Rumor: BMW's Sustainable Sports Car Concept coming to Frankfurt '09

[Zafiro]

Putting a turbo engine in a car doesn't make it drive like an AMG. You should do some research into BMW Motorsport's history with turbos a bit more.

The past isnt exactly helping. X6M has already proven what its like.

 

[Sunny]

The past isnt exactly helping. X6M has already proven what its like.

No, it's just proven what a 5200lb SUV is like. Put the S85 in it and it will still handle same if not worse and be slower.

 

[Zafiro]

No, it's just proven what a 5200lb SUV is like. Put the S85 in it and it will still handle same if not worse and be slower.

but at least the S85 got more character than X6M engine. Sunny , dont act silly now, you want as much as me that the upcoming M's are more special than X6M seem to be. Wishing the next M5 to get the same engine as X6M is just BS.


Do you have any info regarding that P-3 tyre?

 

[Sunny]

but at least the S85 got more character than X6M engine. Sunny , dont act silly now, you want as much as me that the upcoming M's are more special than X6M seem to be. Wishing the next M5 to get the same engine as X6M is just BS.


Do you have any info regarding that P-3 tyre?

Huh, so I don't agree with you, so I am acting silly? You are a better debater than that.

Yea, a high revving engine will have more character than a turbo engine, but there are things a turbo engine can do, that a hig revving NA engine can't. Which is where the all important question of what is appropriate comes in. In a lightweight sports car, a high revving NA engine is bliss and I do hope BMW makes a 3200lb M1 with a 9000 rpm I6 engine. But in a 5200lb SUV, a high revving NA engine is going to do a terrible job. M could have easily shoved a S85 in there and called it a day, but they didn't. A 4000+ lb sports sedan which what the next M5 will most probably be, you could go either way and I am open to either.

The difference is, you have some misplaced prejudice against turbo engines, while I appreciate both.

As for P3, it is probably some Pirelli tire.

 

[Deutsch]

On track the differences were big, without a question. Sure, at 20-30mpg in traffic, yeah, no difference.

But no one should really say that the 2 cars are identical when so many parts are different.

Is it a true M? Probably not. Will it sell within its niche? No doubt, Porsche needs to worry

Someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.

 

[Zafiro]

The difference is, you have some misplaced prejudice against turbo engines, while I appreciate both.

Not true, I have no problem with Turbo engines and if the X6M would have driven differently I wouldnt be against this engine. Heck, my next car might be Turbo charged (hint Scirrocco 2.0T).

 

[Sunny]

Not true, I have no problem with Turbo engines and if the X6M would have driven differently I wouldnt be against this engine. Heck, my next car might be Turbo charged (hint Scirrocco 2.0T).

So you shouldn't have a problem with next M5 getting this engine if it handles like an M5 should?

Which again goes back to my point about M making a blunder of using a 5200lb truck to debut turbo engines.

 

[Zafiro]

So you shouldn't have a problem with next M5 getting this engine if it handles like an M5 should?

Well, I rather see a V10 Twin turbo and with a engine with more character. RS6 is doing pretty well in media with its V10 TT.

 

[Sunny]

Well, I rather see a V10 Twin turbo and with a engine with more character. RS6 is doing pretty well in media with its V10 TT.

I thought media was pretty luke warm towards the RS6's under steering character thanks to the massive V10 slung in front of the front axle. Anyway, I don't care if it is 10 or 8 cylinders. Yea, 10 sound more exotic, but what matters is the end result. A V8 is probably better for handling cause it will be shorter and more compact.

You will be interested to know, R34 GTR Z-tune had a 500HP I6TT engine with a 9000 rpm redline. Would love to see something similar in the next M3.

 

[klier]

Well, I rather see a V10 Twin turbo and with a engine with more character. RS6 is doing pretty well in media with its V10 TT.

If you think the RS6 engine has more character or is better than the BMW 4.4 V8 M, you are making a little mistake. There is no way in hell the Audi engine is better than the brand new BMW M engine..

And I still stand that the X6 is best in class. We will discuss this further after the first vs. tests if you are still badmouthing the X6 M so much by then

Now, back to the crazy concept again? Two days to go

 

[NarutoRamen]

I
And I still stand that the X6 is best in class.

I'm sorry but X6 doesn't belong in any damn class. The only "direct" competitor to the X6 is the new Acura ZDX. So I guess you're right, X6 is the best in its class.

 

[klier]

Ok then, X5 M. It's the same car, but more practical Difference between X5 M and X6 M is much smaller than E90 M3 vs E92 M3!

 

[NarutoRamen]

Ok then, X5 M. It's the same car, but more practical Difference between X5 M and X6 M is much smaller than E90 M3 vs E92 M3!

I'd say it's much larger. The coupe compliments those who don't need the extra doors of the sedan. With the X6, who the hell gets an SUV and says, "You know what, I don't need this much room and instead of getting a smaller SUV, I'll get something just as big but with less room for my passengers and stuff." It just totally contradicts the whole point of having something that big.

 

[klier]

Ok, I should have said the same car technically. Meaning they will pretty much feel the same when driving

 

[NarutoRamen]

Ok, I should have said the same car technically. Meaning they will pretty much feel the same when driving

I don't have any issue with that and say I'd agree with you.

 

[Sayyaaf]

but that was only becuase the compare it to M3 E46. The problem with X6M is that people compare the X6M to a normal X6. You see the difference, right.
And a 2000 kg "sporty" SUV will never be on a top ten list.

Andreas: you never really cared what the press say about a car especially a Beemer, so why bothering now ? give yourself a rest for the time being and give it a shot once the car is out. I know you are no big SUV fan but drive any other SUV and the X6/5M back to back and judge yourself ..

And as Sunny said: FI is the only to go for a heavy SUV. I've driven NA SUVs (except the ML) and they feel slow even though the same engine can make wonders on smaller cars .. Jaguar and RR are an example ..

 

[Deutsch]

This is getting UBER retarded. Kill the noise JM.

 

[chonkoa]

. With the X6, who the hell gets an SUV and says, "You know what, I don't need this much room and instead of getting a smaller SUV, I'll get something just as big but with less room for my passengers and stuff." It just totally contradicts the whole point of having something that big.

I do. Gave up an M3 for an X6.

 

[Deutsch]

I do. Gave up an M3 for an X6.

Damn. The trick AWD system must really elevate the handling/performance of the X6 by some margin over an M car?

 

[klier]

This is getting UBER retarded. Kill the noise JM.

JM wants to be a part of the 'we complain about everything BMW' group. That much has been obvious in the last couple of months.