3 Series [Renders] Next generation BMW 3-series.

[Titot]

I don't think the platform is any different than current CLAR. At least I haven't heard otherwise.

I mean the G50 will be a CLAR vehicle that does not require to accommodate the pure electric drivetrain like the G01, G26, G60 and G70 since it is going to be coexisted with the NA0. So, it can still be designed with a traditional three-box sedan proportion.

 

[klier]

@bmwblog is saying in his website that the design of both 3ers won’t be identical.

They can't be as both cars are completely different from each other with vastly different proportions.
I like the idea of an E36 homage for the CLAR version....the straight lines of an E36 revival might compliment the NK design.

 

[dalab]

Now they confused me a little, what I have understood for a while is that the current 3 series will have a second FL to stretch it until 2027 so it will coexist in its current basic form with the i3 NK for two years and after 2027 the most sensible thing is for it to migrate with ICE to the NK design (like the i3) and platform (which they say will also support ICE and hybrid as secondary power trains)

Basically I think that the 3 series from 2027, both ICE and EV, will both be the same car derived from the NK IAA

 

[bmwblog]

I mean the G50 will be a CLAR vehicle that does not require to accommodate the pure electric drivetrain like the G01, G26, G60 and G70 since it is going to be coexisted with the NA0. So, it can still be designed with a traditional three-box sedan proportion.

Yet there will be plenty of BEVs on CLAR still.

 

[bmwblog]

Now they confused me a little, what I have understood for a while is that the current 3 series will have a second FL to stretch it until 2027 so it will coexist in its current basic form with the i3 NK for two years and after 2027 the most sensible thing is for it to migrate with ICE to the NK design (like the i3) and platform (which they say will also support ICE and hybrid as secondary power trains)

Basically I think that the 3 series from 2027, both ICE and EV, will both be the same car derived from the NK IAA

No. 3 SERIES will stay on CLAR for a long time. NK only gets the i3. NK will only be BEV

 

[Gor134]

Yet there will be plenty of BEVs on CLAR still.

He's essentially saying the G50 3-Series does not need to be bloated like the 5er/7er as it won't need to be a "compromise" chassis designed to support BEV and ICE, as it will only be ICE and PHEV like current G20.

 

[Matski]

He's essentially saying the G50 3-Series does not need to be bloated like the 5er/7er as it won't need to be a "compromise" chassis designed to support BEV and ICE, as it will only be ICE and PHEV like current G20.

G20 is available as a BEV.

People really need to keep this platform compromise thing in perspective. The problems with the 5 & 7 are the result of design choices, not the de facto outcome of platform choice.

 

[dalab]

No. 3 SERIES will stay on CLAR for a long time. NK only gets the i3. NK will only be BEV

So there will be a totally new series 3 (ICE) starting in 2027 with a completely different body design than the one announced by NK and will the two coexist? It's not at all what I thought

People really need to keep this platform compromise thing in perspective. The problems with the 5 & 7 are the result of design choices, not the de facto outcome of platform choice.

Exactly and as I have always said, they designed them that way because they wanted to make them that way, and I don't see where the "problem" would be, since until now it has not been seen either in the performance, dynamics or in the public acceptance, (outside of GCF )

 

[dalab]

Possibly they haven't even made the decision at BMW yet....

"It also remains unclear whether the new BMW 3 Series will really be a fundamentally new vehicle or ultimately another facelift. It is clear that BMW developed the current cluster architecture (CLAR WE) for vehicles with combustion engines or electric drives, but it is very likely that this is the last vehicle architecture for models with combustion engines. All “really new” models, however, will use the New Class architecture, which will be gradually rolled out to most of the model range from the end of 2025."

"From a purely visual perspective, there is a lot to suggest that BMW will base the next 3 Series on the look of the New Class:"
"However, we will probably only get final answers to questions like these after 2025, when the market launch of the new class becomes tangible."

BMW 3er G50 / G51: Erste Infos zum G20-Nachfolger ab 2026

Mit der Neuen Klasse startet 2025 eine rein elektrische Alternative im Format der BMW 3er-Reihe, aber auch Kunden auf der Suche nach einer

www.bimmertoday.de

 

[Gor134]

G20 is available as a BEV.

People really need to keep this platform compromise thing in perspective. The problems with the 5 & 7 are the result of design choices, not the de facto outcome of platform choice.

The i3L is quite literally taller than the regular 3er, so the compromise platform thing still applies here.

 

[bmwblog]

He's essentially saying the G50 3-Series does not need to be bloated like the 5er/7er as it won't need to be a "compromise" chassis designed to support BEV and ICE, as it will only be ICE and PHEV like current G20.

I understand what he's saying, but the platform is still the same.

 

[bmwblog]

Possibly they haven't even made the decision at BMW yet....

"It also remains unclear whether the new BMW 3 Series will really be a fundamentally new vehicle or ultimately another facelift. It is clear that BMW developed the current cluster architecture (CLAR WE) for vehicles with combustion engines or electric drives, but it is very likely that this is the last vehicle architecture for models with combustion engines. All “really new” models, however, will use the New Class architecture, which will be gradually rolled out to most of the model range from the end of 2025."

"From a purely visual perspective, there is a lot to suggest that BMW will base the next 3 Series on the look of the New Class:"
"However, we will probably only get final answers to questions like these after 2025, when the market launch of the new class becomes tangible."

BMW 3er G50 / G51: Erste Infos zum G20-Nachfolger ab 2026

Mit der Neuen Klasse startet 2025 eine rein elektrische Alternative im Format der BMW 3er-Reihe, aber auch Kunden auf der Suche nach einer

www.bimmertoday.de

Decisions were made. Design has not been frozen yet. Look at the X3 and new iX3. That will give you an idea what to expect

 

[bmwblog]

So there will be a totally new series 3 (ICE) starting in 2027 with a completely different body design than the one announced by NK and will the two coexist? It's not at all what I thought

Exactly and as I have always said, they designed them that way because they wanted to make them that way, and I don't see where the "problem" would be, since until now it has not been seen either in the performance, dynamics or in the public acceptance, (outside of GCF )

There will be two 3 Series: CLAR-based G50 and NK i3. It's nearly impossible, from my point of view, to have a 1:1 design due to their platform. So there might be some similarities, but I do not expect an identical exterior and interior. I personally think that the i3 NA0 will be positioned as the more futuristic model, while the G50 will appeal to more traditional people.

 

[Matski]

The i3L is quite literally taller than the regular 3er, so the compromise platform thing still applies here.

Out of interest I'd be curious to see your official source for the height difference... but that aside, you're missing the point. The G20 and G28 are both based around a platform that is used for an EV. If you can accept the G20 looks okay despite this commonality for the 3-er, what are the technical reasons you don't accept that the same could have been true of the 5-er and 7er?

 

[Gor134]

Out of interest I'd be curious to see your official source for the height difference... but that aside, you're missing the point. The G20 and G28 are both based around a platform that is used for an EV.

Source: https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/04/18/...It stretches 4872 mm (191.8,mm (58.3 in) tall.

It stretches 4872 mm (191.8 in) long, 1846 mm (72.6 in) wide, and 1481 mm (58.3 in) tall. The added length is found in the wheelbase, measuring a stately 2966 mm (116.7 in). It’s the first 3er ever to be offered with air suspension, albeit it’s only for the rear axle. The electric sports sedan rides 44 millimeters (1.73 inches) closer to the road than its ICE equivalent.

For reference, the G20's height is 56.8" (source: BMWusa.com)

So, not only is the G28 2 inches taller, but it it 1.7 inches lower in ride clearance. Meaning the body has a visual height that is 3.7 inches taller than the ICE G20.

Platform being the same doesn't mean the chassis is the same, it was still redesigned for the i3 since the G20 wasn't designed for that compromise from the get-go.

If you can accept the G20 looks okay despite this commonality for the 3-er, what are the technical reasons you don't accept that the same could have been true of the 5-er and 7er?

Because the 5er and 7er share the same body shell as the electric variants as far as I'm concerned, so the ICE are just as tall as the EV.

For reference the 5er and 7er ICE and BEV models have the same height (source: BMWusa.com) , since their chassis was designed what we refer to as a "compromise platform" to support both versions.

 

[dalab]

Platform being the same doesn't mean the chassis is the same, it was still redesigned for the i3 since the G20 wasn't designed for that compromise from the get-go.

The Chinese i3 is LWB, it rolls on the longer i4 platform, I don't know if this has anything to do with it, in any case the i3 is not perceived higher IMO, precisely because it is the LWB, but rather more stylized and ready

 

[Gor134]

The Chinese i3 is LWB, it rolls on the longer i4 platform, I don't know if this has anything to do with it, in any case the i3 is not perceived higher IMO, precisely because it is the LWB, but rather more stylized and ready

Yes the extra length definitely helps hide some of the height and is more successful than the 5er, but it stands to be said that the G20 does look more normal proportioned especially height wise.

 

[Matski]

Well, I guess the net vehicle height kills it.. no way this platform could produce a car as good looking as the G20 with all those batteries underneath <shrug>... smash that like button if you think the i3L needs its length to accommodate its extra height.

 

[Gor134]

Okay? Why so salty and sarcastic?

You asked for numbers for proof of it being taller, I told you the numbers and told you it's taller, and now you act all salty and sarcastic.. very mature.

I never even said the G28 is a bad looking car, just saying it clearly to me looks different in height from the G20, and it's evident that the G20 looks a lot slimmer than the "compromise" build 5er/7er, whereas the G28 is more similar to those in overall visual height.

 

[Matski]

You asked for numbers for proof of it being taller, I told you the numbers and told you it's taller, and now you act all salty and sarcastic.. very mature.

Actually I asked for official dimensions (which you didn't provide), and I also asked for a technical explanation, which you also didn't provide*.... but despite your assertations, I'm not 'salty' about it.

*Unless your suggesting the ONLY problem with the 5 & 7 is the net vehicle height.

Looks alright to me, or does the L look like it needs the extra the length to disguise its height?