Report: BMW M Division dropping high-rev engines in favor of turbos

[Heyhuub]

No point really, just some new high revving engines that are just introduced.
And Turbo engines can be made to rev high, there just isn't allot of need to do so.

And i wouldn't say BMW pioneered any high revving engines.
Ferrari yes, along with Abarth, Alfa Romeo and maybe Lamborghini.

 

[Poverty]

No point really, just some new high revving engines that are just introduced.
And Turbo engines can be made to rev high, there just isn't allot of need to do so.

And i wouldn't say BMW pioneered any high revving engines.
Ferrari yes, along with Abarth, Alfa Romeo and maybe Lamborghini.

Dont forget the japanese.

Stupid move by M though.Someone who wants a M car probably doesnt give a rats ass about emissions or slightly increased fuel economy. If i was worried about that I would buy a VW polo bluemotion.

 

[Deleted member 25]

If even Ferrari is switching to turbo, then you can hardly qualify their move by stupid.

 

[ateekt]

This news hurts! Naturally aspirated & high-revving are the 2 most basic factors that makes me love M cars even more!

I hope they keep the high-revving factor in their next M engines! I'll miss the current M5's V10 & M3's V8 real bad!

 

[vedjo01]

^well,you can always get used M3 or M5 in good condition and not much kilometers on its back,don´t you?I find there is a solution for N/A purists who like S54B32 and S65B40 propelled cars more than anything else on four wheels.Well,I´m one of them..damn it.

 

[ateekt]

^well,you can always get used M3 or M5 in good condition and not much kilometers on its back,don´t you?I find there is a solution for N/A purists who like S54B32 and S65B40 propelled cars more than anything else on four wheels.Well,I´m one of them..damn it.

You're right & that is exactly what I'll do! There is no other engine like those phenomenal M power-plants!

As soon as I get some handy bucks, very next day I'll start with a (E-46) M3 & later, I'll be heading to the (E-60) M5!

 

[Poverty]

You're right & that is exactly what I'll do! There is no other engine like those phenomenal M power-plants!

As soon as I get some handy bucks, very next day I'll start with a (E-46) M3 & later, I'll be heading to the (E-60) M5!

E46 M3 is a classic. I need to get a low mileage one!

 

[Merc1]

If even Ferrari is switching to turbo, then you can hardly qualify their move by stupid.

Yeah, but Ferrari has done turbos before and the word "never" wasn't thrown around by Ferrari fanatics like it was with BMW M worshipers. Slowly but surely BMW's vaunted, legendary "M" is becoming just like any other tuning arm. Naturally aspirated: leaving, lightweight: gone, SUVs: present, CSL: nein.

M

 

[Mr Robert]

Yeah, but Ferrari has done turbos before and the word "never" wasn't thrown around by Ferrari fanatics like it was with BMW M worshipers. Slowly but surely BMW's vaunted, legendary "M" is becoming just like any other tuning arm. Naturally aspirated: leaving, lightweight: gone, SUVs: present, CSL: nein.

M

It is a shame isn't it? Some will be very happt that the magic of the M is gone but most motor enthusiasts will miss it.

Oh, well, back in the bad old days when people was saying "never" the turbo technology of the day was the reason for said "never". Imagine a M3 with the engine characteristics of an Audi S2 or OG SAAB 900 Turbo... I have no trouble understanding the "never". The objection was a result of unwillingness towards the rock age turbo technology with all that came with it in form of lag and strange power delivery. Today there are other ways to build a turbo engine and I see less reasons not to use turbos.

 

[LaArtist]

But its true..

Couple of years ago..the bullshit rained on us from BMW fans..
ohh NA.. CSL.. NO M7 cause its to heavy.. uhh uhh.. No SUV´s..

umm what happend?

PS
I still think M division will kick ass in the future aswell..
But lets just keep it calm with the WE WOULD NEVERs

 

[Zafiro]

ohh NA.. CSL.. NO M7 cause its to heavy.. uhh uhh.. No SUV´s..

and I still dont like it........and I like BMW.

PS, Porsche said they would NEVER use diesel engines, now they have it.

 

[Zafiro]

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[Merc1]

Klier,

We have been preached to constantly about how BMW would never build anything that doesn't live up to the M standard. "There will be no M version of the X5, only the X6". Then when I and others said that the X6 was nothing more than an X5 in drag and that it wouldn't make a difference, the issue was swept under the rug. Now we have both an X6 M and an X5 M once again the room has gone quiet about the M philosophy and gone on to cheers about both vehicles. A complete about face.

Mercedes' AMG unit was criticized to death about using forced induction by all the hardcore BMW M folks who constantly said that BMW would "never" used forced induction. Now all of a sudden it the best thing since anti-lock brakes. Another complete about face.

Then there was the weight issue. Oh how AMG cars were overweight pigs, yet BMW M cars get heavier and heavier also. The M6 is no lightweight, and the M3 Convertible (as gorgeous as it is) is positively obese, outweighing a Lexus SC430 convertible. Again, not in keeping with the "M is pure" nonsense having been preached here since 2005.

That is what I'm talking about, these are facts. Did you do all the preaching yourself, of course not. You had big time help from Scott, EnI and others. All of which have so many excuse now that they can't keep track of them.

Then much to the chagrin of M loyalists, BMW decides to cancel all the truly fun M products to concentrate on a pair SUVs. Again where is this purity we've been lead to believe so much in?


M

 

[Merc1]

It is a shame isn't it? Some will be very happt that the magic of the M is gone but most motor enthusiasts will miss it.

Oh, well, back in the bad old days when people was saying "never" the turbo technology of the day was the reason for said "never". Imagine a M3 with the engine characteristics of an Audi S2 or OG SAAB 900 Turbo... I have no trouble understanding the "never". The objection was a result of unwillingness towards the rock age turbo technology with all that came with it in form of lag and strange power delivery. Today there are other ways to build a turbo engine and I see less reasons not to use turbos.

Yep as will anyone that is a fan of what BMW and M has done up to this point. Including 99 percent of the MB fans here, we will all miss it because it provided a unique and totally different alternative to AMG.

That said, the "nevers" were far more recent than anything dealing Saab or an Audi S2. The tech has improved for sure, but the change is still considerable for what M stood for and delivered up to this point. I won't be the same.


M

 

[klier]

Klier,

We have been preached to constantly about how BMW would never build anything that doesn't live up to the M standard. "There will be no M version of the X5, only the X6". Then when I and others said that the X6 was nothing more than an X5 in drag and that it wouldn't make a difference, the issue was swept under the rug. Now we have both an X6 M and an X5 M once again the room has gone quiet about the M philosophy and gone on to cheers about both vehicles. A complete about face.

Mercedes' AMG unit was criticized to death about using forced induction by all the hardcore BMW M folks who constantly said that BMW would "never" used forced induction. Now all of a sudden it the best thing since anti-lock brakes. Another complete about face.

Then there was the weight issue. Oh how AMG cars were overweight pigs, yet BMW M cars get heavier and heavier also. The M6 is no lightweight, and the M3 Convertible (as gorgeous as it is) is positively obese, outweighing a Lexus SC430 convertible. Again, not in keeping with the "M is pure" nonsense having been preached here since 2005.

That is what I'm talking about, these are facts. Did you do all the preaching yourself, of course not. You had big time help from Scott, EnI and others. All of which have so many excuse now that they can't keep track of them.

Then much to the chagrin of M loyalists, BMW decides to cancel all the truly fun M products to concentrate on a pair SUVs. Again where is this purity we've been lead to believe so much in?


M

I see what you mean. My advise would be to listen/read official BMW statements rather than believe BMW fanboy talk and claim things.
Both Scott and Eni are FANBOYS when they talk here on GCF. Fanboys with inside info, but still. What they write here is how they personally see these things, and it has nothing to do with official BMW policy. That's what is causing the confusion perhaps.

Yep as will anyone that is a fan of what BMW and M has done up to this point. Including 99 percent of the MB fans here, we will all miss it because it provided a unique and totally different alternative to AMG.

The experience will remain unique and totally different from the competition. M is not becoming a fusion of Audi and AMG, M will always be unique.

 

[Zafiro]

I'm saying it again, personally I dont need X6 or 7-series being transformed into a M variant. I also prefer M3 Coupé over M3 Convertible. I dont need a PAS either.
I don't support every decision BMW does and yes I'm a person people would call a "BMW loyalist".
So not everyone is supporting BMW decisisons.

 

[LaArtist]

^yep its insane to agree with every move of a certain brand..

Lord knows i dont like every decision made by MB
For example the CLC.. or the dropping of the V12´s ..

 

[Merc1]

I see what you mean. My advise would be to listen/read official BMW statements rather than believe BMW fanboy talk and claim things.

Both Scott and Eni are FANBOYS when they talk here on GCF. Fanboys with inside info, but still. What they write here is how they personally see these things, and it has nothing to do with official BMW policy. That's what is causing the confusion perhaps.

WOW.....a very concise bs-free post on the matter. I'm stunned. I agree and this is what many here have been saying all along. That said there was never any "confusion" because BMW itself has never come out and said all these things. Some of their representatives have said similar things to our resident BMW marketing people, but nothing nearly as serious as what we've been subjected to here from our BMW marketing folks. That is what and who my post was directed to and addressed, not BMW's official policy with M products.

The experience will remain unique and totally different from the competition. M is not becoming a fusion of Audi and AMG, M will always be unique.

Totally different, that is reaching. Unique yes, but worlds different and what not, not really if turbos are going to be the call of the day. A naturally aspirated, high-rev V10 compared to a turbo V8 or a supercharged V8 that is a vast difference, especially when you combine the traditional chassis differences.

Now however others are catching or have caught up (depending on who you ask) in the chassis area and if BMW starts using forced induction along with all the rest who already use forced induction, the 100 percent uniqueness that separated M from AMG, RS, Caddy V, Jaguar R etc. isn't as vivid as it used to be.


M

 

[SCOTT27]

FANBOY ME? I prefer the term true believer...

I believe Chris Bangle was right all along , I believe in Efficient Dynamics , I believe we should not invest in badge baiting vanity projects , I believe the horse power pissing contest should stop , I beleive in the Progressive Activity Sedan , I believe projects should be postponed if the solution or specifcation is unworkable.

 

[ateekt]

E46 M3 is a classic. I need to get a low mileage one!

Same here mate, looking for a good deal at right time! Best of luck with your purchase!