Panamera Porsche Panamera Mk3

[Centurion]

It has new design in and out, new PCM, suspension,

The suspension at the bleeding edge of tech. I think it's a preview of what to come for the Macan EV.

It is super strong and capable of manhandling the car. No wonder it's exclusive to the hybrid model.

Porsche as showcasing they suspension is there is room for innovation. Rear wheel steering was the first tech that made big and heavy cars feel lighter and smaller.

Electronic anti rollbars and aggressively actuating springs/shock will be the next buzz words. Whether braking, accelerating or turning I think there will be alot of software magic to mimic the sensation of less weight transfer.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Porsche playing it so safe lately could be a à-la-911 plan?

I mean , Panamera is almost the same thing over the years....Cayenne the same thing....

911 is the most profitable car of all , with around 50% margin.

Given the fact that Porsche is pretty much flat in the last years , with "special" editions of 911 here and there , could they have implemented the same thing to Panamera too? The price is up pretty good.

Agreed. Not much to get excited about. Especially the Cayenne is a dull non-beauty in my eyes. The 911 is the only really good looking one of the bunch, with the Cayman/Boxster coming second at a distance.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Agreed. Not much to get excited about. Especially the Cayenne is a dull non-beauty in my eyes. The 911 is the only really good looking one of the bunch, with the Cayman/Boxster coming second at a distance.

You don't like the Taycan?

I think the 911 is a looker and the Macan has aged remarkably well.

 

[kiki voinea]

The suspension at the bleeding edge of tech. I think it's a preview of what to come for the Macan EV.

It is super strong and capable of manhandling the car. No wonder it's exclusive to the hybrid model.

Porsche as showcasing they suspension is there is room for innovation. Rear wheel steering was the first tech that made big and heavy cars feel lighter and smaller.

Electronic anti rollbars and aggressively actuating springs/shock will be the next buzz words. Whether braking, accelerating or turning I think there will be alot of software magic to mimic the sensation of less weight transfer.

I am really curious how that suspension feels in real life normal day-to-day use. Because let's be real , nobody is taking a Panamera to a track

 

[Mick Briesgau]

You don't like the Taycan?

I think the 911 is a looker and the Macan has aged remarkably well.

No, I don't. Weird looking car and that goes for both, the coupé and the wagon.

The Macan is looking 10 times better than the Cayenne, I'll give you that.

 

[AndreB]

I am really curious how that suspension feels in real life normal day-to-day use. Because let's be real , nobody is taking a Panamera to a track

I think the active suspension offers more comfort and at the same time keeps the car flat when you want to have fun and they remove the active antiroll bars.
Taycan ride with 21' wheels is really good and handling with active antiroll is like nothing else I've driven. Imagine an M3 going over bumps like a 7series.

No, I don't. Weird looking car and that goes for both, the coupé and the wagon.

The Macan is looking 10 times better than the Cayenne, I'll give you that.

Taycan looks "weird" but in a good way and its unique on the street, even the cyclist likes it, haha.
Agree the Cayenne looks too soft even in top trims and but in Sport + with PDCC/RWS its a beast! I'm talking about Cayenne Turbo not a 3l diesel, that's not a Porsche.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

I think the active suspension offers more comfort and at the same time keeps the car flat when you want to have fun and they remove the active antiroll bars.
Taycan ride with 21' wheels is really good and handling with active antiroll is like nothing else I've driven. Imagine an M3 going over bumps like a 7series.



Taycan looks "weird" but in a good way and its unique on the street, even the cyclist likes it, haha.
Agree the Cayenne looks too soft even in top trims and but in Sport + with PDCC/RWS its a beast! I'm talking about Cayenne Turbo not a 3l diesel, that's not a Porsche.

That cyclist could be thinking anything, André, from "Wow" to "Meh, what a weird pos"

 

[Centurion]

I am really curious how that suspension feels in real life normal day-to-day use. Because let's be real , nobody is taking a Panamera to a track

From a comfort perspective it will be a step up. Whether the difference i tangible or not depends on how how rough your roads are. Overall, the differences will be most noticeable when driving the car aggressively.

Either way, the Panamera is probably just a proof of concept test bed for the suspension. If it works well on the Panamera which is big and heavy, it will work wonders on future EV Porsche models that will weigh 1,900-2,000kg.

In the UK, it is a £7k option which is probably the most expensive suspension upgrade ever. I will be surprised if the triple motor Taycan has coilovers instead of this suspension.


£6,978.00
Porsche Active Ride
Active chassis control system on all four wheels to increase comfort and performance. In the air suspension shock absorbers, tensile and compressive forces can be generated individually on each wheel as required. The result: an even greater balance between comfortable travel and sporty driving dynamics.

For improved comfort:
- Increased stability of the vehicle body on uneven roads
- Active cornering dynamics: reduction of lateral forces for the occupants by tilting the vehicle towards the inside of the corner
- Acceleration and braking comfort: reduction of longitudinal forces for the occupants by lowering/raising the vehicle on the front/rear axle
- Comfort entry height adjustment: quick raising and lowering of the entire body when opening and closing the doors
For more performance:
- Increased grip level through rolling-motion compensation in corners and pitch compensation when braking
- Lower centre of gravity by lowering the body below the low level of the air spring during dynamic cornering and heavy braking (in Sport Plus driving mode)

 

[kiki voinea]

From a comfort perspective it will be a step up. Whether the difference i tangible or not depends on how how rough your roads are. Overall, the differences will be most noticeable when driving the car aggressively.

Either way, the Panamera is probably just a proof of concept test bed for the suspension. If it works well on the Panamera which is big and heavy, it will work wonders on future EV Porsche models that will weigh 1,900-2,000kg.

In the UK, it is a £7k option which is probably the most expensive suspension upgrade ever. I will be surprised if the triple motor Taycan has coilovers instead of this suspension.


£6,978.00
Porsche Active Ride
Active chassis control system on all four wheels to increase comfort and performance. In the air suspension shock absorbers, tensile and compressive forces can be generated individually on each wheel as required. The result: an even greater balance between comfortable travel and sporty driving dynamics.

For improved comfort:
- Increased stability of the vehicle body on uneven roads
- Active cornering dynamics: reduction of lateral forces for the occupants by tilting the vehicle towards the inside of the corner
- Acceleration and braking comfort: reduction of longitudinal forces for the occupants by lowering/raising the vehicle on the front/rear axle
- Comfort entry height adjustment: quick raising and lowering of the entire body when opening and closing the doors
For more performance:
- Increased grip level through rolling-motion compensation in corners and pitch compensation when braking
- Lower centre of gravity by lowering the body below the low level of the air spring during dynamic cornering and heavy braking (in Sport Plus driving mode)

On par with Magic Body Control. That was a 6-7k option back then also.

And....It failed...

 

[Merc1]

I’m not understanding all this talk about this suspension, all of this has been done years ago. There is nothing new here.

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[empower77]

Except for China is this car even relevant?

The S class and mayyyybe the 7 series will be around for one or two more model cycles. Not a lot of people care about large cars when massive SUVs are so prevalent

 

[AndreB]

From a comfort perspective it will be a step up. Whether the difference i tangible or not depends on how how rough your roads are. Overall, the differences will be most noticeable when driving the car aggressively.

Either way, the Panamera is probably just a proof of concept test bed for the suspension. If it works well on the Panamera which is big and heavy, it will work wonders on future EV Porsche models that will weigh 1,900-2,000kg.

In the UK, it is a £7k option which is probably the most expensive suspension upgrade ever. I will be surprised if the triple motor Taycan has coilovers instead of this suspension.

If the active suspension is better than Taycan's suspension then its S-class level of comfort with Porsche handling, I'd say huge achievement however it must be a lot better than standard to worth the price.

Tri-motor Taycan must have air suspension otherwise it won't lower at high speed to reduce drag.

 

[kiki voinea]

If the active suspension is better than Taycan's suspension then its S-class level of comfort with Porsche handling, I'd say huge achievement however it must be a lot better than standard to worth the price.

Tri-motor Taycan must have air suspension otherwise it won't lower at high speed to reduce drag.

Well , it's a Porsche. People will probably pay for it

They pay over 3k for that subsecond clock, and 500euros for the logo on the headrest...7k for a suspension seems on par

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

If the active suspension is better than Taycan's suspension then its S-class level of comfort with Porsche handling, I'd say huge achievement however it must be a lot better than standard to worth the price.

Tri-motor Taycan must have air suspension otherwise it won't lower at high speed to reduce drag.

The Taycan suspension is a far cry from the S class in ride, so I don't think assuming this is better than a Taycan would necessarily mean it's offering S levels of suspension comfort.

 

[martinbo]

The Taycan suspension is a far cry from the S class in ride, so I don't think assuming this is better than a Taycan would necessarily mean it's offering S levels of suspension comfort.

A clear case of not all air suspensions are (for obvious reasons) created equal.

 

[AndreB]

The Taycan suspension is a far cry from the S class in ride, so I don't think assuming this is better than a Taycan would necessarily mean it's offering S levels of suspension comfort.

Maybe not quite a match for W223 ride comfort because the whole suspension bushings are more rigid and Porsche wheels in general are very wide, I wonder how the S-class feels with 315 wide tires.

I’m not understanding all this talk about this suspension, all of this has been done years ago. There is nothing new here.

The 400v air suspension without anti-roll bars is something new in the industry and it should bring a very comfortable ride without sacrificing handling, otherwise I don't see the point designing a highly complicated system.

 

[Dawid21]

I was at the pre-premiere show of the Panamera.
I have a few observations of my own that I would like to share.
From the outside, the car is impressive with its shapes.
Looking at the side of the car, you can see that it is not a new Panamera, but a facelift. The vertical inlets near the wheel arches that dissipate heat and air are interesting. The rear of the car is very attractive, the double LED strip looks great.
The interior is interesting, the central tunnel is very wide compared to the Panamera G2, I wonder what causes it, maybe someone knows?
The screen in front of the driver is quite ok, the steering wheel does not obscure the view of individual parameters.
The ambient lighting looks great, it goes from the side of the door to the center tunnel.
I think the Turbo models will definitely look good.
There was a Panamera 4 at the presentation, so the specification was not very rich. Overall, it makes a very good impression.

 

[Mii]

Relocation of center shift to repurpose for storage, cup holders (side by side, instead of arm rest area). The parallel lines made the central tunnel wider. Porsche should offer anti-glare (none glossy) option around central console area to minimize smudge or finger prints.

The interior is interesting, the central tunnel is very wide compared to the Panamera G2, I wonder what causes it, maybe someone knows?

G3 Interior

G2.2 Interior

 

[Dawid21]

The high-gloss center tunnel will be very susceptible to scratches.
It was not possible to take photos during the presentation.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Relocation of center shift to repurpose for storage, cup holders (side by side, instead of arm rest area). The parallel lines made the central tunnel wider. Porsche should offer anti-glare (none glossy) option around central console area to minimize smudge or finger prints.

G3 Interior

G2.2 Interior

Cost cutting frenzy. The cup holders in Mark III look even cheaper than they already did in the pre-facelift. All that for € 100.000 + as starting price …
But hey, what am I talking about? It’s a Porsche!