That is an eternity when you don't have anything new. Face it, BMW is sucking wind right now. Magazine victories (5-Series) doesn't always = great sales.

M

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Mercedes-Benz is currently impressing me with its' mastering of "the balancing act" of not alienating its' "traditional, conservative and "more age mature"" clientele (more basic non-AMG sedan and station wagon models) while commanding increasing applaus (as well as revenue) from younger, style-conscious, "more hip" customers as well as bonafide "fuel-running-through-the-veins" affluent enthusiasts.

In my opinion, M-B (AMG) are currently doing this most effectively in comparison to their rivals.

 

[LaArtist]

Guessing you mean me... I'm just hatin' the game... marketing F1 for the road is a thin attempt at appealing to douchebag fair-weather motorsport fans by selling an idea that is fundamentally and intentionally compromised and contradictory right from the off... doesn't matter who does it... but, Mercedes are the only ones doing it.. so....

Lol i don't think those fans can afford the car.

Listen it is an F1 engine, ofcourse tuned down and made workable for road conditions ( this in itself is a challange).

The car will be epic, we get to see the start of a new era of hyper cars, some few rich SOB's will have a field day, and MB can capatalize on their F1 sucess which lord knows cost them so much that the folks over at BMW HQ would jump of the roof if they saw the figures.

Hell with the specific car i wouldn't be surprised if they loose money per unit, but they gain in brand value.

For the moment MB is the only one of the 3 doing something that might show red figures on the paper but is done to add brand value.

What is there to cry about?

 

[Giannis]

Guys, please stay on topic!

 

[Matski]

Seems clear now that the decision to drop the CLS shooting brake for the 3rd gen was because they'd anticipated this filling the 5-Dr coupe niche.

 

[mercpassion]

Basing this car on the E Class sound pretty speculative to me, I mean why would they base a fully fledged GT member on the E without a name change?..

 

[GTA45E]

Seems clear now that the decision to drop the CLS shooting brake for the 3rd gen was because they'd anticipated this filling the 5-Dr coupe niche.

I am going to miss it, no doubts.
The shooting brake version was a good looking car.
Dispite all the complaints about the lines, I personally
thought that gave depth and character to the CLS.

The shooting brake theme might not work on the new model with the lack of character shoulder lines and hips.

 

[mercpassion]

Agreed, the shooting break is maybe the most beautiful estate ever.

 

[Amat46]

 

[Fido]

Which brings me back to my point: what is the role of the CLS now? If the GT4 would be based on the same platform (transaxle) as the GT, I would be perfectly fine.
But no, the CLS and the GT4 are based on the SAME platform, they will share the SAME engines (more or less) and they look almost identical. I simply don't get the point of this car.

Your focusing is wrong. All cars from Mercedes can use the same platform, but AMG's engineer have been working to modify many components from the platform (some of them are completely new) to do more dynamic and specially more light that the used for CLS. It's obvius, the MRA platform has important differences between the base platform and the used for C AMG, E AMG or S AMG.

And particularly with this car, nobody can use the same platform for one CLS 250d and one CLS 63 AMG, because the dynamic is absolutely different. In this car we'll have more light materials, carbon, CFRP, magnesium, .... to reforce some points from the chassis. And we won't find these lights material in a regular CLS model.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

The recent prototype photographs indicate a shallower greenhouse. Not unlike that of the next-gen CLS (E). And despite the E63 BMW 6er "Bangle Butt" cladding, perhaps a slightly notched rear-window/trunk line.

 

[E63 AMG]

Please update on why BMW is painstakingly boring and behind Mercedes-Benz at the moment?
Please say you did not read that Bloomberg article because then you will know that the Mercedes EQ and Audi Q8 are not in production. So how can BMW be behind them when it is BMW who are leading the EV/PHEV premium segment?

Ideally BMW are in a prime position. The new 5er has just arrived and is redefining the benchmark as it always has done. And in the course of just under eighteen months there will be an all new BMW X3,X5 and more importantly a new benchmark in the guise of a new 3er amongst other niche and all new models. More importantly the core volume sellers are about to be replaced when Mercedes's equivalents will be entering mid-life.

I am sure the M8 Gran Coupe will be a formidable rival to the AMG 5dr Coupe just as the 8er Gran Coupe will be to the CLS.
Even in the standard M850i v's the "Warm" AMG model. One thing is absolute and that is probably the arrival of an AMG 5dr Coupe means that there will be no high performance version of the CLS just a warm version like the standard E-Coupe.

The 5 is "redefining the benchmark?" Of course, you must be joking, right?

The 5 has been a floor cleaning tool for the E-Class, the REAL benchmark setter, for the past 5 years.

As well as being unexciting and informidable, BMW is just not cool anymore. I see an i8 or 7, and I ask myself, "you actually bought that?"

 

[chonkoa]

As well as being unexciting and informidable, BMW is just not cool anymore. I see an i8 or 7, and I ask myself, "you actually bought that?"

Funny, but you make a good point about there

 

[SCOTT27]

The 5 is "redefining the benchmark?" Of course, you must be joking, right?

The 5 has been a floor cleaning tool for the E-Class, the REAL benchmark setter, for the past 5 years.

As well as being unexciting and informidable, BMW is just not cool anymore. I see an i8 or 7, and I ask myself, "you actually bought that?"

35,000 new 5er limousine sold globally in just under a month tells you a lot about how brilliant the new 5er is.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

35,000 new 5er limousine sold globally in just under a month tells you a lot about how brilliant the new 5er is.

No it doesn't. It tells you nothing other than 35,000 5 Series were sold. You don't know the reasons for purchasing, how many were company cars where the actual driver didn't have a choice, what incentives were offered, how many were pre-registered by dealers to meet sales figures etc.

The Transformers movies make hundreds of millions of Dollars, but does that mean they're any good?

 

[nikola1984]

No it doesn't. It tells you nothing other than 35,000 5 Series were sold. You don't know the reasons for purchasing, how many were company cars where the actual driver didn't have a choice, what incentives were offered, how many were pre-registered by dealers to meet sales figures etc.

The Transformers movies make hundreds of millions of Dollars, but does that mean they're any good?

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

No it doesn't. It tells you nothing other than 35,000 5 Series were sold. You don't know the reasons for purchasing, how many were company cars where the actual driver didn't have a choice, what incentives were offered, how many were pre-registered by dealers to meet sales figures etc.

The Transformers movies make hundreds of millions of Dollars, but does that mean they're any good?

LOL nailed it.

 

[sako97]

35,000 new 5er limousine sold globally in just under a month tells you a lot about how brilliant the new 5er is.