Hot! Porsche: What's Next

[Deleted member 57437]

"A few statements from Volkswagen boss Herbert Diess have revealed the two new models that Porsche will bring onto the market in the coming years. A new high-performance sedan and crossover that not only promises top sporting performance, but also a measure of luxury comfort and technology - qualities of the Artemis from Porsche.

It was more than clear, but it took a few comments from Herbert Diess, Chairman of the Board of Management of Volkswagen, to close the circle. We already knew that, and the Artemis luxury project initiated by Audi was a three-way project in which Bentley and Porsche were also stuck in garlic. All three will be based on the crossover format in order to conceive a model that arrives full of technology and each with a completely different dynamic.

But while a high level of comfort on board is more than guaranteed, the British will take it to the extreme and Porsche will show that this level of comfort does not compromise breakneck performance. This future model, which Diess has confirmed, is exactly the one that we confirmed to you only a few days ago, an alternative to the Cayenne from the side of zero emissions and to avoid the misinterpreted words that referred to the declaration of intent from Porsche, to come on the market a larger SUV than the current top model.

Porsche Artemis and the future Panamera, two completely new electric ones
The Porsche Artemis is under development and is referred to internally as "K1". A model more than five meters in length that will be placed between the Macan and Cayenne and closer to that model than the previous SUV, based on the larger section of the PPE platform. The technical part at the chassis level is brand-specific, which is why the Weissachers use all their experience to integrate very specific adaptations that will distinguish them from Audi and Bentley.

This exclusive electric model will be manufactured at the German brand's location in Leipzig from 2026, a plant with extensive experience in the field of electrification, as its employees have been manufacturing the plug-in hybrid units for the Porsche Panamera for five years. And it is precisely this model that is the protagonist in Herbert Diess' statements. Because its successor, which should come onto the market between 2024 and 2025. It will also be electric and it will be the second one that will also be manufactured in Leipzig."*

*Google Translate version of motor.es article.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

"A few statements from Volkswagen boss Herbert Diess have revealed the two new models that Porsche will bring onto the market in the coming years. A new high-performance sedan and crossover that not only promises top sporting performance, but also a measure of luxury comfort and technology - qualities of the Artemis from Porsche.

It was more than clear, but it took a few comments from Herbert Diess, Chairman of the Board of Management of Volkswagen, to close the circle. We already knew that, and the Artemis luxury project initiated by Audi was a three-way project in which Bentley and Porsche were also stuck in garlic. All three will be based on the crossover format in order to conceive a model that arrives full of technology and each with a completely different dynamic.

But while a high level of comfort on board is more than guaranteed, the British will take it to the extreme and Porsche will show that this level of comfort does not compromise breakneck performance. This future model, which Diess has confirmed, is exactly the one that we confirmed to you only a few days ago, an alternative to the Cayenne from the side of zero emissions and to avoid the misinterpreted words that referred to the declaration of intent from Porsche, to come on the market a larger SUV than the current top model.

Porsche Artemis and the future Panamera, two completely new electric ones
The Porsche Artemis is under development and is referred to internally as "K1". A model more than five meters in length that will be placed between the Macan and Cayenne and closer to that model than the previous SUV, based on the larger section of the PPE platform. The technical part at the chassis level is brand-specific, which is why the Weissachers use all their experience to integrate very specific adaptations that will distinguish them from Audi and Bentley.

This exclusive electric model will be manufactured at the German brand's location in Leipzig from 2026, a plant with extensive experience in the field of electrification, as its employees have been manufacturing the plug-in hybrid units for the Porsche Panamera for five years. And it is precisely this model that is the protagonist in Herbert Diess' statements. Because its successor, which should come onto the market between 2024 and 2025. It will also be electric and it will be the second one that will also be manufactured in Leipzig."*

*Google Translate version of motor.es article.

It would be much more promising if Porsche was the driving force of this project and not AUDI

 

[Merc1]

I wouldn’t worry. Porsche will make it their own and totally unrecognizable from the Audi version.

M

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Auto Motor und Sport is reporting that Porsche's electric luxury crossover aka K1 will be produced at the Porsche Leipzig facility rather than the previously envisioned, refurbished VW commercial vehicle assembly plant in Hannover. Porsche will pay a negotiated penalty "in the low 3-digit mio. Euros" to VW Commercial Vehicles in order to absolve themselves from the previous agreement. It appears that Porsche is seeking a higher degree of autonomy and envisages the development of a "more driver oriented" product that will more clearly distinguish itself from the "Artemis Project" production-version Audi Grandsphere and the upcoming electric Bentley high ride height crossover. While remaining unclear exactly what type of automobile Porsche will present to customers towards the end of 2025/beginning of 2026, it is speculated that the car may be either a large, athletic low ride height electric luxury sedoupe situated above the Taycan (direct Panamera successor)-or- a medium ride height large electric luxury crossover that blends the characters of the Panamera and Cayenne. It also appears that Porsche will develope its' bespoke version of the upcoming SSP electric toolkit (900 V architecture) that will be decidedly "self-driver oriented" rather than prioritizing autonomous driving. The car will be produced along side of the upcoming e-Macan.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Porsche Just Spent 100 Million Euros To Ditch Volkswagen's Flagship EV Tech
https://jalopnik.com/porsche-just-s...1hLeDgjhABIjRo8noh4NSJ15veIIixE2kGFDQUHbIdMc4

Probably of interest to you @Oida.

 

[klier]

Porsche Just Spent 100 Million Euros To Ditch Volkswagen's Flagship EV Tech
https://jalopnik.com/porsche-just-s...1hLeDgjhABIjRo8noh4NSJ15veIIixE2kGFDQUHbIdMc4

Probably of interest to you @Oida.

LMAO this is classic. Porsxche spent 113 million to not use the platform. LMAO again!!!

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

LMAO this is classic. Porsxche spent 113 million to not use the platform. LMAO again!!!

Doesn't bode well for the platform.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Doesn't bode well for the platform.

Not necessarily the case.

Artemis was once an autonomous entity under the VAG umbrella specializing in electronic/digital solutions and has been since incorporated into the Audi AG organization. Audi is on the corporate forefront regarding autonomous driving solutions for large, luxurious lounge-like flagship conveyances. And Porsche having recently relinquished its' "responsibilities" for Bentley to Audi (Porsche decision-makers apparently found efforts involving Bentley more of a resource drain than an asset and VAG directors perceiving an Audi/Bentley collaboration as "more fitting" after all), Artemis remains more relevant for Bentley as well. The highly-scalable underpinning battery/e.motor and inverter/air chamber suspension platforms per se (PPE and MEB eventually being consolidated into SSP) will continue development as planned ( or so I've understood)-with the exception of Porsche executing some bespoke modification in order to satisfy very brand-specific criteria. In the grander scheme of things, Porsche's 100 mio Euro "penalty" is really tuppence-considering the amount of R&D Porsche executes for not only the VAG organization in general, but also for "outside" recipients. And Porsche is rewarded generously for its' services.

My 2 Euro cents understanding on the topic anyway.

 

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[Deleted member 57437]

Featured on the motor.es website:

Aka "K1", Porsche's upcoming electric luxury segment flagship.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

^^ K1 continued:

The illustration appears to be based on elaborations by selected North American Porsche Center spokepersons who actually had the opportunity to view images (or a mock-up) of the car at a very "hush, hush", highly confidential venue.

The motor.es article alludes to a 1000V (!) architecture that will reduce charging times (assumed 5-to-80 percent) to 10 minutes. Projected range will be some 700 kms.
Projected presentation is scheduled for 2025.

 

[SNB]

Featured on the motor.es website:

Aka "K1", Porsche's upcoming electric luxury segment flagship.

Looks spectacular but the render is obviously based on the Audi GrandSphere concept. Those specs also sound insane, can’t wait to see it.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Looks spectacular but the render is obviously based on the Audi GrandSphere concept.

Very similar indeed. But bearing in mind what was expressed by guests at that very selective, closed audience Porsche AG presentation, more than a little seems to confirm the legitimacy of the motor.es illustration.

 

[LaArtist]

i knew that the panamera Will not die

 

[Bradman]

i knew that the panamera Will not die

Exactly.

First spy shots of third generation?

 

[Gor134]

At first glance it looks incredibly similar to the current gen with a redesigned front but.. the rear quarter panel is changed because the lift gate design is different and now features a circular fuel cap. I wonder if this is a true next-gen or something along the lines of the new Lexus IS where the exterior is fully redesigned but is the same car underneath.

 

[Bradman]

In my opinion, this is a facelift. Second in this generation, but real and serious.

 

[J.E]

The next generation Porsche Panamera.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

The next generation Porsche Panamera.

This appears to be quite an extensive facelift featuring actual sheetmetal renovations (front wings, C-pillars + rear window, perhaps wheelarches as well ?).