7 Series (G11) [Spy shots] BMW 7er (G11) Spy Pics & Info

[Mick Briesgau]

No comment...

 

[KiwiRob]

BMW does have a trump card in regards to the G11 that would be a game changer: The M7. That would define the 7 series as a car the S class simply isn't and would allow BMW to play with their "Ultimate Driving Machine" narrative. From a marketing standpoint, M7 has the cachet the 7 series needs and in my opinion, it could actually establish the perception of the 7 series as "The BMW" (sounds menacing).

So you haven't noticed the AMG S Class's. S63, S65?

 

[Busty]

I can't say I disagree with the conclusions you have made about the rear end, but what exactly does "pretty flawless (objectively design-wise) mean? Design is completely subjective. Your supporting points (complexity, sharpness, dynamism) are based on your view that those elements exist...it is certainly not objective.

Anyway, I must say the exterior is shaping up very nicely. It really is a great interpretation of the current 7-series.

No, design is a science in the sense that there are rules defining wrong and right, good and bad. The rules may not be as exact as in maths but are comparable to the empirical aspects of engineering (this was the first thing I as a natural scientist learned from my engineer co-workers in a design department).
All the hard data argue for the G11 here (i.e., lines, aspect ratios, graphics).
What is highly subjective is the implementation of a proposal and the perception of the final product. A technically good sketch may not translate into a good 1:10 model, a great 1:4 model may not make a homogenous 1:1 product. Among numerous reasons for that are technical constraints, environmental factors (e.g., lighting, movement), and finally users' viewing habits and patterns.

The rear indicator glass of the G11 folding in before meeting the small reflector in the trunk lid illustrates such critical points. Great in theory and sketch, giving the unit a gem-like appearance. In the conceptual phase, the designers must have been hyped up about this. But in real life, most people may not see this and with the ones who do there is the risk they will regard it as an unintentional misfit.

What I learned as a rule of thumb is: good design can be reproduced by heart in the outline but not in the detail. Test it! A 911 outline is easy to draw but the details - at least of the current generation aren't. Check! Good design.

 

[Kowalski]

At least it no longer has the piggy snout that spoils the look of the current car. I reckon the new one will look very good in SWB form with the M-sport package, specially in white.

 

[klier]

I reckon the new one will look very good in SWB form with the M-sport package, specially in white.

I agree, or imagine it in something like Carbon Black and with all the chrome pieces blacked out. Will no doubt be really nice in combination with the M pack

 

[mdartisian]

So you haven't noticed the AMG S Class's. S63, S65?

I didn't write that to take away from the AMG S class, but rather to contrast the different perceptions of the two cars: S class luxury, 7 series Sport. MB didn't intend to take the focus off the luxury aspect of the S Class with the AMG models, so the AMG's are high performance variants of their luxury car with the focus still heavily placed on luxury. They don't have aspirations to go head to head with Porsche's Panamera, but rather, with a Flying Spur. Because of the perception of BMW in general, and the fact that the 7 series is not heavily emphasized as "luxury," the M7 would only serve to give the 7 series a stronger identity in that segment of the market. It's commonly said that BMW can't beat the S class at that end of the market in regards to luxury, but they don't have to, at least in my opinion. BMW could easily emphasize the 7 series as "sport," and then everyone has a different place... well, until the A8, and XJ, and Lagonda and... (just kidding).

 

[klier]

^ Spot on. Hilarious how all the MB fans label your previous post as funny.
Insinuating an S class, any S class, is anywhere near sporty is the funny part.

A possible M7 should be like the Panamera. Sporty luxury. And with the weight loss it might actually be just that since the Panny is sporty yet extremely fatty.

 

[kiki voinea]

BMW does have a trump card in regards to the G11 that would be a game changer: The M7. That would define the 7 series as a car the S class simply isn't and would allow BMW to play with their "Ultimate Driving Machine" narrative. From a marketing standpoint, M7 has the cachet the 7 series needs and in my opinion, it could actually establish the perception of the 7 series as "The BMW" (sounds menacing).

God damn it...how old are you ?

"Ultimate Driving Machine"? Do you even know what 7 series and S class stands for ?

Guys , please STOP making this cars...supercars...

NON OF THIS WILL GO ON TRACK...NON OF THIS will go on drag...


LUXURY ≠ SPORT

 

[klier]

^ Looks like someone here has never heard of a Panamera of Quattroporte before.

Going to a track has nothing to do with it and shouting doesn't help.

 

[SCOTT27]

Some car sites reported the new 7 would offer the possibilty to order the new 7 in two different lines, the "Design Pure Excellence" and the "M Sport".

I would say that is more a trim rather than a model line. They have something similar on the X5 and X6 but can you imagine that written on the side of the car or in the tread plate?

 

[KiwiRob]

^ Spot on. Hilarious how all the MB fans label your previous post as funny.
Insinuating an S class, any S class, is anywhere near sporty is the funny part.

A possible M7 should be like the Panamera. Sporty luxury. And with the weight loss it might actually be just that since the Panny is sporty yet extremely fatty.

First of all I'm not an MB fan, I don't see the 7 series as that sporty anymore, it's moving closer to S with each generation. When I think big sporty saloons I think A8, XJ and Quattroporte, the 7 and S are more for older people who don't really want sporty anymore, but with the AMG S class they still want crazy fast, ditto for the M7.

I don't know if the Panamera is in this class of not, it's difficult to classify and I don't see it having any true competitors, it's on it's own. Like the AM Rapid it's a car for driving rather than a car to be driven in.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

NON OF THIS WILL GO ON TRACK...NON OF THIS will go on drag...


LUXURY ≠ SPORT

Right on. Theres a reason why the 'Sporty' Panamera has a questionable ride.

 

[klier]

First of all I'm not an MB fan, I don't see the 7 series as that sporty anymore,....

I know, but it was right up the alley for some advocating the S class in this thread.
And secondly, we can maybe agree with the fact that the 7er used to be the sporty alternative to the S class, a couple of generations back (think E38).
With the lightweight construction and M know-how they can claim that title back this generation. The sporty luxury against the luxurious luxury. I would think the MB fans would actually be happy with that.

 

[Rolf]

I don't see the 7 series as that sporty anymore, it's moving closer to S with each generation. When I think big sporty saloons I think A8, XJ and Quattroporte, the 7 and S are more for older people who don't really want sporty anymore, but with the AMG S class they still want crazy fast, ditto for the M7.

I don't know if the Panamera is in this class of not, it's difficult to classify and I don't see it having any true competitors, it's on it's own. Like the AM Rapid it's a car for driving rather than a car to be driven in.

I agree with you as I also think that the 7-series is not the sporty type limo like the previous generations (E23, E32 and E38). I think it moved away from that "best driving and sportiest limo" slogan since the E65. I would consider the XJ and Quattroporte as more sportier and athletic and then the Panamera as well if it can be considered a luxury car in this class.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I know, but it was right up the alley for some advocating the S class in this thread.
And secondly, we can maybe agree with the fact that the 7er used to be the sporty alternative to the S class, a couple of generations back (think E38).
With the lightweight construction and M know-how they can claim that title back this generation. The sporty luxury against the luxurious luxury. I would think the MB fans would actually be happy with that.

And E38 was much softer and less sporty than E32

 

[klier]

would consider the XJ and Quattroporte as more sportier and athletic and then the Panamera as well if it can be considered a luxury car in this class.

7er will be similar in weight to the XJ, a little lighter even (and bigger). The XJ is sporty because it is light and nimble.

 

[Rainer271]

I would say that is more a trim rather than a model line. They have something similar on the X5 and X6 but can you imagine that written on the side of the car or in the tread plate?

This would make sense. Because Mercedes and Audi are offering lines for the C- and E-Class / A 4 and A 6 but not for S-Class and A8.
I was surprised as I read that BMW will offer different lines for the new 7 because I thought BMW will goes the same way like Audi and Mercedes and would offer the 7 as before as "standard" only.

Small question: Are "mid-range car", "mid-size executive car" and "large executive car" the correct english notations for Mittelklasse (A4, C, 3-series), obere Mittelklasse (A6, E, 5-series) and Oberklasse (A8, S, 7-series)?
Thanks in advance!

 

[Dawid21]

My opinion is, Bmw 7 series, is a luxury car but with more verve, sports always these cars are so associated. Audi A8 very much. However, Mercedes S- Class will be the leader because it is famous for its brand of luxury and prestige and class S especially. I'm sorry will probably some, but Audi A8, is for me without a Word, there is this car nothing extraordinary. Bmw 7 or Panamera will not be as comfortable and as luxury car S-Class.

 

[EnI]

Is there even another true comfort-first luxury car in this segment beside S-class? I don't think so.

All the others emulated 7er's sportier nature: A8, XJ, Quttroporte, Panamera, the upcomnig Cadillac & Infiniti flagships, even LS in the latest edition.

Which brand can even come close to S-class?
Is the S-class in the class of its own ... closer in nature to Bentley & Rolls-Royce than to BMW, Audi, Lexus, Jaguar, Maseratti offers in this segment?

Because it looks like we have an army of luxury sports sedans ... and then we have S-class ... and then Bentley ... and then Rolls-Royce ... as true comfort-oriented luxury sedans. With more emphasis on ride rather on drive.

 

[klier]

Small question: Are "mid-range car", "mid-size executive car" and "large executive car" the correct english notations for Mittelklasse (A4, C, 3-series), obere Mittelklasse (A6, E, 5-series) and Oberklasse (A8, S, 7-series)?
Thanks in advance!

I'd sort of replace mid-range car with something like entry level luxury/executive (A4, C, 3er). Entry luxury, mid size luxury and luxury. Or something, your idea is as good as mine.