Bartek S.
Aerodynamic Ace
The next M3 is likely to be fitted with a twin-turbocharged six-cylinder engine
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Report: BMW M Division dropping high-rev engines in favor of turbos
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The next M3 is likely to be fitted with a twin-turbocharged six-cylinder engine
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EnI
Piston Pioneer
It has nothing to do with MB ... but the times we live in. Downsized turbocharged engines are more efficient & less polluting than comparable NA (high-rev) big(ger) displacement engines.
And many strict (upcoming) green regulations & rules force carmakers to offer proper solutions. High-rev NA engines that ain't. Such engines will be dead soon.
Everybody will go turbo ... even the smallest engines will be turbocharged (eg. 1L turbo, or even smaller). Not to mention larger ones.
Just like MB, also BMW & Audi (as well as Porsche, VW etc) will only offer turbocharged / supercharged engines in the future.
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I'm amazed how many of you still don't get it ... we don't live in the 90s any more. The era of big NA & high-rev gasoline engines is over.
SCOTT27
Drift Dynamo
I look forward over the next two weeks to explain how M Division will become the absolute pinnacle of the "Efficient Dynamics" Programme.
You will learn why this new direction is indeed going to seperate BMW from the competition - BMW are not intent on prolonging the power war but more the sustainability of these cars for the future.
Then as there will be M drive using updated technology a further edition titled M"e" Drive will showcase very much how these cars will prepare themselves to offset any future emission clauses without losing their connection to BMW's f1 programme. Even with todays car you can alter the settings to unleash all the power , the new M5 will continue this feature but with the ability to close down cylinders that are not required for say driving in a city or town.
Then there is Aluminum-Lithium alloy wheels with option carbon fibre brakes , laminated aluminum carbon fibre body panels and BMW Active Aerodynamics.
M division is reinventing itself for the future , Turbo charging is very much a new era but the results are proving to be astounding.
This whole converstion will be about the six cylinder turbo introduction again , not sure? against the philosophy ?
Wow what an amazing engine!
You will learn why this new direction is indeed going to seperate BMW from the competition - BMW are not intent on prolonging the power war but more the sustainability of these cars for the future.
Then as there will be M drive using updated technology a further edition titled M"e" Drive will showcase very much how these cars will prepare themselves to offset any future emission clauses without losing their connection to BMW's f1 programme. Even with todays car you can alter the settings to unleash all the power , the new M5 will continue this feature but with the ability to close down cylinders that are not required for say driving in a city or town.
Then there is Aluminum-Lithium alloy wheels with option carbon fibre brakes , laminated aluminum carbon fibre body panels and BMW Active Aerodynamics.
M division is reinventing itself for the future , Turbo charging is very much a new era but the results are proving to be astounding.
This whole converstion will be about the six cylinder turbo introduction again , not sure? against the philosophy ?
Wow what an amazing engine!
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
I'm going to miss the wonderful highreeving engines from BMW. It feels more special to reev a engine and the instant gasthrottle is awesome. I'm certain these new Turbo M engines from BMW are going to be great but I will drop a few tears when the highreeving engines completly disappear.
But I still prey/hope the Turbo engines will reev all the way up to 8000 rpm.
But I still prey/hope the Turbo engines will reev all the way up to 8000 rpm.
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
It's not that people does not get it, it's more like people are not happy about it. No more of one of the things that made BMW special compared to the competition.
Oh well, now they just have to get serious about weight reduction. If there is no high revving I6 or V8 in the next BMW M1/2/3/5 then maybe a diet of 2-300 kgs would do the happy-trick for most customers. I know that then I would not mind, as long as you can't tell that is is a turbo...
Oh well, now they just have to get serious about weight reduction. If there is no high revving I6 or V8 in the next BMW M1/2/3/5 then maybe a diet of 2-300 kgs would do the happy-trick for most customers. I know that then I would not mind, as long as you can't tell that is is a turbo...
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
I'm not acting like this is the end of highreeving engines but its the end for BMW (at least for now) and that is a sad.
Giannis
Staff member
As long as they are even better than the 35i engine and fuel efficient as well, then bring on the Turbo engines. Of course i am sad about it, but we can't stop it. It will happen sooner or later, and the better BMW are prepared, the better it is for us, BMW (future) customers and enthusiasts.
BTW, i can see what you mean with the small turbocharged engines. Renault already offers an 1.2l turbo engine, which produces 100hp, with a very low fuel consumption, at least compared with bigger engines!
BTW, i can see what you mean with the small turbocharged engines. Renault already offers an 1.2l turbo engine, which produces 100hp, with a very low fuel consumption, at least compared with bigger engines!
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Well then you and i both agree
I just hate when certain members here..act like if BMW doesent do it..
It can not be done..or no one else will do it..
Pisses me off
PS
The post wasent to you..it was for eni..
I never claimed that you acted like anything..
EnI
Piston Pioneer
In some ultra-expensive exotic low-volume / limited edition sports models (eg. Pagani, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc) ... Not in high- & mid-volume selling models though (Ms included).
scott27, i really look foward to all the information u intend to share with us on this topic. As a bmw fun, I truely Thank u very much for all that u contribute on these forums.
martinbo
Staff member
It's a grave disappointment if true... and all the same a little perplexing.
Those of you who know me around here, will know that I'm a big fan of turbocharging and I've actively extolled the virtues of the principle. But I've never been one to say that turbocharging is the be all and end all to performance engines nor have I said that I cared less for naturally aspirated high-rev engines.
On the contrary, in my opinion the high revving naturally aspirated performance engine is the ultimate expression of motoring nirvana - where turbocharged engines have their place and purpose, there's no denying that the NA engines out of M Division, Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini have often been seen as pinnacle achievements in engine design and output.
It is the NA engine that most closely connects the driver's foot to the engine, that revs most eagerly on rapid heel-n-toe downchanges and sounds by far the best.
Given my over-familiarisation with turbo'd engines it was the raw immediacy of the powerful NA engines that I came into contact with from time to time that defined the purity of the whole experience for me. Whilst the power delivery from a forced induction engine is heavy and muscular, one is always aware of the fact that it's all a little, ahem, forced. A naturally aspirated engine in contrast is zestier and more eager to please and such naturally aspirated engines from BMW were definitive for me because they have a "Joie de vivre" about them.
Sure, turbo'd engines have their place, but so too do the great engines from BMW's M Division. These engines are definitive. They are exciting and thrilling and remarkable for the "feeling of connectedness" that no turbo'd engine could and ever will match.
I feel that such thinking at BMW is a knee-jerk reaction to the over-legislated policies toward fuel economy and emissions controls. Or, is it a convenient excuse to simply let these expensive-to-develop, exquisitely engineered and resource intensive M-developed engines to simply go quietly into the night?
Those of you who know me around here, will know that I'm a big fan of turbocharging and I've actively extolled the virtues of the principle. But I've never been one to say that turbocharging is the be all and end all to performance engines nor have I said that I cared less for naturally aspirated high-rev engines.
On the contrary, in my opinion the high revving naturally aspirated performance engine is the ultimate expression of motoring nirvana - where turbocharged engines have their place and purpose, there's no denying that the NA engines out of M Division, Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini have often been seen as pinnacle achievements in engine design and output.
It is the NA engine that most closely connects the driver's foot to the engine, that revs most eagerly on rapid heel-n-toe downchanges and sounds by far the best.
Given my over-familiarisation with turbo'd engines it was the raw immediacy of the powerful NA engines that I came into contact with from time to time that defined the purity of the whole experience for me. Whilst the power delivery from a forced induction engine is heavy and muscular, one is always aware of the fact that it's all a little, ahem, forced. A naturally aspirated engine in contrast is zestier and more eager to please and such naturally aspirated engines from BMW were definitive for me because they have a "Joie de vivre" about them.
Sure, turbo'd engines have their place, but so too do the great engines from BMW's M Division. These engines are definitive. They are exciting and thrilling and remarkable for the "feeling of connectedness" that no turbo'd engine could and ever will match.
I feel that such thinking at BMW is a knee-jerk reaction to the over-legislated policies toward fuel economy and emissions controls. Or, is it a convenient excuse to simply let these expensive-to-develop, exquisitely engineered and resource intensive M-developed engines to simply go quietly into the night?
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