Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari


The thread is re-opened.

Of course, it will be locked again, the moment you guys start attacking each other, insult each other or abuse the ratings system.
 
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Top Gear Review (Subjective):
1. LaFerrari (1st, 1st, 1st)
2. Porsche 918 (2nd, 2nd, 3rd)
3. Mclaren P1 (3rd, 3rd, 2nd)

Evo UK Review (Subjective)
1. 918
2. P1

Autocar UK Review (Subjective)
1. P1
2. 918


Nurburgring
918 - 6:57s (record holder for production car on road tires)
P1 - No time published

Anglesey (Evo)
918 beat the P1 by 0.2s (first test)
P1 went 1.2s faster on Trofeo R on second test (months after 1st test, Porsche was not invited)
LaF laps 0.5s faster than P1 (on the same Pirelli Corsa tires as P1)

MIRA (Autocar)
918 beat the P1 by 1.1s.

Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
918 beat the P1 by 0.82s.
MIRA, P1 on the slower, non-equivalent tyre option in the damp, lost by 1.1 with a different driver on a different day.
1:06.8 vs 1:05.7
P2 on official lap time board.


Spa, P1 went 10s faster than 918 and LaFerrari on a different day. 918 and LaFerrari ran in same conditions that P1 ran in in MIRA test, and different drivers, as per MIRA test. P1 on slower tyre option also, as per MIRA test.:rolleyes:
2:38 vs 2:48
P1 on offical lap time board.


Laguna Seca, P1 with brake issue beat 918 with acceleration issue by 0.26s.
1:30.71 vs 1:30.97. 1:28 predicted with correctly functioning brakes.
P2 on official lap time board.


Anglesey, P1 on equal tyre to 918's 20% stickier Cup 2, won by 1.3s.
http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/u...264_e31d451be383311a75c5956745ae7cb6/web.html
1:11.11 vs 1:12.40
P1 on official lap time board.


P1 on standard Trofeo Rs beat rumoured time of a LaFerrari on a tyre of unknown specification by 1s at Anglesey.
1:11.11 vs 1:11.40
P1 on official lap time board.

Texas Speedway 2.9 mile
1:45.83
P1 on official lap time board.

Kyalami
1:43

P1 on official lap time board.

COTA
2:20 (so far). 2:13-2:16 predicted.
P1 on official lap time board.


Subjective reviews - There's a reason The Stig isn't allowed to talk.:rolleyes:
 
The other reason is that when you allow racing drivers to spout subjective POVs, there's a temptation for them to provide lap times such as to not make themselves look like idiots.
 
The other reason is that when you allow racing drivers to spout subjective POVs, there's a temptation for them to provide lap times such as to not make themselves look like idiots.

Er....no. The sole reason the Stig is mute is for the reason I said. It has nothing to do with stopping him from giving his opinion! :X3:
 
Sure it does. Subjective opinions can lead to objective results being manipulated, when the driver is doing both. And frankly the opinions of a pro-racer don't really relate to the common man.
 
Randy Pobst gives his opinion on every car he tests. But these opinions are given after he has set the best lap time he can. No driver says "this car is rubbish" and the goes out and sets a deliberately slow lap time to back up that opinion.
 
Randy Pobst gives his opinion on every car he tests. But these opinions are given after he has set the best lap time he can.
Which is the way it should be. In UK magazines, they drive the cars first, give opinions and then do the times, which leads to a conflict of interest.

I actually admire MT for their data and feedback.
 
Sure it does. Subjective opinions can lead to objective results being manipulated, when the driver is doing both. And frankly the opinions of a pro-racer don't really relate to the common man.

Good grief you don't half post complete conjecture. The SOLE reason the Stig was disguised from the outset was because of the difficulties in getting the same driver for filming each and every week when they have other commitments, and it would put their lap times into question if it was a different driver each time. So whilst there has been a regular "Stig" for each series, there are times when he has to have a stand in, whether that be Perry McCarthy, Ben Collins or whoever. is the "regular" driver.
 
Was out in recent days and saw rumors of 1:12.10 in the LaFerrari Anglesey. True or just rumor?
 
This is from the 918 driver on the laf and 918 spa video. In bold are the questions and non-bold are the drivers answers:
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Originally Posted by amenasce
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Was that your 918? Seems the 918 really pulls away after each corner, then the LaF slowly catches back and fares better on braking.

Really enjoyed watching the video. Manu is a very clean driver.

The 918 seems to have the advantage in and out of corners . Braking was impossible to compare as the track was incredibly treacherous at times and you can see we were braking very very early . The la ferrari is faster top end but the main issue I had was lack of time in the car ( was 3/4 days after collection and first time on track in it ) and the traffic . bookatrack rules stipulate "you must overtake with consent" so its difficult to take advantage of a lead once you come up to traffic. As you can see towards the end my times got much slower as my tyres went off , they had only been adjusted once .

fyi i drove in race mode with all driver aids turned off . I had at least 8 spins bye the way !

The La Ferrari driver was a true gent , kind , polite , down to earth and a very skilled pilot . I very much enjoyed our time together .

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Originally Posted by unotaz
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Doom,
Great driving, considering this was your first time at SPA! Since we don't have any footage inside the 918, can you tell us about the traction from the MPSC2 in the wet? In the LaF, it seems like it was struggling for grip in the slow corners, as the driver was constantly catching the backend from sliding!

Im sorry to disappoint you but it was not my first time at spa , It was the first time in the 918 on any track . I drove with all aids off and the tyres were pretty average if I'm honest , not bad but certainly not good in those conditions on track . fine for daily use in those conditions though . I can only say it was very cold and greasy but a great time was had by all .

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Originally Posted by schumacher12345
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Will you go back and do dry run?

That was impressive driving from both drivers.

How fast did the 918 get on kemmel straight?

Laf got to 290km/h according to the onboard video. Crazy considering it was damp.


I hit over 170 on kemmel and thats with a very slow into Eu Rouge . I fully expect the La Ferrari to hit higher speeds at that point though . Its top end is SAVAGE

I will only go to further trackdays in the 918 if there is something like a p1 or la ferrari there . otherwise its boring , they are too fast . you drive around at your own pace and can't interact with others . The other cars become mobile chicanes !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Murcielago_Boy
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Mate - how is it compared to your first love? The Carrera GT????
(and I don't mean performance of course, I mean involvement and feel and satisfaction?)

The undisputed winner of the La Ferrari , P1 and 918 is the Carrera GT !

Quote:
Originally Posted by hootan
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I am so glad to see Wtdoom received his 918, he is a true gentleman and a great driver!
It seems after only a couple of months from arriving of his gorgeous 918 Weissach it is show time! a real show time!!
Go WtDoom go!
We appreciate you very much!!

You are very kind , I hope one day I can repay you for your kind words . Thank you

Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Man
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Thank you Doom! This thread is about to get very exciting! I for one, and as a CGT owner, cannot wait to hear your impressions of these cars! Glad to have you here contributing!

Thank you too sir .

These cars are all absolutely astounding . We should revel in their creation and the 3 manufacturers involved need to be saluted . When a car can elate like these , the petty arguments we have ALL ( myself included ) been involved in become irrelevant .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mbn
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That is one amazing video and driving from both owners, with two amazing cars !

Can't go wrong with any.

Thanks for the video and as always drive safe.

Mbn

Couldn't agree more , can't go wrong with any . P1 included .

Quote:
Originally Posted by driftwithme
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If that is you congrats! Awesome driving.

The 918 is unbeatable out of the bends

The 918 was unbelievable out of corners , oh for a session with less traffic .
Id have loved an opportunity to try the braking system i was told about . Apparently the 918 can brake extremely hard into corners and shoot out the other end , something i couldn't do due to the wet braking zones . The la ferrari couldn't use its tremendous power in those conditions .
I think results will be track dependant .
 
Another one:


The 918 and la ferrari were very evenly matched . In short , which ones faster depends on the track . It was wet in places and a real challenge .Perhaps stupidly I drove with all driving aids switched off .The car is very very knife edged to drive like this . I span at least 8 times , I don't mean a wee slide here and there I mean full blown 360 and more . The torque and power is savage .
Then we went out together with the la ferrari . The 918 destroys it out of corners , I wasn't able to capitalise on this as I would soon get stuck in traffic allowing the LF to catch up again . I couldn't bully may way past either side like on an RMA day and a lot of the traffic was far too inconsistent to risk anything . The car is stable if driven with care and respect but does not suffer fools gladly ( in the freezing cold and wet on cups at least ...). I couldn't use full acceleration and the 918s biggest advantage ( HARD braking into the apex, to then be fired out by hotlap mode ) yet still managed to hold position. My tyres started to go off and Unfortunately I had an incident going into Eu rouge that put me well off . I braked hard and the car slid forward , 350 miles into the cars life and first ever trackday , I don't mind telling you it was a rush but it was scary and that bought things to an end. I believe the la ferrari is noticeably faster at the top end . 918 better into , around and out of corners . In the dry it would be very interesting . Unfortunately we didn't go out again . Id love to track it against a p1 , anyone know an owner ?

Then The Colonel arrived in the Carrera gt and in the pouring rain , I took out the carrera gt and immediately remembered what true love is . Yes they ( 918 , p1 , la ferrari) are so much faster , so much more comfortable and in the case of the 918 so better looking and better built but nothing compares to the fury of a Carrera GT . The car was so violent so sideways, the scream bought everyone to the pit wall and her antics on track had the marshals clapping( imagine that in the uk) . Its such a raw , violent , undiluted driving experience .

The real issue was that once the la ferrari went home I was all alone . Then the 918 was too fast , too capable , too exciting . The track became an obstacle course of mobile chicanes and a road car with 900 hp and over 1000torques , with no race suit , fire extinguisher , roll cage , tank bag and with road tyres and aero meant that for the first time in my life I though "if I crash now they will find bits of me in Bermuda". Its shatteringly fast . In short you can't interact with other cars in these new hypercars , they are so much faster than supercars that you drive around alone , at your own pace . The carrera gt has been caught up by cars and still represents a challenge .

The carrera GT did all the driving on day 2 against a gaggle of allegedly faster cars ( GT2/RS/12C/Cup cars, aston race cars ,radicals , ultimas, you name it) . Everyone that experienced its fury from the passenger seat was blown away , she is the love of my life , a challenge that rewards like no other , a katana in a world of fire arms , a more elegant way of doing violence . The Dragon howled round the racetrack with another yellow yellow Carrera GT , a truly life affirming experience . I will never forget the howling , it still rings hauntingly in my ears now days later .

In short for my purpose the 918 is the supreme hypercer . A superfast , really exiting road car that can tour , drag race and track day with the best of them . Yet the comfort is shocking , you can genuinely tour europe ( one tank from spa to home in the uk with 70 miles to go in the tank) , the phone , sat nav , sound system electric seats are unsurpassed . I can take the roof off . I imagine racing a classic at Spa and driving the 918 over in the sun with the roofs off , enjoying the back roads with Bach pouring like liquid gold from the Burmester sound system . HEAVEN ON EARTH . The supreme do it all car for Porsche lovers and a fitting addition to the Carrera GT , not a replacement an addition . Im sure the La ferarri and P1 are the same to their owners .

The Carrera GT is the lost Le mans Race Car , betrayed by rule changes and banished into the dark . A warrior without a war . An anachronism , able to exult and elate the devoted yet brutally , mercilessly , punish the unbeliever . It becomes part of you, she talks to you , threatens and whispers to you , urges you to acts of valour and rewards with elation and exultation almost beyond belief .

99 per cent of the time one would choose the 918 spyder , la ferrari or p1 over the Carrera GT but on that one drive , the no holds barred purely for fun , knife edged drive , when a stereo is an insult , Bach a heretic and comfort a thing undreamed of the Carrera GT shines . It howls at you and challenges you to take its key .
Its such a special machine that machine doesn't do it justice , I swear its a living sentient being with her own lusts and furies .

So for me the winner of the La Ferrari vs the 918 vs the P1 is the Carrera GT , some of the time .
 
MIRA, P1 on the slower, non-equivalent tyre option in the damp, lost by 1.1 with a different driver on a different day.
1:06.8 vs 1:05.7
P2 on official lap time board.


Spa, P1 went 10s faster than 918 and LaFerrari on a different day. 918 and LaFerrari ran in same conditions that P1 ran in in MIRA test, and different drivers, as per MIRA test. P1 on slower tyre option also, as per MIRA test.:rolleyes:
2:38 vs 2:48
P1 on offical lap time board.


Laguna Seca, P1 with brake issue beat 918 with acceleration issue by 0.26s.
1:30.71 vs 1:30.97. 1:28 predicted with correctly functioning brakes.
P2 on official lap time board.

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EMU/MYCROFT/LMFAO:

When you change the official published lap times (eg. Anglesey lap times), it's called cheating.

When you pull up lap time data on tracks where the 918 has never set a time (eg. Texas Speedway), it's pointless.

You can talk about the "what if's" all you want, but it won't change the actual results. When the flag drops, the BS stops. Deal with it.

Once again, for everyone's viewing pleasure, here are the official results from various tests:

Top Gear Review (Subjective):
1. LaFerrari (1st, 1st, 1st)
2. Porsche 918 (2nd, 2nd, 3rd)
3. Mclaren P1 (3rd, 3rd, 2nd)

Result: P3

Evo UK Review (Subjective)
1. 918
2. P1

Result: P2

Autocar UK Review (Subjective)
1. P1
2. 918

Result: P1

Nurburgring
918 - 6:57s (record holder for production car on road tires)
P1 - No time published

Result: P2

Anglesey (Evo)
918 1:12.4
P1 1:12.6

918 beat the P1 by 0.2s

Result: P2


On the same day, a customer LaF posted 1:12.1.
LaF beat the P1 by 0.5s (on the same Pirelli Corsa tires as P1)

Result: P2


P1 cried and cringed. Begged EVO to go back out again, but asked EVO not to invite Porsche back for the retest. P1 lapped 1.11.2 on Trofeo R.

Result: P1 (I will give this to you EMU as a freebie because I'm a nice guy)

MIRA (Autocar)
918 1:05.7
P1 1:06.8

918 beat the P1 by 1.1 sec.

Result: P2


Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
918 1:29.89
P1 1:30.71

918 beat the P1 by 0.82s

Result: P2

So much for the "P1" name huh....Because Mclaren?? :ROFLMAO:
 
EMU/MYCROFT/LMFAO:

When you change the official published lap times (eg. Anglesey lap times), it's called cheating.

When you pull up lap time data on tracks where the 918 has never set a time (eg. Texas Speedway), it's pointless.

You can talk about the "what if's" all you want, but it won't change the actual results. When the flag drops, the BS stops. Deal with it.

Once again, for everyone's viewing pleasure, here are the official results from various tests:

Top Gear Review (Subjective):
1. LaFerrari (1st, 1st, 1st)
2. Porsche 918 (2nd, 2nd, 3rd)
3. Mclaren P1 (3rd, 3rd, 2nd)

Result: P3

Evo UK Review (Subjective)
1. 918
2. P1

Result: P2

Autocar UK Review (Subjective)
1. P1
2. 918

Result: P1

Nurburgring
918 - 6:57s (record holder for production car on road tires)
P1 - No time published

Result: P2

Anglesey (Evo)
918 1:12.4
P1 1:12.6

918 beat the P1 by 0.2s

Result: P2


On the same day, a customer LaF posted 1:12.1.
LaF beat the P1 by 0.5s (on the same Pirelli Corsa tires as P1)

Result: P2


P1 cried and cringed. Begged EVO to go back out again, but asked EVO not to invite Porsche back for the retest. P1 lapped 1.11.2 on Trofeo R.

Result: P1 (I will give this to you EMU as a freebie because I'm a nice guy)

MIRA (Autocar)
918 1:05.7
P1 1:06.8

918 beat the P1 by 1.1 sec.

Result: P2


Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
918 1:29.89
P1 1:30.71

918 beat the P1 by 0.82s

Result: P2

So much for the "P1" name huh....Because Mclaren?? :ROFLMAO:
Here is the official P1 Anglesey Coastal lap in real time at ~12:00. If you can take a screen shot showing a time after 1:11.11, let us know.

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MIRA, P1 on the slower, non-equivalent tyre option in the damp, lost by 1.1 with a different driver on a different day.
1:06.8 vs 1:05.7
P2 on official lap time board.


Spa, P1 went 10s faster than 918 and LaFerrari on a different day. 918 and LaFerrari ran in same conditions that P1 ran in in MIRA test, and different drivers, as per MIRA test. P1 on slower tyre option also, as per MIRA test.:rolleyes:
2:38 vs 2:48
P1 on offical lap time board.


Laguna Seca, P1 with brake issue beat 918 with acceleration issue by 0.26s.
1:30.71 vs 1:30.97. 1:28 predicted with correctly functioning brakes.
P2 on official lap time board.


Anglesey, P1 on equal tyre to 918's 20% stickier Cup 2, won by 1.3s.
http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/u...264_e31d451be383311a75c5956745ae7cb6/web.html
1:11.11 vs 1:12.40
P1 on official lap time board.


P1 on standard Trofeo Rs beat an unconfirmed rumoured time of a LaFerrari on a bespoke tyre of unknown specification by 1s at Anglesey.
1:11.11 vs 1:11.40
P1 on official lap time board.

Texas Speedway 2.9 mile
1:45.83
P1 on official lap time board.

Kyalami
1:43

P1 on official lap time board.

COTA
2:20 (so far). 2:13-2:16 predicted.
P1 on official lap time board.


So the P1 has P1 on two GP tracks and on 2 of the 3 tracks that either the 918 or LaFerrari has been on, where the P1 has ran in the dry. Trofeo Rs are readily available on the market, stop the crying and try beat the times.

These are the facts, the P1 is in P1 on all but 1 track where it has ran in the dry. Other performance results show the braking to have been suspect on that one track. Top Gear test showed better braking performance even on less sticky tyres. P1 couldn't have beaten 918 by 1.3s at Anglesey with braking that bad. COTA and Spa videos show P1 not to jink around under braking like Mikel Miller Laguna video.


Subjective reviews - There's a reason The Stig isn't allowed to talk.

You can probably tell by some of the colours you've seen these cars in, that subjective opinions are to be taken with a large pinch of salt. :rolleyes:
 
True, the owner is the same of VMax dragrace
Sadly he's pulled out of the next Vmax at short notice. Maybe he got a phone call from the polite people of Maranello.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-33.html#post609458
 
Where is this official lap time board?
http://fastestlaps.com/raceways.html

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey_coastal.html

Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. McLaren P1 1:11.20 126 '13 916 / 1490 Jethro Bovington
2. Porsche 918 Spyder (Weissach-Package) 1:12.40 124 '13 887 / 1634 Jethro Bovingdon

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/spa_francorchamps.html

Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 2:16.00 185 0 455 / 650 (Dunlop Slicks)
2. Radical SR3 RS 2:25.00 174 0 213 / 570 (Dunlop Slicks)
3. McLaren P1 2:38.00 160 '13 916 / 1490 Chris Niarchos

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/uk/showroom/radical-sr8-rx.aspx

  • Dunlop purpose-designed slick tyres.
 

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