5 Series (G60) [Renders] BMW 5 Series G60 2023

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E34 wagon had no kink!

Thats right and it looked terrible. The e28 touring had it and the e39 also and all other beemers (sure, not the cabriolets and 2 seaters - which is logical) then.
The Hoffmeister Knick is the 2th most typical “design merkmal” (as the Germans says) after the kidneys, i saw a poll once at the german BMW forum. The 3th was the driver oriented middle console.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Thats right and it looked terrible. The e28 touring had it and the e39 also and all other beemers (sure, not the cabriolets and 2 seaters - which is logical) then.
The Hoffmeister Knick is the 2th most typical “design merkmal” (as the Germans says) after the kidneys, i saw a poll once at the german BMW forum. The 3th was the driver oriented middle console.

E28 Touring? I think you should wake up.

 

[Matski]

No kidneys, no kink.

Pretty much the best selling BMW ever by the time it ceased production, and saved the company.

 

[Special]

E28 Touring? I think you should wake up.

Good morning

 

[klier]

Good morning

Go somewhere else with your fake stuff

i saw a poll once at the german BMW forum.

I saw a troll once on a German forum.

 

[Matski]

Good morning

E28 touring conversions generally had the Hoffmeister kink because they reused the C-pillar from the Saloon. Judging manufacturer design language and styling by aftermarket conversions is stupid, but just in case anyone wants to jump off that pier...

"GuESs NOW wE know WHy tHE S cLasS aLwAyS LOokS SO BADlY pRoPoTiONEd"

 

[Special]

Go somewhere else with your fake stuff



I saw a troll once on a German forum.

If you dont know that s car existed, doesnt mean its fake. I see you still have a lot to learn.

 

[Special]

E28 touring conversions generally had the Hoffmeister kink because they reused the C-pillar from the Saloon. Judging manufacturer design language and styling by aftermarket conversions is stupid, but just in case anyone wants to jump off that pier...

The C pillar was not from the limousine, it was wider and upper.
But what i was trying to say, is that even a tuner like Schulz knew what Heritage mean, so they incorporated this famous bimmer detail also in their car.

 

[Matski]

But what i was trying to say, is that even a tuner like Schulz knew what Heritage mean, so they incorporated this famous bimmer detail also in their car.

Which is a weak way to criticise current design trends. Everything is new at some point, and things have to evolve - if they didn't we'd never have had kidneys, quad headlamps, Hoff kinks, quad exhausts, 'L' shaped tail-lights, how many roundels are on the back, and where they're put (and all the other stuff people like to waffle on about to try and validate a negative opinion, when actually just having the negative opinion is fine), in the first place.

If you don't like the current C-pillar treatment, that's fine, but it's just silly to say it looks bad because it's not traditional. Cars like the 700, the Z3 Coupe and E34 Touring are good looking cars and likely wouldn't visually have been any better for including the kink, IMHO, but there are examples where they've changed things for the worse and examples where they've changed things for the better.

Tradition and heritage do not alone create good (or bad) design.

 

[Special]

Which is a weak way to criticise current design trends. Everything is new at some point, and things have to evolve - if they didn't we'd never have had kidneys, quad headlamps, Hoff kinks, quad exhausts, 'L' shaped tail-lights, how many roundels are on the back, and where they're put (and all the other stuff people like to waffle on about to try and validate a negative opinion, when actually just having the negative opinion is fine), in the first place.

If you don't like the current C-pillar treatment, that's fine, but it's just silly to say it looks bad because it's not traditional. Cars like the 700, the Z3 Coupe and E34 Touring are good looking cars and likely wouldn't visually have been any better for including the kink, IMHO, but there are examples where they've changed things for the worse and examples where they've changed things for the better.

Tradition and heritage do not alone create good (or bad) design.

I dont agree.
You can still be progresive with your products, you can still renew your typical design details, but leting them out is not a good option, specially the most typical ones.
Its the whole design story for which you buy a product. Mercedes and BMW customers are customers who come back 80 % at Daimler and 60 % at Bimmer. For them heritage means something and you can belive me, i was salesman at Mercedes and sales director at Bmw, i know what i’m talking about.

If you are making a whole new portfolio (for example Mercedes with his EQ models), then you can afford to make the grill looking more different in the EQS - in an S-Class you just cant. And its the same with the HoffmeisterKnick at limos,tourings and coupes.
You just dont do this.

Or you do it nevertheless and yes the customers will still buy it, but their will be this feeling of bitter aftertaste. The feeling that the cars slowly loosing their souls. If all cars will be more and more the same, if manufacturers will take away their typical details, then the car enthusiasm will be dead.

 

[dalab]

Good morning

 

[J.E]

Good morning

It's the grandpa of the 6-Series Gran Coupé.

 

[dalab]

It's the grandpa of the 6-Series Gran Coupé.

Totally, and from what I see it would have been much better than the coupe from which it derives, which is not the prettiest thing around.

 

[empower77]

Good morning

You should know better! Porn is banned on this forum

 

[EnI]

Good morning

I can see quite a lot of this in G70 7er.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Good morning

Wow, a very good looking blue W180 220 in the background. An early S …

 

[dalab]

Wow, a very good looking blue W180 220 in the background. An early S …

Having been born in the era where the E-Class and the "modern" S-Class (by size) of course had been around for a long time, these W180 and its immediate predecessor always seemed to me to be the "E-Classes" of their time. , there were many in my country, but I never perceived it as a predecessor to the "S", I thought that their contemporary "S" simply had not reached my country

The appreciation that the new generations have or will have about things and their environment cannot be underestimated, worst with the potentially proud proliferation of today's hopelessly widespread ignorance, ......I already went to the plan philosopher

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Having been born in the era where the E-Class and the "modern" S-Class (by size) of course had been around for a long time, these W180 and its immediate predecessor always seemed to me to be the "E-Classes" of their time. , there were many in my country, but I never perceived it as a predecessor to the "S", I thought that their contemporary "S" simply had not reached my country

The appreciation that the new generations have or will have about things and their environment cannot be underestimated, worst with the potentially proud proliferation of today's hopelessly widespread ignorance, ......I already went to the plan philosopher

They looked very much like their smaller 4 cylinder brethren indeed. The 220S did have a 6 cylinder engine, was longer, had more chrome on the exterior and was much more luxurious in it’s interior.
Well @dalab, we see that even then, in the good old time, Mercedes cars that fell in the category E and S looked very much alike.

 

[dalab]

Well @dalab, we see that even then, in the good old time, Mercedes cars that fell in the category E and S looked very much alike.

 

[duesy]

Good morning

In ancient times, a neighbour had one of these. They don't design them like this gorgeous thing anymore.