Return of the King? Maybach Coupé


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Four electric motors and an 80-kilowatt-hour battery offer power and range to match the beautiful look.
Debuting during Monterey Car Week, the Vision Mercedes-Maybach 6 concept takes clear inspiration from streamlined exterior designs from the 1930s, like on pre-war Bugattis and Talbot-Lagos. The classic look should fit in perfectly with the many classic vehicles on hand for the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance.

The Vision 6 looks best in profile, where you can admire its flowing lines and see the coupe’s immense size. Chrome strips also accentuate the curvaceous body. The gullwing doors are a fantastic reference to Mercedes’ past, too. A massive chrome grille with vertical slats dominates the front end, and just a narrow line of LEDs flank each side. At the rear, there are two, tiny split windows with a small fin between them, and the designers beautifully sculpt the tail and diffuser into a sophisticated curve.

The Vision 6’s gargantuan footprint is very imposing, and we’d love to see how it looks in a darker color. Measuring 222 inches (5.6 meters) long, the vehicle is about an inch larger than a Rolls-Royce Phantom Coupe. The Maybach appears even bigger, though, because being just 52.3 inches (1,328 millimeters) tall accentuates the flowing lines across the body. For reference, a Phantom Coupe has a height of 62.9 inches (1,598 mm).

Maybach's designers used similar proportions with a long nose and rear-biased cabin on the Exelero in 2004. However, they trade the earlier coupe's sharper edges for more graceful curves on this concept.
 
Panelgaps on this car are almost non existant, i could barely find the gap for the doors. I thought they photoshopped it away, but they are really tight like a mans anus ( borat voice)
 
I took my old man's S500 to the dealer for some minor works this morning and I sat in the display S500 Maybach for a good 10 minutes and I have to say the Maybach is what it is - a LWB S Class - and there are still many plastic bits (the vanity mirror for the rear passengers, the LED lights on top of the rear seats, the air-con vents on the B-pillars) that needs to be improved upon if the next Maybach is to become a true RR and Bentley competitor.

The price of the S500 Maybach has come down by about 10% in Hong Kong due to the lower Euro.

Thank you for checking it out. So far we only have Mercedes-Maybachs, and it's not clear if there are plans to introduce a next standalone Maybach. And yes, the differences between the Mercedes-Benz S-Class and Mercedes-Maybach S-Class may be quite subtle. MB Passion tried to list a few the other day. :)



Aeroacoustics: in the back of the world's quietest production saloon

Inside the Mercedes-Maybach S-Class, the level of wind noise is impressively low and, despite the large windows, betters even the quietest car in the world – the S-Class Coupé. For passengers in the rear, the Mercedes-Maybach S-Class is the world's quietest production saloon car. Extensive measurements were also taken in experimental vehicles considering the fully reclined position in the rear. That is because positioning the passenger away from the side windows and towards the rear window and triangular windows creates a new acoustic situation.

Special seals optimise the noise insulation, thereby ensuring excellent aeroacoustic performance in the rear. These include seals over the C joints in the rear doors, which have a hose profile rather than the usual lip seal, as well as bonded triangular windows with a special seal.

Other measures in the rear compartment are a generous area of insulation around the single seats extending from the seat cushion over the rear panel to the parcel shelf. Intelligent air ducting around the parcel shelf reduces the intrusion of noise, and sealed inertia reels on the seat belts prevent possible disturbing sounds. The textile underbody and wheel arch lining have an insulating and absorptive effect, which reduces high-frequency tyre noise in the interior.

A new aeroacoustic wind tunnel at the Mercedes-Benz Technology Centre in Sindelfingen became operational in September 2013 and played a crucial part in achieving excellent, quiet running. For example, the conveyor belt/balance system there is integrated into a turntable with a diameter of twelve metres. This means that test vehicles can also to be subjected to an angled flow of air in order to simulate crosswinds.


Measures taken for enhanced noise and vibration comfort

  • Carcass-foam and patches in the area of B- and C-pillars
  • Local wall thickness increases in particularly effective areas
  • Cockpit crossmember in metal-plastic hybrid design
  • Engine mounts bolted to new 3-point connection to the I-beams (not for 4MATIC model of the S 500)
  • Enlarged front wall insulation for better sound insulation throughout the interior
  • Reduction of idle vibrations in the S500 4MATIC model
  • Upgraded insulation of the tunnel region and modular driveline partition
  • Lowered speeds in conjunction with 9G TRONIC for reduced outside noise
  • Tube-in-tube element in the steering shaft to prevent transmission of engine noise over the steering into the passenger compartment
  • Reduction of howling sensitivity by suitable coordination and rigid subframe at the rear axle
  • Large attenuation in the area of the single seats, which extends from the seat surface over the backplane to the rack
  • Intelligent air flow in the hat rack to reduce sound entry
  • Enclosed belt retractor against potential noise
  • Textile underbody and wheel arch reduce high-frequency road noise penetration into the interior by insulating and absorbing effect

As a result, experts in aeroacoustics were able to study the perfect design for the door structure of the Mercedes-Maybach S-Class under wind load. The door seal must fit closely even when subjected to a constant or gusty sidewind such as would be encountered when passing a truck, on bridges, in wooded areas or when driving on a coastal road. Despite negative pressure on the side away from wind, the door must never be pulled more than a few millimetres away from the seal. Large doors are particularly susceptible to this phenomenon because strength is a product of (negative) pressure and area.


Aerodynamics: many details with optimum flow


With a Cd value of 0.26, the Mercedes-Maybach S-Class maintains the brand's leading position in the area of aerodynamics.
A whole raft of aerodynamic optimisations has been implemented:
  • Wheel spoilers with aerodynamically optimised contour ahead of the front wheels
  • Large area of cladding on the rear axle
  • Aerodynamically efficient design of the front and rear aprons and the rear spoiler
  • Optimised exterior mirror design with mirror base
  • Sealed headlamp surrounds
  • Improved sealing of the radiator section and flow properties to make efficient use of the available cooling air
  • Streamlined water drainage channels
  • Speed-dependent lowering of the vehicle by up to 20 mm
  • Spoiler lip on each tail light
  • Aerodynamically optimised underbody with extensive engine compartment and underbody panelling
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I would love to know the noise level dbA value of the Mercedes Maybach at 160km/h and at 200km/h. The S-class coupe achieved 68dbA at 160km/h and 72dbA at 200km/h in AMS test.
 
^ MB uses their own aeroacoustic index. Not sure if or how that can be compared to the test AMS performs. Here's an article about S-Coupe testing. Not yet in the new aeroacoustic windtunnel they now have in Sindelfingen next to the design studio. :)




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New S-Class Coupe sets wind noise record

The world’s quietest car through the air is also one of the biggest

Size isn’t everything, but it helps to slip through the air more calmly than anything else, if Mercedes-Benz’s new S-Class Coupe is any indication.

At the car’s launch in Florence this week, Mercedes-Benz claimed its two-tonne coupe generated less wind noise than any other series production car in the world.

Measurements taken at the Unterturkheim wind tunnel prove the S-Class Coupe has lower wind noise even than this year’s new S-Class limousine, according to the Head of Aerodynamics at Mercedes-Benz, Dr Teddy Woll.

“The S-Class limousine is second, according to our measurements, and the Audi A7 with the acoustic glass and the Bentley Continental GT would be tied for third, though the old Maybach is close,” Dr Woll insisted.

“The Lexus cars are good up to 100km/h but drop away at high speed, and the higher the speed the more they drop away. They don’t seem as focused on this as they were a decade ago,” he claimed.

Mercedes-Benz ranks interior wind noise using its own aeroacoustics index, which takes into account the interior sound level, psychoacoustic variables (like the sharpness of the sounds and the ability to hear conversations over the background noise) and different frequencies.

It uses the Untertürkheim wind tunnel, designed in the early 1940s to accommodate cars as well as fighter planes, to deliver its baseline test and has a database of tens of thousands of cars and model variants dating back to 1954.

“We measure the wind noise with a dummy head, but not with a rolling road. With a rolling road you have road noise and you have the hydraulic noise of all the systems as well,” he explained.

“We measure at 90km/h, 140km/h and 200km/h and in all speeds we are the quietest, but we have a greater advantage at higher speeds. The faster we go the higher the advantage.

“We don’t measure at 130km/h because nobody goes at 130 km/h. If the speed limit is 130km/h they all go at 140km/h.”

Dr Woll said the aerodynamics team worked on the S-Class Coupe from very early in its development, working on cleaning up the bodyshell and the door sealing along with the underbody.

“We have done so much progress in exterior noise, which obviously helps the interior noise, and then we have 6mm of laminated glass, so it’s by far the quietest inside,” he said.

But there are limits to what can be done on current technology, he warned.

“You can’t do noise cancelling, like a Bose headphone set, for the sheer volume of the car’s interior. Those things have to do their cancelling close to the source.

“For other steps, you can do engine-order cancellation, which Honda is talking about.

"They want to cancel engine noise at lower revs and high torque situations via noise-cancelling electronics, but we have dual-mass flywheels that basically do the same thing mechanically.”

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/pre...ew-s-class-coupe-sets-wind-noise-record-44369
 
^ MB designers might claim it's Autobahn Courier/aviation industry inspired, though? :)

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http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/mercedes-benz-amg-vision-gran-turismo.49890/page-4

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Mercedes-Benz Autobahnkurier

This project sets out to explore the future of high-speed luxury coupes, yet takes its inspiration from the past - more specifically, the Mercedes-Benz 540K Autobahnkurier that was designed to take advantage of the newly-built Autobahns in Germany in the 1930s. The updated car drives between the world's megacities at speeds of up to 300kmh on next-generation highways and is powered by four electric motors. While the technology is futuristic, the design follows its '30s predecessor, with simple surfaces and aero forms inspired by the aviation industry. Source: Car Design News

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/mercedes-benz-whats-next.47554/page-58
 
New S-Class Coupe sets wind noise record

The world’s quietest car through the air is also one of the biggest

Size isn’t everything, but it helps to slip through the air more calmly than anything else, if Mercedes-Benz’s new S-Class Coupe is any indication.

At the car’s launch in Florence this week, Mercedes-Benz claimed its two-tonne coupe generated less wind noise than any other series production car in the world.

Measurements taken at the Unterturkheim wind tunnel prove the S-Class Coupe has lower wind noise even than this year’s new S-Class limousine, according to the Head of Aerodynamics at Mercedes-Benz, Dr Teddy Woll.

“The S-Class limousine is second, according to our measurements, and the Audi A7 with the acoustic glass and the Bentley Continental GT would be tied for third, though the old Maybach is close,” Dr Woll insisted.

“The Lexus cars are good up to 100km/h but drop away at high speed, and the higher the speed the more they drop away. They don’t seem as focused on this as they were a decade ago,” he claimed.

Mercedes-Benz ranks interior wind noise using its own aeroacoustics index, which takes into account the interior sound level, psychoacoustic variables (like the sharpness of the sounds and the ability to hear conversations over the background noise) and different frequencies.

It uses the Untertürkheim wind tunnel, designed in the early 1940s to accommodate cars as well as fighter planes, to deliver its baseline test and has a database of tens of thousands of cars and model variants dating back to 1954.

“We measure the wind noise with a dummy head, but not with a rolling road. With a rolling road you have road noise and you have the hydraulic noise of all the systems as well,” he explained.

“We measure at 90km/h, 140km/h and 200km/h and in all speeds we are the quietest, but we have a greater advantage at higher speeds. The faster we go the higher the advantage.

“We don’t measure at 130km/h because nobody goes at 130 km/h. If the speed limit is 130km/h they all go at 140km/h.”

Dr Woll said the aerodynamics team worked on the S-Class Coupe from very early in its development, working on cleaning up the bodyshell and the door sealing along with the underbody.

“We have done so much progress in exterior noise, which obviously helps the interior noise, and then we have 6mm of laminated glass, so it’s by far the quietest inside,” he said.
Great post @Wolfgang thanks alot. It shows that Mercedes have been the masters of refinement and noise suppression for many years. So much detail they go into sound deadening materials and design to reduce NVH to a minimum, brilliant stuff.
 
Great pic. I go for the Concept One.

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Courtesy of Rimac Automobili

Don't wanna ruin the party, the Maybach Concept looks fantastic. But (and this is a serious question): how could a car that is 5.5m long, 1.33m high, and probably 2m wide not look impressive and imposing? Also, an electric drivetrain in such a huge 2-seater (!!) does not make sense imo.
Hope to not get mauled for that :).
 
I think the only elements of this concept that will be seen in production cars will be the front end, the clean and muscular side profile and the screen-less interior.
 
^ Starting at around 4:15 in this interview, MB explains a bit why they do these Vision things. It's a way to look into the future for the design team, and try to make it happen, to "lasso the future", so to speak. :)

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Here' the Vision Mercedes-Maybach 6 advanced design team, I believe. :)

 
The paint quality on that car is extraordinary it has such a high gloss and deep luster. The shade of red used is really fantastic.
 
Don't wanna ruin the party, the Maybach Concept looks fantastic. But (and this is a serious question): how could a car that is 5.5m long, 1.33m high, and probably 2m wide not look impressive and imposing? Also, an electric drivetrain in such a huge 2-seater (!!) does not make sense imo.
Hope to not get mauled for that :).

To me, Concept One has an Agera rear and a mutt front. The mixed design language, which is increasingly common, is not appealing.

The Vision Mercedes-Maybach 6 is a modern take on a classicaly-proportioned automobile. It's one I would follow, just to appreciate its beauty.
 
Thank you, @Wolfgang. That Guy Kawasaki interview with Gorden Wagener was a treat.

You are welcome, Dexter. Agree, that's a good interview. :)

The paint quality on that car is extraordinary it has such a high gloss and deep luster. The shade of red used is really fantastic.

Some info on the Maybach red paint. :)

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Maybach red

In addition to a palette of 14 standard designo Manufaktur exterior paints developed using a special process, the Mercedes-Maybach S600 will feature eight additional exclusive paint colors. These paint finishes are produced as part of a "Manufaktur" process (hand-finishing section) at the plant in Sindelfingen. After the first clear coat is applied, the surface of all vehicles is roughened (intermediate sanding) and then a second and final clear coat is painted on. This adds extra depth to the paint finish. Source: MBUSA

Photos: Nathan Leach-Proffer / Motor1.com
 
Great pic. I go for the Concept One.

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Courtesy of Rimac Automobili

Don't wanna ruin the party, the Maybach Concept looks fantastic. But (and this is a serious question): how could a car that is 5.5m long, 1.33m high, and probably 2m wide not look impressive and imposing? Also, an electric drivetrain in such a huge 2-seater (!!) does not make sense imo.
Hope to not get mauled for that :).
No, you're right. I would also like to be brave enough to say on this forum that despite all the hype, this is not an overly innovative concept .......it's a masterful example of ostentatious yet elegantly artistic styling, rather than rigorous design.

The Mercedes IAA Concept was far more interesting and progressive overall.

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In November 2014, Daimler announced the revival of the Maybach name as a sub-brand of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W222), positioned as an upscale version akin to the more sporty Mercedes-AMG sub-brand.
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