Range Rover Sport [Spy Shots] 2022 Range Rover Sport

[BMW4ever]

I would hope someone is paying you to care so much. What a stupid post. It’s a car forum.

M

Concerned about your welfare. It's obviously your main line of work. You may have dependents, mouths to feed.

JLR is notorious for welshing - bilking, in American terminology. They don't abide by in-law product guarantees - warranty in UK parlance. See the latest case above for example. They clearly are above the Law in the UK - Trading Standards, our statutory consumer protection/rights body, run scared, and small claims courts and more serious never seem to come into play when JLR is involved, and of course their books are signed off by the Big 4 accounting firms like water off a duck's back. JLR is a state protectorate, and most/all lawyers(in UK) know it.

So, they may promise you all sorts, for your guerilla marketing work, but just saying, they're bust, biblically bust, and have been for 6/7 years, and at some point Tata will drop this hot potato, especially now India's in Russia's orbit, and leave thousands of JLR's painfully obvious paid shills in the lurch - unpaid.

 

[Merc1]

Concerned about your welfare. It's obviously your main line of work. You may have dependents, mouths to feed.

JLR is notorious for welshing - bilking, in American terminology. They don't abide by in-law product guarantees - warranty in UK parlance. See the latest case above for example. They clearly are above the Law in the UK - Trading Standards, our statutory consumer protection/rights body, run scared, and small claims courts and more serious never seem to come into play when JLR is involved, and of course their books are signed off by the Big 4 accounting firms like water off a duck's back. JLR is a state protectorate, and most/all lawyers(in UK) know it.

So, they may promise you all sorts, for your guerilla marketing work, but just saying, they're bust, biblically bust, and have been for 6/7 years, and at some point Tata will drop this hot potato, especially now India's in Russia's orbit, and leave thousands of JLR's painfully obvious paid shills in the lurch - unpaid.

Seek help.

M

 

[dalab]

It is quite a sensitive color car, almost another car, much better than with that disgusting red and the black wheels with which they presented it

 

[SCOTT27]

It’s an effective re-design. It knows it’s customer base and not to detract from that visually.
I think the Range Rover vertical lights would work well rather than the horizontal lights though. The big question is will people overlook the Sport for the actual Range Rover?

 

[SCOTT27]

 

[rollo]

The proportions are great and that front overhang is epic. It looks like a concept vehicle in side view. I really like what they did with this SUV and look forward to seeing it IRL.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Didn't think this would be the case, but I am on the fence regarding this SUV's exterior. Compared to the outgoing Sport, this looks "plump." A RR Sport ought not to look plump.

 

[BMW4ever]

Seek help.

M

seek a liquidator.

JLR's only bright spot in the last 2 years or so has been the Defender '4x4'(Disco5 in drag). Due to (paid off)Media's huge effort on this, and many, many supposedly intelligent people believing the c0ck and bull story of Covid/Chips/Supply Chain, all causing hugely constricted supply - supposedly - plus hugely pent-up demand post Covid/Lockdowns - supposedly - many of these were bought to flip, far more than actual use-them-as-cars demand.

That shortage thing has now evaporated as fast as it came - was hyped up, created, sold to greedy idiots.

The number of people actually needing a £70-100k+ huge SUV by UK standards that won't fit into parking bays, does real 15 mpg(UK) for the V8, 25 mpg for the I6 diesel around town, costs around £150 to fill, breaks down for fun, has a maker that reneges on guarantees, and is now losing value like any other mass produced car, is in the few thousands a year in UK.

Tata Motor's financial director knows that JLR is finished without an EV. His exasperation with Bollore and JLR at the quarter financial report was obvious.

No brown-stuff, Sherlock. Anyone with a brain knew this market was fluffed up, and had keeled over a couple of months back - when buying food, paying utilities, just barely living,, became more important than buying a new car and flipping it for 5/10% over rrp, as your "business" - past-tense:

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UK is third-world for 90%+ of its inhabitants - subsistence living/debt peons. £70-100k+ toys, breakable ones, that lose a grand a month or more, are not that high on their agenda.

 

[Merc1]

seek a liquidator.

JLR's only bright spot in the last 2 years or so has been the Defender '4x4'(Disco5 in drag). Due to (paid off)Media's huge effort on this, and many, many supposedly intelligent people believing the c0ck and bull story of Covid/Chips/Supply Chain, all causing hugely constricted supply - supposedly - plus hugely pent-up demand post Covid/Lockdowns - supposedly - many of these were bought to flip, far more than actual use-them-as-cars demand.

That shortage thing has now evaporated as fast as it came - was hyped up, created, sold to greedy idiots.

The number of people actually needing a £70-100k+ huge SUV by UK standards that won't fit into parking bays, does real 15 mpg(UK) for the V8, 25 mpg for the I6 diesel around town, costs around £150 to fill, breaks down for fun, has a maker that reneges on guarantees, and is now losing value like any other mass produced car, is in the few thousands a year in UK.

Tata Motor's financial director knows that JLR is finished without an EV. His exasperation with Bollore and JLR at the quarter financial report was obvious.

No brown-stuff, Sherlock. Anyone with a brain knew this market was fluffed up, and had keeled over a couple of months back - when buying food, paying utilities, just barely living,, became more important than buying a new car and flipping it for 5/10% over rrp, as your "business" - past-tense:

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UK is third-world for 90%+ of its inhabitants - subsistence living/debt peons. £70-100k+ toys, breakable ones, that lose a grand a month or more, are not that high on their agenda.

Seek someone who gives a shit. Talk about going pull-fard.

M

 

[Centurion]

That shortage thing has now evaporated as fast as it came - was hyped up, created, sold to greedy idiots.

Really? Lead times across manufacturers is still very long. 2.5 years ago before covid it was 1-3 months wait for a factory ordered car, with plenty of pre-reg on the forecourts. Now, there's supercar level wait time for mass produced passenger cars.

 

[BMW4ever]

Really? Lead times across manufacturers is still very long. 2.5 years ago before covid it was 1-3 months wait for a factory ordered car, with plenty of pre-reg on the forecourts. Now, there's supercar level wait time for mass produced passenger cars.

yes, really. Watch the video, read his reply comments. Many like you are in disbelief. But, retail is retail, and Trade is trade, and you're retail, and the guy's talking about trade, and its now falling like a stone values.

Retail is the mark, the last to know brigade, the ones Trade make their money on.

Who do you think is really buying new cars? The posh EV through the company brigade - 100/130% first year allowance against tax. £0 VED, "business car" always home charged, at ~15p/kWh etc - and those that absolutely need one - ~£20-35k. Hence all the Taycans running about in UK.

As I said, the only people not of those two buying cars in the last 2 years were flippers.

The Media will not tell you this, as their existence is about stoking up the Ponzi, whether house prices, cars, art etc. In addition to being paid for telling lies, to fools, they also have sidelines in buying cars, 'classics', to make more money, so talk their book - '"classic" cars rocketing in value etc'. They're no different to stock market pickers.

 

[BMW4ever]

As no one from the Media has bothered to analyse JLR's situation, especially in light of its sizeable quarter loss(but still massively less than real) - they dare not of course, 'the third rail', don't want to pick up their P45s, or be off the gravytrain - so allow me.

This was inspired this morning by this odd little site, which to be fair to it at least attempted some analysis - compared to zero by the 'heavyweights'/'doyens' like Steve Cropley, Hilton Holloway, Jonny Lieberman, Angus MacKenzie, and of course 'inside-track'/deepthroat' merchant Georg Kacher, not to mention Bloomberg, Reuters, FT, The Times, Guardian, Telegraph, This is Money(Daily Mail), and the 'heavyweight' rags in India.

Jaguar Land Rover is 'happy' with the chip shortage

The global chip shortage is hitting the auto industry hard. Nevertheless, Jaguar Land Rover is not completely dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. According to CEO Thierry Bolloré, Jaguar Land Rover cars have become a lot more attractive. With fewer cars leaving the production line...

www.ruetir.com

This is what Bollore was really saying, spelling it out as clearly as he could, without stating the bleeding obvious:

- 'JLR' will be a fraction of the size it was/was planned to be under Speth

- the garbage, non-Range Rover/Range Rover clone models, will be chopped - wither and die - DSport/Evoque/E-Pace, Velar/F-Pace - hence the massive output fall

- 'JLR' will be pitching itself as Bentley/Rolls-Royce - for price and margin

- 'Jaguar' is still a 'TBA', i.e. no one's come forward to buy it, or show any interest

- everything, as anyone with a brain knew, is bet on Range Rover and its clones - RRSport/Defender/Discovery(5)

- Bollore's masters in Bombay hope this hyper-margin, much reduced overhead strategy - inevitable car plant closures?, major white collar sackings? - will allow them to float JLR on the stock market, and so be rid of it, and get a few bob.

- the clue is in the drip, drip of the new Range Rover order situation - now a whopping 46,000 - according to straight as a die source JLR - up from the 30/31,000 a couple/three months ago - wow!

- this is meant to show that JLR as a floated entity could be mega profitable - approaching Bentley margins, with a multiple of output - that's how they'll pitch the IPO

In summary, JLR is in a worse situation than ever. Posh-EV has killed it stone dead; the ending of the flipping mania amongst greedy idiots in the UK, and to an extent US, buying Defenders etc; and now the almost explicitly stated need to massively shrink the company, both on the production plant side and the overhead cost side - thousands, tens of thousands of white collars for the chop.

 

[Jacke]

 

[Akrapovicowns]

In the wild

 

[Amat46]

As no one from the Media has bothered to analyse JLR's situation, especially in light of its sizeable quarter loss(but still massively less than real) - they dare not of course, 'the third rail', don't want to pick up their P45s, or be off the gravytrain - so allow me.

This was inspired this morning by this odd little site, which to be fair to it at least attempted some analysis - compared to zero by the 'heavyweights'/'doyens' like Steve Cropley, Hilton Holloway, Jonny Lieberman, Angus MacKenzie, and of course 'inside-track'/deepthroat' merchant Georg Kacher, not to mention Bloomberg, Reuters, FT, The Times, Guardian, Telegraph, This is Money(Daily Mail), and the 'heavyweight' rags in India.

Jaguar Land Rover is 'happy' with the chip shortage

The global chip shortage is hitting the auto industry hard. Nevertheless, Jaguar Land Rover is not completely dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. According to CEO Thierry Bolloré, Jaguar Land Rover cars have become a lot more attractive. With fewer cars leaving the production line...

www.ruetir.com

This is what Bollore was really saying, spelling it out as clearly as he could, without stating the bleeding obvious:

- 'JLR' will be a fraction of the size it was/was planned to be under Speth

- the garbage, non-Range Rover/Range Rover clone models, will be chopped - wither and die - DSport/Evoque/E-Pace, Velar/F-Pace - hence the massive output fall

- 'JLR' will be pitching itself as Bentley/Rolls-Royce - for price and margin

- 'Jaguar' is still a 'TBA', i.e. no one's come forward to buy it, or show any interest

- everything, as anyone with a brain knew, is bet on Range Rover and its clones - RRSport/Defender/Discovery(5)

- Bollore's masters in Bombay hope this hyper-margin, much reduced overhead strategy - inevitable car plant closures?, major white collar sackings? - will allow them to float JLR on the stock market, and so be rid of it, and get a few bob.

- the clue is in the drip, drip of the new Range Rover order situation - now a whopping 46,000 - according to straight as a die source JLR - up from the 30/31,000 a couple/three months ago - wow!

- this is meant to show that JLR as a floated entity could be mega profitable - approaching Bentley margins, with a multiple of output - that's how they'll pitch the IPO

In summary, JLR is in a worse situation than ever. Posh-EV has killed it stone dead; the ending of the flipping mania amongst greedy idiots in the UK, and to an extent US, buying Defenders etc; and now the almost explicitly stated need to massively shrink the company, both on the production plant side and the overhead cost side - thousands, tens of thousands of white collars for the chop.

wow that's some serious hatred against a particular brand

 

[rollo]

wow that's some serious hatred against a particular brand

A little harsh with the subjective commentary, however a lot of the top-level conclusions have merit in my view.

 

[Centurion]

Front lip need to be black. Resembles a discovery sport a bit too much from the front

 

[rollo]

Front lip need to be black. Resembles a discovery sport a bit too much from the front

Good catch. I still like it though.

 

[BMW4ever]

buckle up, buttercups:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Doesn't matter how many posts Merc, Scott and the others put up. No one right in the head is buying 10 mpg(US), $100-200k+, non-necessity purchases, when to fill a tank costs north of 100 bucks(nearly $200 bucks equivalent in UK), and the purchase can not be rationalised by flipping, or realising 90%+ of rrp after 12 months. The only game in town for this bracket, this type of customer, in UK especially, but also increasingly in California, and east coast US, is EV - high-end EV - from iXs, through Rivian/Lucid, to EQS SUV, to Spectre etc.

The give-the-game-away is the painfully obvious pushing of the 'New Electric Range Rover Sport' - the one not a thing for at least 2 years - in the promotion, launching of the new RR Sport. Similar happened with the new Full-fat, but they've amped to 11, the subterfuge of the 'New Electric... ', to subliminally lull punters and the world into believing JLR is in the game - the only game in town - EV- Posh EV - THEY'RE NOT.

$6 gas kills JLR stone dead. It was already dead due to no EV. 2 years is 2 years - minimum. You may think JLR is exceptional, and has a divine right to exist. It isn't, and it doesn't. It's bust. Been bust for at least 6 years. It stays alive to save the embarrassment of the UK establishment, and similar for India. Force Majeure, say a world war, or another 'Pandemic', night give these countries cover to pull the plug on it, when it's been dead for ages.

 

[Merc1]

More detached, delusional drivel. Dealers have waiting lists for the new Range Rover and they will have them for new Range Rover Sport. People who can afford these vehicles ARE NOT worry about gas pricing. Poor people worry about gas pricing. High-end SUVs in the U.S. market as still selling in the face of high gas prices so there goes that theory. All gas prices will do is separate those who have money from those who don't when it comes to who is buying one of these or an Escalade, Wagoneer, G-Class etc.

M