Range Rover Range Rover (L405)

[JLBM]

^ good night x

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Kilcrohane.

I suggest you calm down before you have a heart attack.

 

[Human]

2013 Range Rover priced at 71,295 pounds [videos]

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The much anticipated and awaited fourth generation of the Range Rover has received its public debut in an event organized at The Royal Ballet School in Richmond, London. The order books for the British SUV are now open and it will be available in 170 markets from all over the world, with sales scheduled to commence at the end of the year.
Customers have the possibility of ordering the new Range Rover with a gasoline 510 HP (375 kW) LR-V8 Supercharged engine or one of the two diesels available, a 3.0-liter TDV6 with 258 HP (189 kW) and a larger SDV8 with 339 HP (249 kW). All three engines are linked to an 8-speed automatic transmission.
The LR-V8 Supercharged allows the 2013 Range Rover to perform the 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) sprint in 5.1 seconds (0.8 seconds quicker than previous model) and reduces fuel consumption by 9 percent. The TDV6 manages to be 22 percent more economical, returning 37.7 mpg UK (7.5 liters / 100 km) and has CO2 emissions of 196 g/km.
The starting price of the 2013 Range Rover is 71,295 pounds for the Vogue 3.0L TDV6 and it goes all the way up to 98,395 pounds for the fully-loaded Autobiography 5.0L Supercharged.

In-depth details can be found in the related link and press release below.
Source: Land Rover

Perceived and tactile quality looks, top notch! Beautiful cabin indeed











Not that I will do that ^ with this expensive machine, myself though

 

[Human]

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Chassis looks well sorted above Edit: The above ^ photo's cutesy of

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk

And from Auto Express -

Our exclusive first ride experience from the passenger seat of the new Range Rover

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Verdict 5 STAR​

So initial impressions are extremely positive, albeit with the caveat that we were relegated to the passenger seat to observe the way the Range Rover handled rural Welsh roads, rather than sampling them first hand. It’s certainly posh enough, but we’ll have to wait until we get behind the wheel to find out whether the new range Rover is the best ever.​

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We’ve seen the pictures and pored over the details, but what’s the new Range Rover like on the road?​

To find out, Auto Express road test editor James Disdale hitched a ride in one of the pre-production prototypes with Jaguar Land Rover’s chief engineer, Mike Cross.​

The first thing you notice is how spacious the car is, particularly for passengers sitting in the back.​

"Our research highlighted that a lot of Range Rover owners like to be chauffeured in their cars," said Cross. "So we've increased legroom by 120mm and there are also sliding and reclining rear seats."​

The Range Rover continues to do a fine impression of a limousine on the move.​

Despite being fitted with huge 22-inch alloy wheels, our heavily disguised car effortlessly ironed out the worst bumps on our challenging Welsh test route. Yet there’s more to the car than luxury and refinement.​

Cross’s team have overhauled the air-suspension and added a development of the anti-roll system first seen on the Range Rover Sport.​

As a result, the big 4x4 feels composed and agile on the move. There appears to be plenty of grip, while the permanent four-wheel drive system delivers almost unbreakable traction.​

“We wanted the car to breathe with the road and handle like a saloon,” explained Cross. “The steering is similar in concept to theEvoque and makes the car feel calm 
but connected.”​

The Range Rover’s handling needs to be good, because our supercharged 5.0-litre V8 example felt sportscar quick.​

The combination of a lighter aluminium structure and new eight-speed auto means the Range Rover sprints from 0-62mph takes just 5.1 seconds.​

And as you’d expect, the Range Rover should be a peerless off-road performer. The latest generation Terrain Response system can now second-guess the terrain, meaning you no longer have to manually select any of the different driving modes.​

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Key specs​

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• Price: £98,385
• Engine: 5.0-litre supercharged V8 petrol
• Power: 503bhp
• Transmission: Eight-speed auto, four-wheel drive
• 0-62mph: 5.1 seconds

• Top speed: 140mph
• Economy: 20.5mpg
• CO2: 322g/km
• Equipment: Keyless entry, Meridian stereo, 8-inch touchscreen, voice control, surround camera system
• On sale: Now

For an alternative review of the latest Land Rover Range Rover 4x4 visit our sister site carbuyer.co.uk​

 

[Tumbo]

0-100 in 5.1 seconds? Impressive.
What is the total weight of this car? In kg's that is.

 

[Kilcrohane]

Dear, oh dear, oh dear! Now we know why Land Rover launched this monstrosity in the dark, in front of such luminaries as Jimmy tax-dodger Carr. Carr would make an excellent Range Rover brand ambassador, being how both are fake.

Now that we can see this jalopy in the daylight, picture one above confirms it looks, literally in this instance, like a beached hippopotamus. Picture two confirms that Monster's 'very very impressive engineers at JLR' have designed a tailgate where anyone over 6' will knock themselves out, on the crazily protruding corners. The third picture, of this bloater descending, shows fully its ungainly, slab-sided length, and confirms it looks undeniably like a Ford Explorer - at around three times the price. Wait until they bring out the extended wheelbase version next year, with an extra 4" in the rear door. That thing will look uncannily like and have all the grace of a beluga whale.

 

[Kilcrohane]

Our exclusive first ride experience from the passenger seat of the new Range Rover

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Verdict 5 STAR​

- gee, there's a shock, Brit auto rag gives JLR product a 5* rating!​

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Key specs​

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• Price: £98,385
• Engine: 5.0-litre supercharged V8 petrol
• Power: 503bhp
• Transmission: Eight-speed auto, four-wheel drive
• 0-62mph: 5.1 seconds

• Top speed: 140mph
• Economy: 20.5mpg
• CO2: 322g/km

Gee, there's a shock, Brit auto rag tells lie, to flatter JLR product, to mug punters! "0-62 mph: 5.1 seconds".

- even the maker of this heap doesn't claim that acceleration figure. And I though R/Rover lovers couldn't give at tinker's cuss about esoteric acceleration data anyway, only to be 'ensconsced blah blah blah ', or is that just 'JLBM'?

L/Rover, see here: http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/lr/all-new-range-rover/explore/autobiography/ , claim 5.4 seconds for 0-62 mph(0-100 km/h), and 5.1 seconds for 0-60 mph.

Once again, a Brit auto rag has been caught out either being sh!t at cutting and pasting data from press releases or, much more likely, has deliberately misled punters by frigging the figures, in an effort to make the 'home' product look better.

 

[Kilcrohane]

0-100 in 5.1 seconds? Impressive.
What is the total weight of this car? In kg's that is.

- Tumbo, see answer above to 'Human', re. 'impressive' acceleration.

Weight? Let's just say it's got its own gravitational field. Kerbweight(according to L/Rover) 2,405 kg, before options, which helps to explain why its 500+ horsepower can't make it compete with the Merc GL63 AMG, and barely with the 430 hp GL500(/550).

Question: it was mooted in Brit auto rags before launch that the new R/Rover would get an uplift in power, with the XKR-S's circa 550 horses being read across to the R/Rover's 5-litre V8 S/C - same base engine. Why didn't that happen? It would have needed at least 550 PS to get under 5 secs, 0-100 km/h, and begin to compete with the GL63. Is the reason it didn't happen because JLR's engineers couldn't make the cooling work? I suspect so. To get that amount of power requires serious cooling and air flow through the engine bay, and would have required gaping mauls like on AMG/M/Quattro products. and of course lots and lots of hard engineering work and development hours, which JLR ain't got and can't/won't afford. Anyone from Gaydon lurking here wish to comment? Why no obvious upgrade of the 5-litre V8 S/C in the new R/Rover, with the 550 PS version from the XKR-S available?

 

[Giannis]

Dear, oh dear, oh dear! Now we know why Land Rover launched this monstrosity in the dark, in front of such luminaries as Jimmy tax-dodger Carr. Carr would make an excellent Range Rover brand ambassador, being how both are fake.

Now that we can see this jalopy in the daylight, picture one above confirms it looks, literally in this instance, like a beached hippopotamus. Picture two confirms that Monster's 'very very impressive engineers at JLR' have designed a tailgate where anyone over 6' will knock themselves out, on the crazily protruding corners. The third picture, of this bloater descending, shows fully its ungainly, slab-sided length, and confirms it looks undeniably like a Ford Explorer - at around three times the price. Wait until they bring out the extended wheelbase version next year, with an extra 4" in the rear door. That thing will look uncannily like and have all the grace of a beluga whale.

Sadly, I don't know who/what Jimmy Carr is or represents. But anwer me this one: Isn't design subjective? What you see as a monstrosity, could be taken as nice or elegant by someone else. Do you remember the first designs of what was called as "BMW's Bangle 1.0 cars/era"? Cars like the E60 5er which was a love or hate design for most people. And still is!

As far as picture two is concerned, I'd say that it's pretty impressive. Standing there with two diametric wheels on the air, means that some how it did get there and it's supposed to get out of there. That, in turn, means that even with one wheel per axle without any resistance, the Range is still able to move. Now, try that with an Audi Quattro

 

[Levi68]

I have no interest following this battle between Kilcrohane vs. JLR. Not that I don't agree with you, Kilcrohane, but why do you so much bash the new RR? You may be right on some/all points, but this is not only the case of JLR, but then of probably the entire car industry.

 

[Kilcrohane]

Sadly, I don't know who/what Jimmy Carr is or represents. But anwer me this one: Isn't design subjective? What you see as a monstrosity, could be taken as nice or elegant by someone else. Do you remember the first designs of what was called as "BMW's Bangle 1.0 cars/era"? Cars like the E60 5er which was a love or hate design for most people. And still is!

As far as picture two is concerned, I'd say that it's pretty impressive. Standing there with two diametric wheels on the air, means that some how it did get there and it's supposed to get out of there. That, in turn, means that even with one wheel per axle without any resistance, the Range is still able to move. Now, try that with an Audi Quattro

- Jimmy Carr, allegedly a UK "comedian" and tax avoider. Made a career sticking it to 'the man', as you Americans say, being a champion of the downtrodden, little guy, er, except our Jimmy was squirreling away his millions in tax havens, paying next to zip to the British taxman. Gullible 20s/30s year olds in UK thought Jimmy was uber 'cool', with his constant bashing of the bonused-up City banksters, since the crash, and whilst relieving gullible punters of fifty, sixty, hundred quid for a couple of hours of stand-up, would hypocritically, cynically, and borderline legally, march off with the loot to the Channel Islands - a tax haven off the French coast. A complete w*nker, in other words. Why L/Rover saw fit to invite this tosser as a VIP to their launch can only say something about Ralf Speth, Gerry McGovern and co. at JLR. see the details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carr#2012_tax_avoidance_controversy

Re. picture 2, 'balancing'. Are you serious, Giannis? Doesn't every 4-wheeled vehicle have a balance point? What's so special about traversing a ridge at non-perpendicular angle? I think the point of the picture, that Land Rover is trying to convey, is to show off the axle articulation, i.e., amount of vertical wheel travel, as a feature. As for only two wheels driving don't most modern SUVs have electronics to simulate across-axle limited slip? The original R/Rover only had a locking centre diff., and so would have been stuck in this position, whereas the original 1979 G-Wagen always had front and rear across-axle locking diffs, as well as a locking centre diff. ABS sensors on each wheel make it easier now for modern 4WD vehicles to simulate locking axle diffs, and obviously impress easily-impressionable punters.

 

[Kilcrohane]

why do you so much bash the new RR? ... is not only the case of JLR, but then of probably the entire car industry.

- can't stand all the hype, BS and lies, that as sure as night follows day, now accompanies any JLR announcement. Just sticks in the craw to see f*ckers getting away with deceiving people, and I maintain JLR and its acolytes in the media, are by far the worst at this PR/propaganda thing within the industry.

 

[Giannis]

...as you Americans say...

Last time I checked, I was Greek. Which, I hope, won't lead to a series of jokes about our financial situation.

Re. picture 2, 'balancing'. Are you serious, Giannis?

Actually, I am. Even though, sometimes, I need to wear a suit and a tie to back up my seriousness, I am serious when I talk about cars. Of course, there is a lighter side of me, which can be found in the off-topic section, joking about the hot topics over a glass of Tanquerray with lemon juice.

What's so special about traversing a ridge at non-perpendicular angle? I think the point of the picture, that Land Rover is trying to convey, is to show off the axle articulation, i.e., amount of vertical wheel travel, as a feature. As for only two wheels driving don't most modern SUVs have electronics to simulate across-axle limited slip? The original R/Rover only had a locking centre diff., and so would have been stuck in this position, whereas the original 1979 G-Wagen always had front and rear across-axle locking diffs, as well as a locking centre diff. ABS sensors on each wheel make it easier now for modern 4WD vehicles to simulate locking axle diffs, and obviously impress easily-impressionable punters.

First of all, I was not talking about balance. All I wanted to say, was the fact that somehow, (be it via mechanical limited slip or locking differentials on the front and rear axle, or by good, old fanshioned electronic controlled ones) the Range can transfer power to a wheel, even when the other wheel of that axle has absolutely no resistance. Just like in that picture.

As far as the systems that are based on the ABS sensors, they do cost less, but are also less efficient. They transfer the power to the wheel with actuall resistance, by individually braking the one that doesn't have. What these systems do is create resistance, by using the brakes. It's like the old days when we used the handbrake to help us start an old RWD car on snow, when we didn't have to rely on ESP.

Now about the suspension travel, that's something that didn't cross my mind at that time.

And finally, as far as the first generation Range vs G-Class: I though we were talking about the latest generation Range here. Which is clearly a totally differently orientated car than it's great grand father. Same goes for the G. The first gen G-Class is strongly connected with what most european armies use, not what you will most certainly find outside Manhattan's most exclusive clubs.

 

[Kilcrohane]

The first gen G-Class is strongly connected with what most european armies use, not what you will most certainly find outside Manhattan's most exclusive clubs.

- au contraire, the latest, just-facelifted G-wagen, is still pretty much the 1979 army-spec original, with its three locking mechanical diffs. Obviously Mercedes-Benz have gone to town on the electrics, instrument panel and so on but the reason they can charge $150k and $300k for the new G63 and G65 is exactly because it still has that tough-as-boots, 'weapons-grade', military, handbuilt-by-Germanic-types cachet, combined with the latest, 21st-century electronic amenities, and 500/600+ hp. A new G63/G65 would almost certainly be seen in Manhattan/Rodeo Drive/Dubai and so on. Who the hell else could afford them? You should see Arnold Schwarzenegger's new ride, to see how this uber-utlity, come plaything of the rich, is being taken to extremes, with his new 'runabout' for LA, a $250k Unimog.

 

[Giannis]

Still, my point was about the Range's differentials, not about the G.

 

[Wunderkind]

I would love to see the new Range Rover and the Mercedes G-Wagen to perform a car version of the Cirque du Soleil.

 

[klier]

The capabilities look remarkable in that last batch of shots.....but boy is it ugly....
This is what I have to look at the next 10 years and it does NOT make me happy.

 

[Levi68]

The capabilities look remarkable in that last batch of shots.....but boy is it ugly....
This is what I have to look at the next 10 years and it does NOT make me happy.

RR Sport will maybe look better.

 

[Monster]

Picture two confirms that Monster's 'very very impressive engineers at JLR' have designed a tailgate where anyone over 6' will knock themselves out, on the crazily protruding corners. The third picture, of this bloater descending, shows fully its ungainly, slab-sided length, and confirms it looks undeniably like a Ford Explorer - at around three times the price. Wait until they bring out the extended wheelbase version next year, with an extra 4" in the rear door. That thing will look uncannily like and have all the grace of a beluga whale.

If you are going to quote me then at least do it right. As for the tailgate design, I am sure tall adults have learnt to look after themselves, if not then that is their problem. Design is subjective so I will leave it at that.

 

[Human]

If you are going to quote me then at least do it right. As for the tailgate design, I am sure tall adults have learnt to look after themselves, if not then that is their problem. Design is subjective so I will leave it at that.