Rumor: BMW's Sustainable Sports Car Concept coming to Frankfurt '09

[klier]

EVO rated ML63/Cayenne higher than X6M. Ouch!

Not compared to eachother! But as a standalone product. The expectations for BMW SAV M were higher, and thus they rated the car lower...
Just wait until we have a proper test of Cayenne Turbo S , X6 M and ML 63 and see what they say...

 

[Human]

HAHAAAAAAAAAA! This is how bad your customers want a Supercar BMW!!!

Geeez this is redicoulus!

 

[Shakal]

Ne teaser:

 

[PanterroR]

Check page 11...

 

[Shakal]

Check page 11...

Haven't seen that there is another topic about this concept...

 

[Zafiro]

The expectations for BMW SAV M were higher, and thus they rated the car lower...

Of course the expectations should be high. After all its a M model. All previous models has always been darn fine products and always been the benchmark. We, BMW fans, owners, carjournalists been spoiled with excellent M models so why should we downgrade us and accept a bad BMW product. So far X6M failed to meet the expectations. The next M5 is going to tell us what route future M models will go for - the bad way or the good way.

 

[SCOTT27]

Like the MINI Concepts It is a twin series with the other model to be shown at a later show. The car is a model green lighted for production but has been taken back to incorporate a pure concept car appearance.

The shape will become familiar but in concept form it is the basic frame and tub with aerodynamically enhanced aero additions , when you see it you can imagine what the car would look like when you add the conventional bodyshell to it. Those L shape rear lights are also an incoming light design for the production car and other series sports models.

The car is internally known as Vision Z because of it's affiliation with the Z technik Concept. Even then the ideas for such a car were not well known and generally expensive to contemplate for a series production road car.
Now BMW have found cost effective ways to manufacture these light weight materials. Look at the Carbon Fibre Roofs on the M3 and M6 for example. Technology under Efficient Dynamics was not the only thing BMW understood had to be added to it's cars but they had to make them lighter as well.

Many years ago Z technik was a dream , now it is finally about to be a reality.

 

[SKY]

Like the MINI Concepts It is a twin series with the other model to be shown at a later show. The car is a model green lighted for production but has been taken back to incorporate a pure concept car appearance.

The shape will become familiar but in concept form it is the basic frame and tub with aerodynamically enhanced aero additions , when you see it you can imagine what the car would look like when you add the conventional bodyshell to it. Those L shape rear lights are also an incoming light design for the production car and other series sports models.

The car is internally known as Vision Z because of it's affiliation with the Z technik Concept. Even then the ideas for such a car were not well known and generally expensive to contemplate for a series production road car.
Now BMW have found cost effective ways to manufacture these light weight materials. Look at the Carbon Fibre Roofs on the M3 and M6 for example. Technology under Efficient Dynamics was not the only thing BMW understood had to be added to it's cars but they had to make them lighter as well.

Many years ago Z technik was a dream , now it is finally about to be a reality.

So, the car won´t have bodyshell?.

 

[south]

BTW S63 has a redline of 7200 rpm which is as much as "high reving" NA engine from AMG.

- The engine have the same redline as sDrive50 = 7000 rpm. Thats sucks. (LoL even my babybimmer have a 7000 rpm redline)

Actually, S63 has a redline of 6800 rpm whereas the N63 in the X6 and 7 (50i) has a redline of 6500 rpm.


Best regards,
south

 

[Zafiro]

Actually, S63 has a redline of 6800 rpm whereas the N63 in the X6 and 7 (50i) has a redline of 6500 rpm.


Best regards,
south

That's even worse, now my babybimmer reeving higher than M

 

[bmwblog]

Points taken.



- BUT, media says the X6M feels like a normal X6 to drive. That sucks. BMW should have given the engine in X6M its own character so it differs from other BMW's.

- The engine have the same redline as sDrive50 = 7000 rpm. Thats sucks. (LoL even my babybimmer have a 7000 rpm redline)

- Another problem with X6, the steering is the same as sDrive50. Beauty with M (in the past at least) is that steering are so much better on M versions. More direct feel and quicker.

If people say next M5 drives like a 550i, then BMW got some serious issues.
God forbid it happens

Not all media. I've driven the X6M for at least 4 hrs and especially on track. You can't compare the 2 cars, totally different.

It's like saying M5 and 550i.

 

[Sunny]

Actually, S63 has a redline of 6800 rpm whereas the N63 in the X6 and 7 (50i) has a redline of 6500 rpm.


Best regards,
south

According to the BMW video here about the engine, the redline is 7200 rpm.

BMW X5 M and BMW X6 M : Multimedia highlights (click on the either X5M or X6M and then the pic of the little engine at bottom right)

 

[Zafiro]

Not all media. I've driven the X6M for at least 4 hrs and especially on track. You can't compare the 2 cars, totally different.

It's like saying M5 and 550i.

Thats your opinion and you seem to be a minority. Outside the track the differences are going to be even smaller. Dont bother to try to convince me but the X6M belong to the garbage bin and its certainly not a car a BMW fan should be proud of. Again, its up to the next M5 to show us what M really is about.

 

[Sunny]

I really hope put this engine in the next M5, if not for anything, just to piss you off.

 

[south]

According to the BMW video here about the engine, the redline is 7200 rpm.

BMW X5 M and BMW X6 M : Multimedia highlights (click on the either X5M or X6M and then the pic of the little engine at bottom right)

That's weird, the output graph tells differently as it ends at 6,800 for both power and torque:




Best regards,
south

 

[Sunny]

That's weird, the output graph tells differently as it ends at 6,800 for both power and torque:




Best regards,
south

Yea, I don't know what the deal is. Any way, talking about redline and turbo engines is like saying if an NA engine makes it's peak torque at 3500 rpm or 4000 rpm.

BTW here is another blurb about how the engine is different from the vanilla N63.

The X6M engine is special. The twin-turbo V-8 delivers 555 horsepower. Even more essential for a car of this weight (just over 5100 pounds), the M motor offers 501 pound-feet of torque from 1500 to 5650 rpm. BMW has added something they call “cylinder block compressive exhaust manifold.” Besides the innovative routing of the exhaust to the top of the engine (which was done for the standard version that we get in the 750i, and the X5, and X6), BMW now spins each turbo with exhaust from both banks of the V-8. Because of timing differences in cylinder firing, this speeds up turbo response. I can verify after driving the 750Li last week and now this, that the X6M is noticeably more linear in power delivery.

 

[bmwblog]

Thats your opinion and you seem to be a minority. Outside the track the differences are going to be even smaller. Dont bother to try to convince me but the X6M belong to the garbage bin and its certainly not a car a BMW fan should be proud of. Again, its up to the next M5 to show us what M really is about.

On track the differences were big, without a question. Sure, at 20-30mpg in traffic, yeah, no difference.

But no one should really say that the 2 cars are identical when so many parts are different.

Is it a true M? Probably not. Will it sell within its niche? No doubt, Porsche needs to worry

 

[Zafiro]

I really hope put this engine in the next M5, if not for anything, just to piss you off.

No you dont. You dont want a M drive like a AMG.

 

[Zafiro]

You can see a part of the tyre and it says P-3. Anyone know anything about this tyre? Perhaps it can give us a hint about the car.

 

[Sunny]

No you dont. You dont want a M drive like a AMG.

Putting a turbo engine in a car doesn't make it drive like an AMG. You should also do some research into BMW motorsport's history with turbos a bit more.