Range Rover Range Rover (L405)
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The Land Rover Range Rover, generally shortened to Range Rover, is a 4x4 luxury SUV produced by Land Rover. The Range Rover line has been in production since it was launched in 1970 by British Leyland.
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Hmm, interesting. I checked the local second hand market for Land Rover models and it seems that you can get a descent equipped Range for the price of a new Astra. But isn't that the case with most premium SUV?
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What's the problem, Merc1? Too many pesky facts conflicting with yours and sako97's Orwellian-like pro-LR BS?
Once again, it's not about 'hatred', it's about a shyster outfit that's been caught lying, deceiving and cheating, time after time, and now it's about borderline shills putting up statements like 'they're all at it', to cover for them, and them expecting every dolt to swallow it. Won't wash.
Clicked on your link, I lost way more than that with my M3 after 11 months so what's your problem, a car no matter the type they all lose money and the greatest percentage in the first year.
If you can't afford the pain then buy secondhand.
Someone needs to waken up and smell the coffee.....we're in a recession.
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No, for Evoque it is true. People in my country are dumping several months old Evoques, disappointed. Used prices are worse than the bigger Range Rovers, in terms of percentage. But I LOVE the 3 door Evoque. Buying used at a bargain ? But, they were sold for high maintenance issue in the first place. Hence the DILLEMA.
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Nah was just curious why someone would waste so much time hating on car brand. I don't work for them so calm down, haven't given any speeches in their favor either, I just like their products which is my perogative.
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It is an undeniable reality that there are only so many adjectives to choose from when describing a given vehicle. Here are two that tend to be both overused and misused perhaps more than any other: legendary and iconic.
Forgive us for regaling you with these descriptors yet again, but when it comes to the 2013 Land Rover Range Rover, there simply aren't any words in the English language that can be applied to this sport utility vehicle that are as accurate and forceful as legendary and iconic. And what's especially impressive about our use of these adjectives is that they apply equally well when discussing the Range Rover's off-road capabilities as they do its position as a status symbol.
This marketplace position, however laudable and desirable it may be, presents a unique problem: How do you redesign a legendary SUV to be better, faster and stronger while maintaining its posh image? The boffins at Land Rover think they've nailed the art of the redesign, and we spent a week with the 2013 Range Rover to find out for ourselves if you really can mess with success and come out the victor.
The new 2013 model is more of the same, for the most part.
"Don't change it, just make it better." Those were the words of Andrew Polsinelli, Land Rover North America's head of product planning, to our own Jonathon Ramsey when describing how current Range Rover owners drove the product development team at the Indian-owned-yet-still-very-British-feeling automaker for 2013. The only problem with that directive is that "better" can mean different things to different people – do you want the Range Rover to drive better on the road, or do you want it to enhance its legendary off-roading capabilities? As it turns out, the answer to that question was simple: Owners wanted both.
One area where making it better caused a recognizable change or two to the latest Range Rover is its external appearance. The previous generation of Land Rover's SUV gave off an unmistakable vibe that ingrained into the onlooker that it was just as happy crossing a random stream in Africa as it was parallel parking in front of the local Starbucks. The new 2013 model is more of the same, for the most part.
It's an attractive SUV that will never be mistaken for anything else.
Signature elements like the clamshell hood, broad roof held up by thin pillars (well, they at least look thin, since they are blacked out to hide them from view) and fastback rear glass join with the more-recent vertical vents behind the front wheels and intricately detailed grille insert to make this latest Rover immediately recognizable. At the same time, changes to the recipe like a much more steeply raked windshield and jewel-like head- and taillamp clusters bring the 'ute kicking and screaming into modern times.
When push comes to shove, we prefer the less ornamental and more purposeful look of the last-generation Range Rover to the more streamlined appearance of the 2013 model, but we're probably being picky. The 2013 Land Rover Range Rover is an attractive SUV that will never be mistaken for anything else – it just doesn't bludgeon its 'I'm better than you' ethos into our retinas quite like the last Range Rover did.
It's a similar story inside. It's incredible how many buttons, dials and switches Land Rover was able to delete in this latest Range Rover remake. The spec sheet says interior clutter has been reduced by 50 percent, but it feels like way more than that when sitting behind the wheel. Ergonomically, the new Range Rover is much easier to use than the last one, with a large eight-inch touchscreen interface dominating the center of the dash that controls such items as the audio and navigation systems, which includes settings for on-road and off-road driving.
It's incredible how many buttons, dials and switches Land Rover was able to delete.
Directly behind the steering wheel is another screen measuring a full 12.3 inches and housing the twin digital gauges along with trip information and cool bits of data reminding you how you've configured the numerous drivetrain functions. The climate control switchgear is kept separate in a bundle tidily located between the two front occupants, and we appreciate how easy it is to make quick adjustments without resorting to the touchscreen interface above.
The interior is much less imposing for 2013 compared to the button-heavy 2012 model, but again, part of the Range Rover's charm may have been lost in the process of modernization. There still isn't a more luxurious place in the world to experience all that the beaten path hides from plain sight, but the more industrial look of the last-gen Range Rover somehow appeals to our inner senses and insensibilities.
Much of the Range Rover's legendary status comes from that fact that it has proven time and time again to be the most extraordinarily capable production SUV in the world, and for 2013, it's more functional than ever before. As in past years, there's a dial in the center of the console with settings for the kind of use the vehicle is required to get you through – General, Grass/Gravel/Snow, Mud/Ruts, Sand and Rock Crawl. For 2013, though, the system is called Terrain Response System 2 and it comes with an Auto setting. Land Rover has made the system smarter and quicker, reading the wheels and body motions with sensors aplenty and processing all that data into the proper amounts of wheel articulation while sending torque to the wheel with the most available traction.
The air suspension can raise the Range Rover 11.9 inches off the ground.
It's all very high-tech, but just as importantly, this Land Rover is capable of shielding the driver behind laminated panes of glass so he can go about pounding the terrain into submission without actually breaking a sweat or spilling his drink. Which would be hot Earl Gray tea, naturally, and please hold the lemon.
Underneath the snazzy bodywork is an air suspension system that can raise and lower the car using a switch in the cabin. Not only is it a fun party trick when the car is full of passengers, it's also able to raise the Range Rover 11.9 inches off the ground. Combined with 10.2 inches of suspension travel up front and 12.2 inches out back, the 2013 Range Rover can scurry up and over just about any obstacle in its way. We recorded a quick demonstration of this system at work that you can check out below.
There's a shocking 700-pound reduction from the last model's weight.
On-road handling is exemplary as well. We're not sure how Land Rover has managed to make a vehicle that feels like it rides on its own bespoke set of billowing clouds on tarmac while simultaneously managing to crawl over jagged rocks and washboard surfaces with aplomb, but they did it. Stopping performance, headlined by the six-piston Brembo calipers up front, is also good, helped in no small part by the dramatic reduction in weight. Land Rover says its 2013 Range Rover weighs in at 4,850 pounds. It's no lightweight, but that figure represents a shocking 700-pound reduction from the last model, thanks largely to a massive increase in the use of aluminum in place of steel.
Driving the 2013 Range Rover is a pleasure, as it is quiet, smooth and comfortable. Handling is aided by a new system called Dynamic Lean Response, which electronically controls the sway bars to keep the car flat through corners. You can't actually feel it working, but we suppose that's probably a good thing.
Our lead feet led to a week-long tally of just 13.9 mpg.
For 2014 (that's next model year – our test car was a '13), power for a base model comes from a newly launched supercharged 3.0-liter V6 that sends 340 horsepower and 332 pound-feet of torque to all four wheels through an eight-speed automatic transmission. We haven't sampled this supercharged V6 in the Range Rover, but the company promises better performance than the previously standard 5.0-liter V8, along with improved fuel efficiency estimated at 16 miles per gallon in the city, 22 on the highway and 18 mpg combined.
Currently, though, shoppers have the choice of two V8 engines, the aforementioned base V8 and what our test vehicle was equipped with, a supercharged version with 510 horsepower and 461 lb-ft of torque. That's plenty of power, since Land Rover has managed to remove all that weight. Dividends are paid in the form of 0-60 runs of 5.1 seconds – a 0.8-second improvement. Fuel economy is also improved to 13/19/15 (city, highway and combined). Our lead feet led to a week-long tally of just 13.9 miles per gallon, though that did include a few extended stints at idle with the air conditioning on. In any case, we doubt the SUV's intended buyer will care how much fuel it drinks in between 27.7-gallon tank fill-ups if they are choosing the big supercharged V8 engine, and the ones who do mind will probably be more than content with the smaller supercharged V6. We wish the company could find a way to offer a diesel engine in the States, but we look forward to sampling the new six-cylinder base engine since the oil-burning mill doesn't seem likely on our shores.
The Range Rover has always managed to feel worth its high-dollar sticker price.
If nothing else, the V6 engine may help lower the price of what is undeniably an expensive vehicle. The base 2013 Land Rover Range Rover starts at a heady $83,545, and it only goes up from there. Equipped with the supercharged engine and a few luxury packages that we can't imagine owning a Range Rover without, our test car carried with it a sticker that just crested $115,000. The top-shelf Autobiography model begins emptying wallets with a dizzying $130,995 sticker price, and you can push that within spitting distance of $150,000 after adding a few more bits of decadence.
The Range Rover, though, has somehow always managed to feel worth its high-dollar sticker price. The accommodations couldn't be nicer, and the 2013 model is the kind of vehicle that can quite literally take you anywhere you may want to go. But the same thing could be said of the last generation of Landie's off-roader. So, the question remains: Did they "make it better"? In the end, they did. We just didn't realize how much we liked the last Range Rover until it was... well, made better.
And so go the perils of updating an iconic SUV with legendary capabilities.
- 2013 Land Rover Range Rover [w/video]
Forgive us for regaling you with these descriptors yet again, but when it comes to the 2013 Land Rover Range Rover, there simply aren't any words in the English language that can be applied to this sport utility vehicle that are as accurate and forceful as legendary and iconic. And what's especially impressive about our use of these adjectives is that they apply equally well when discussing the Range Rover's off-road capabilities as they do its position as a status symbol.
This marketplace position, however laudable and desirable it may be, presents a unique problem: How do you redesign a legendary SUV to be better, faster and stronger while maintaining its posh image? The boffins at Land Rover think they've nailed the art of the redesign, and we spent a week with the 2013 Range Rover to find out for ourselves if you really can mess with success and come out the victor.
The new 2013 model is more of the same, for the most part.
"Don't change it, just make it better." Those were the words of Andrew Polsinelli, Land Rover North America's head of product planning, to our own Jonathon Ramsey when describing how current Range Rover owners drove the product development team at the Indian-owned-yet-still-very-British-feeling automaker for 2013. The only problem with that directive is that "better" can mean different things to different people – do you want the Range Rover to drive better on the road, or do you want it to enhance its legendary off-roading capabilities? As it turns out, the answer to that question was simple: Owners wanted both.
One area where making it better caused a recognizable change or two to the latest Range Rover is its external appearance. The previous generation of Land Rover's SUV gave off an unmistakable vibe that ingrained into the onlooker that it was just as happy crossing a random stream in Africa as it was parallel parking in front of the local Starbucks. The new 2013 model is more of the same, for the most part.
It's an attractive SUV that will never be mistaken for anything else.
Signature elements like the clamshell hood, broad roof held up by thin pillars (well, they at least look thin, since they are blacked out to hide them from view) and fastback rear glass join with the more-recent vertical vents behind the front wheels and intricately detailed grille insert to make this latest Rover immediately recognizable. At the same time, changes to the recipe like a much more steeply raked windshield and jewel-like head- and taillamp clusters bring the 'ute kicking and screaming into modern times.
When push comes to shove, we prefer the less ornamental and more purposeful look of the last-generation Range Rover to the more streamlined appearance of the 2013 model, but we're probably being picky. The 2013 Land Rover Range Rover is an attractive SUV that will never be mistaken for anything else – it just doesn't bludgeon its 'I'm better than you' ethos into our retinas quite like the last Range Rover did.
It's a similar story inside. It's incredible how many buttons, dials and switches Land Rover was able to delete in this latest Range Rover remake. The spec sheet says interior clutter has been reduced by 50 percent, but it feels like way more than that when sitting behind the wheel. Ergonomically, the new Range Rover is much easier to use than the last one, with a large eight-inch touchscreen interface dominating the center of the dash that controls such items as the audio and navigation systems, which includes settings for on-road and off-road driving.
It's incredible how many buttons, dials and switches Land Rover was able to delete.
Directly behind the steering wheel is another screen measuring a full 12.3 inches and housing the twin digital gauges along with trip information and cool bits of data reminding you how you've configured the numerous drivetrain functions. The climate control switchgear is kept separate in a bundle tidily located between the two front occupants, and we appreciate how easy it is to make quick adjustments without resorting to the touchscreen interface above.
The interior is much less imposing for 2013 compared to the button-heavy 2012 model, but again, part of the Range Rover's charm may have been lost in the process of modernization. There still isn't a more luxurious place in the world to experience all that the beaten path hides from plain sight, but the more industrial look of the last-gen Range Rover somehow appeals to our inner senses and insensibilities.
Much of the Range Rover's legendary status comes from that fact that it has proven time and time again to be the most extraordinarily capable production SUV in the world, and for 2013, it's more functional than ever before. As in past years, there's a dial in the center of the console with settings for the kind of use the vehicle is required to get you through – General, Grass/Gravel/Snow, Mud/Ruts, Sand and Rock Crawl. For 2013, though, the system is called Terrain Response System 2 and it comes with an Auto setting. Land Rover has made the system smarter and quicker, reading the wheels and body motions with sensors aplenty and processing all that data into the proper amounts of wheel articulation while sending torque to the wheel with the most available traction.
The air suspension can raise the Range Rover 11.9 inches off the ground.
It's all very high-tech, but just as importantly, this Land Rover is capable of shielding the driver behind laminated panes of glass so he can go about pounding the terrain into submission without actually breaking a sweat or spilling his drink. Which would be hot Earl Gray tea, naturally, and please hold the lemon.
Underneath the snazzy bodywork is an air suspension system that can raise and lower the car using a switch in the cabin. Not only is it a fun party trick when the car is full of passengers, it's also able to raise the Range Rover 11.9 inches off the ground. Combined with 10.2 inches of suspension travel up front and 12.2 inches out back, the 2013 Range Rover can scurry up and over just about any obstacle in its way. We recorded a quick demonstration of this system at work that you can check out below.
There's a shocking 700-pound reduction from the last model's weight.
On-road handling is exemplary as well. We're not sure how Land Rover has managed to make a vehicle that feels like it rides on its own bespoke set of billowing clouds on tarmac while simultaneously managing to crawl over jagged rocks and washboard surfaces with aplomb, but they did it. Stopping performance, headlined by the six-piston Brembo calipers up front, is also good, helped in no small part by the dramatic reduction in weight. Land Rover says its 2013 Range Rover weighs in at 4,850 pounds. It's no lightweight, but that figure represents a shocking 700-pound reduction from the last model, thanks largely to a massive increase in the use of aluminum in place of steel.
Driving the 2013 Range Rover is a pleasure, as it is quiet, smooth and comfortable. Handling is aided by a new system called Dynamic Lean Response, which electronically controls the sway bars to keep the car flat through corners. You can't actually feel it working, but we suppose that's probably a good thing.
Our lead feet led to a week-long tally of just 13.9 mpg.
For 2014 (that's next model year – our test car was a '13), power for a base model comes from a newly launched supercharged 3.0-liter V6 that sends 340 horsepower and 332 pound-feet of torque to all four wheels through an eight-speed automatic transmission. We haven't sampled this supercharged V6 in the Range Rover, but the company promises better performance than the previously standard 5.0-liter V8, along with improved fuel efficiency estimated at 16 miles per gallon in the city, 22 on the highway and 18 mpg combined.
Currently, though, shoppers have the choice of two V8 engines, the aforementioned base V8 and what our test vehicle was equipped with, a supercharged version with 510 horsepower and 461 lb-ft of torque. That's plenty of power, since Land Rover has managed to remove all that weight. Dividends are paid in the form of 0-60 runs of 5.1 seconds – a 0.8-second improvement. Fuel economy is also improved to 13/19/15 (city, highway and combined). Our lead feet led to a week-long tally of just 13.9 miles per gallon, though that did include a few extended stints at idle with the air conditioning on. In any case, we doubt the SUV's intended buyer will care how much fuel it drinks in between 27.7-gallon tank fill-ups if they are choosing the big supercharged V8 engine, and the ones who do mind will probably be more than content with the smaller supercharged V6. We wish the company could find a way to offer a diesel engine in the States, but we look forward to sampling the new six-cylinder base engine since the oil-burning mill doesn't seem likely on our shores.
The Range Rover has always managed to feel worth its high-dollar sticker price.
If nothing else, the V6 engine may help lower the price of what is undeniably an expensive vehicle. The base 2013 Land Rover Range Rover starts at a heady $83,545, and it only goes up from there. Equipped with the supercharged engine and a few luxury packages that we can't imagine owning a Range Rover without, our test car carried with it a sticker that just crested $115,000. The top-shelf Autobiography model begins emptying wallets with a dizzying $130,995 sticker price, and you can push that within spitting distance of $150,000 after adding a few more bits of decadence.
The Range Rover, though, has somehow always managed to feel worth its high-dollar sticker price. The accommodations couldn't be nicer, and the 2013 model is the kind of vehicle that can quite literally take you anywhere you may want to go. But the same thing could be said of the last generation of Landie's off-roader. So, the question remains: Did they "make it better"? In the end, they did. We just didn't realize how much we liked the last Range Rover until it was... well, made better.
And so go the perils of updating an iconic SUV with legendary capabilities.
- 2013 Land Rover Range Rover [w/video]
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The Autoblog article really summed up perfectly how I feel about the exterior and interior of this RR vs the previous one.
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the antidote to Autoblog's article:
http://www.4wheelfun.de/einzeltest/range-rover-tdv8-britische-massenbewegung-6895064.html
How much must they pay the likes of AOL's Autoblog and all the other shysters to run such vomit-inducing PR lies, like that above from Jeremy Korzeniewski?
I guess this strategy of massive PR spend and zilch technical endeavour pays off for a while - witness the saps taken in with the dreadful Evoque and the hype over the 'new', actually worse Range Rover - but as it must be, this is doomed to fail, as eventually reality must catch up with the litany of lies.
For the record, Auto Motor Und Sport('4WheelFun') found pretty much the same as the near-smeared outfit at AutoEvolution - see here: Range Rover Supercharged review - that the new, 'improved', 'lighter' Range Rover was actually - when tested, not just cut and pasting Land Rover's PR, a la Autoblog - a backward step from the now nostalgically viewed L322 Range Rover, due to its rather appalling suspension, INCREASED weight, and general aura of undevelopment and real or no technological development, but of course a jacked up price.
But as long as there is extremely well-rewarded shill outfits out there, like AOL-Autoblog for the US market and Haymarket's Autocar for the UK/Europe market, there'll be enough over-monied saps sucked in by the hype and outright lies, to ensure the new Range Rover's success for the first year/18 months of sale, like the Evoque, before the penny drops with the mug punters, that they've once again been sold a pup by the world's most unreliable maker of passenger vehicles. In fact, the only thing Land Rover can be counted on to be reliable about is to always lie.
http://www.4wheelfun.de/einzeltest/range-rover-tdv8-britische-massenbewegung-6895064.html
How much must they pay the likes of AOL's Autoblog and all the other shysters to run such vomit-inducing PR lies, like that above from Jeremy Korzeniewski?
I guess this strategy of massive PR spend and zilch technical endeavour pays off for a while - witness the saps taken in with the dreadful Evoque and the hype over the 'new', actually worse Range Rover - but as it must be, this is doomed to fail, as eventually reality must catch up with the litany of lies.
For the record, Auto Motor Und Sport('4WheelFun') found pretty much the same as the near-smeared outfit at AutoEvolution - see here: Range Rover Supercharged review - that the new, 'improved', 'lighter' Range Rover was actually - when tested, not just cut and pasting Land Rover's PR, a la Autoblog - a backward step from the now nostalgically viewed L322 Range Rover, due to its rather appalling suspension, INCREASED weight, and general aura of undevelopment and real or no technological development, but of course a jacked up price.
But as long as there is extremely well-rewarded shill outfits out there, like AOL-Autoblog for the US market and Haymarket's Autocar for the UK/Europe market, there'll be enough over-monied saps sucked in by the hype and outright lies, to ensure the new Range Rover's success for the first year/18 months of sale, like the Evoque, before the penny drops with the mug punters, that they've once again been sold a pup by the world's most unreliable maker of passenger vehicles. In fact, the only thing Land Rover can be counted on to be reliable about is to always lie.
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Compare and contrast a test of the new Range Rover by Auto Motor Und Sport to the shill outfit Autoblog's 'test':
AMS('4WheelFun') tested vehicle weight: 5,836 lb Autoblog stated vehicle weight: 4,850 lbs
AMS recently weighed the new, steel-bodied, Merc GL350 Bluetec diesel at 100 pounds lighter, 5,734 lb, for comparison, of just how heavy the new, 'lighter' Range Rover really is.
- bear in mind, Land Rover themselves say the V8 diesel and V8 petrol supercharged weigh within 30 kilos of each other.
Crucially, Autoblog have set out to deliberately mislead their readers into thinking the new Range Rover is genuinely up to 400 kilos lighter than the old one, as per the claim by Land Rover.
Autoblog's test conculsion was in effect that Land Rover's huge price hike over the old car was okay, because somehow it was 'better' - than the old car - and therefore justified.
Jeremy and the crew at Autoblog know it is their job to sell the huge price hike to the mug punters, even though they must know the old car was actually better, and the last paragraph of the report dropped huge, coded-like hints of this, but not enough to directly upset their paymasters, Land Rover, or enough probably to get through to the unsophisticated readership at Autoblog, which seems to be largely made up of paid shills from manufacturers or their lobbyists anyway.
Not only is the '400kg lighter' outrageous lie demolished by AMS's test, but it also damns the new vehicle in other areas, as follows:
lacklustre performance: 0-100 km/h in 7 secs, little better than base model V6 diesel engine performance from the likes of the X5, Cayenne, ML and so on.
modest/poor braking performance: nearly 40 metres to stop from 100 km/h.
modest/poor real-world fuel consumption: 23 imp. mpg for the diesel, compared to the 33 mpg claimed, probably due to trying to haul almost 3 US tons around.
and,
poor body control
poor ride comfort - described as 'wooden'
understeer tendency
remote steering feel.
etc..
BUT, it's a Range Rover, so apparently worth over €100k.
AMS('4WheelFun') tested vehicle weight: 5,836 lb Autoblog stated vehicle weight: 4,850 lbs
AMS recently weighed the new, steel-bodied, Merc GL350 Bluetec diesel at 100 pounds lighter, 5,734 lb, for comparison, of just how heavy the new, 'lighter' Range Rover really is.
- bear in mind, Land Rover themselves say the V8 diesel and V8 petrol supercharged weigh within 30 kilos of each other.
Crucially, Autoblog have set out to deliberately mislead their readers into thinking the new Range Rover is genuinely up to 400 kilos lighter than the old one, as per the claim by Land Rover.
Autoblog's test conculsion was in effect that Land Rover's huge price hike over the old car was okay, because somehow it was 'better' - than the old car - and therefore justified.
Jeremy and the crew at Autoblog know it is their job to sell the huge price hike to the mug punters, even though they must know the old car was actually better, and the last paragraph of the report dropped huge, coded-like hints of this, but not enough to directly upset their paymasters, Land Rover, or enough probably to get through to the unsophisticated readership at Autoblog, which seems to be largely made up of paid shills from manufacturers or their lobbyists anyway.
Not only is the '400kg lighter' outrageous lie demolished by AMS's test, but it also damns the new vehicle in other areas, as follows:
lacklustre performance: 0-100 km/h in 7 secs, little better than base model V6 diesel engine performance from the likes of the X5, Cayenne, ML and so on.
modest/poor braking performance: nearly 40 metres to stop from 100 km/h.
modest/poor real-world fuel consumption: 23 imp. mpg for the diesel, compared to the 33 mpg claimed, probably due to trying to haul almost 3 US tons around.
and,
poor body control
poor ride comfort - described as 'wooden'
understeer tendency
remote steering feel.
etc..
BUT, it's a Range Rover, so apparently worth over €100k.
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You really got a point there ! That is exactly what is happening in my local markets. People used to drive BMWs and Mercs were buying Evoques. That was last year. This year, Evoques flooded luxury car showrooms with depreciation as much as twice as other luxury brands, simply because the owners want to get rid them fast but as more and more Evoques showing up in the showrooms, more and more people decide not to buy them used and it only makes the price goes even lower and none of the owners are liking this.
I love the Evoque but even an owner told me to forget it, even at the heavily discounted used prices. Something is not right and owners know what it is, but magazine readers and forum members, who have not actually had any experience owning them, would not know and tend not to believe that such a big name modern carmaker could still be making unreliable vehicles. Branding is the main factor here.
Brand new, almost no modern car is unrealiable. But while 1-2 year old Beemers, Mercs and Audis are still like new, owners are getting rid of their Range Rovers.
I love the Evoque so am looking at its used car market but Evoque owners have been telling me to wait for the Macan instead, which is exactly what they are doing after putting their Evoques for sale.
Just food for thought.
I do not think Kilcrohane is the bad guy here. He is just reporting the reality which most people find it hard to accept or believe.. Until they own a Range Rover for a few years and live with them...
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^ cheers, Huckfeldt. Like I said before, if you want to see just how unbelievably bad the Evoque really is just read a few threads on the largest internet Evoque forum, http://babyrr.com/forum/Forum-General , and the even funnier attempts by the forum diehards there to defend the ridiculous vehicle and its amazing awfulness, as they try to shore up their residual values, before they offload the heaps they were suckered into buying by borderline corrupt auto journalists, in the UK and US media mainly.
now something more positive:
there is hope for independent journalism:
Über die gesamte Testdauer schafft er einen Schnitt von 12,2 L/100 km. Das ist umso bemerkenswerter, als der Testwagen 2.647 Kilogramm auf die Waage wuchtet. Nur, liebe Briten, wie kommt Ihr bitte auf jene 2.360 Kilogramm, die das Datenblatt vorgaukelt? Wie genau möchte Jaguar Land Rover "seine Führungsrolle bei der Entwicklung besonders leichter High-Tech-Strukturen" (Pressetext) unterstreichen?
- Bravo, AMS! Not afraid to say the emperor has no clothes, and go as close as anyone in the mainstream media to calling JLR liars.
"seine Führungsrolle bei der Entwicklung besonders leichter High-Tech-Strukturen" (Pressetext)
- utterly shameless w*nkers.
now something more positive:
there is hope for independent journalism:
Über die gesamte Testdauer schafft er einen Schnitt von 12,2 L/100 km. Das ist umso bemerkenswerter, als der Testwagen 2.647 Kilogramm auf die Waage wuchtet. Nur, liebe Briten, wie kommt Ihr bitte auf jene 2.360 Kilogramm, die das Datenblatt vorgaukelt? Wie genau möchte Jaguar Land Rover "seine Führungsrolle bei der Entwicklung besonders leichter High-Tech-Strukturen" (Pressetext) unterstreichen?
- Bravo, AMS! Not afraid to say the emperor has no clothes, and go as close as anyone in the mainstream media to calling JLR liars.
"seine Führungsrolle bei der Entwicklung besonders leichter High-Tech-Strukturen" (Pressetext)
- utterly shameless w*nkers.
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Im übrigen wirkt das Infotainment-System in einem deutlich über 100.000 Euro teuren Luxus-SUV so standesgemäß wie der Musikantenstadl-Wanderzirkus bei einer Familienfeier am britischen Hof.
Zwar verfügt es über eine Sprachsteuerung, allerdings ohne jegliche Sprachbegabung.
Und die Kartendarstellung wirkt im Vergleich zu einigen Wettbewerbern wie schnell von Hand hingekritzelt.
- ha, ha! Tell us what you really think, AMS!
My god, even I didn't think JLR would have the nerve/be so stupid to release such an outrageous piece of sh*t.
It can only be that they are now fully believing their own and media lackey assisted hype - always fatal!
Buoyed up by the massive arse-licking associated with the huge initial sales success of the egregious Evoque the cretins at Gaydon, like Hallmark, McGovern, Callum and Speth, really must now think they can turn out almost literal sh*te and the prats will still lap it up, abetted by their 'joker in the pack' obsequious UK/US media helpers.
This will not end well - not least for their many admirers here. Once you start believing your own BS, the end is not far away. When a company starts launching 'new' product that is actually inferior to the old ones, and charging much much more for it, you know that they have forgotten the meaning of hubris.
Zwar verfügt es über eine Sprachsteuerung, allerdings ohne jegliche Sprachbegabung.
Und die Kartendarstellung wirkt im Vergleich zu einigen Wettbewerbern wie schnell von Hand hingekritzelt.
- ha, ha! Tell us what you really think, AMS!
My god, even I didn't think JLR would have the nerve/be so stupid to release such an outrageous piece of sh*t.
It can only be that they are now fully believing their own and media lackey assisted hype - always fatal!
Buoyed up by the massive arse-licking associated with the huge initial sales success of the egregious Evoque the cretins at Gaydon, like Hallmark, McGovern, Callum and Speth, really must now think they can turn out almost literal sh*te and the prats will still lap it up, abetted by their 'joker in the pack' obsequious UK/US media helpers.
This will not end well - not least for their many admirers here. Once you start believing your own BS, the end is not far away. When a company starts launching 'new' product that is actually inferior to the old ones, and charging much much more for it, you know that they have forgotten the meaning of hubris.
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Lets just not hope that they inspire other auto manufacturers. This is outrageous. But then customers wouldn't care if it feels better compared to the older models.
Thanks for putting some effort finding the truth. I found that enlightening.
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So I guess BMW's end is not far away.
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True. The temptation must be great. It's like opening the gates to hell - the race to the bottom and all that - which is why I utterly despise JLR, and all its corrupt, cynical abetters in the media, and mindless, cultist-like supporters elsewhere, for the damage they have already done to the fight for moral integrity, which at bottom is what life is all about. If we all take 'the short cut' there's ultimately no point in life, the good life.
Cheers, Sayyaaf. I really appreciate that. It's not easy to stand against the crowd.
The great man, George Orwell, Eric Blair, exposer of and fighter against tyranny and the power of concerted lies - 'Newspeak' - , said it best:
'In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.'
Every car/brand can have some serious issues, heck BMW owners had some real major problems with their M-DCT equipped cars at the start myself included and on one occasion it left me free-wheeling across a dual carriageway which frankly scared the sh1t out of both me and the wife to the extent that she refused to drive it again. Audi had issues with the suspension on their first gen RS6 and FSI carbon buildup and I'm sure if I looked I would see similar with almost every brand on sale today.
I looked the UK autotrader for the huge drop off you claimed on the Evoque but by all accounts its holding extremely well and quite the opposite to what you are saying.
Your remarks towards the brand tells me one thing for sure, you have personal history with the brand in some way which has seriously went bad so why not come clean with what happened.
I looked the UK autotrader for the huge drop off you claimed on the Evoque but by all accounts its holding extremely well and quite the opposite to what you are saying.
Your remarks towards the brand tells me one thing for sure, you have personal history with the brand in some way which has seriously went bad so why not come clean with what happened.
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I like your contribution and the point you bring the truth to light, but it is one sided only. You only tell about the british brands, not german, italian, japanese, korean or amercian. Just tell me you have only insight on brithish brands and no other. But don't tell me only britts decieve.
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Jaguar Land Rover
Jaguar Land Rover Automotive PLC is the holding company for
Jaguar Land Rover Limited, also known as JLR, a British
multinational manufacturer of luxury and sports utility vehicles.
JLR, headquartered in Whitley, Coventry, UK, is a subsidiary of
Tata Motors. Jaguar and Land Rover, with histories dating to
the 1920s and 1940s, merged in 1968 under British Leyland.
They later became independent and were subsidiaries of BMW and
Ford. In 2000, BMW dissolved the Rover Group, selling Land
Rover to Ford. Since 2008, Tata Motors has owned Jaguar Land
Rover.
Official website: JLR
Official website: JLR
