Comparison tests MT Ignition: Porsche 918 Vs McLaren P1

[Emu]

Dude you're being seriously disingenuous here. This post is off-topic:

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/mt-ignition-porsche-918-vs-mclaren-p1.53202/#post-741292

Also, the p1 has never really managed to meet its manufacturer's time of 0-180:16.5 since the only one I've seen is 0-180:18, unlike porsche who has managed most times of 0-180:17.5-18.5; so even on a long track, the p1 would still not be able to outrun the 918.

And when people come out with trash like that, you can't expect for nobody to correct them. It's a total bullshit post, especially when the lap data shows the 918 isn't even faster before it's front e-motor dies.... and that's with 91 octane fuel strangling the turbocharged P1 IC engine too.

 

[Emu]

For God's sake. Another dislike from Betty Swollocks. Apart from the fact he's used half a dozen personal insults against me and other members in the last month on the Jeremy Clarkson thread, is there really a reason as to why my 'dislike' ratings are removed and this guy's aren't?

We all have different opinions, but when people resort to outright personal insults, they should be banned, as per the forum rules.

 

[Monster]

and that's with 91 octane fuel strangling the turbocharged P1 IC engine too.

Porsche designed the car with the most hybrid assist than then the P1, and the 918 carries the weight penalty for the extra batteries. So the 918 isn't as affected by the lower grade petrol than the P1, that is just too bad.

 

[Emu]

Porsche designed the car with the most hybrid assist than then the P1, and the 918 carries the weight penalty for the extra batteries. So the 918 isn't as affected by the lower grade petrol than the P1, that is just too bad.

But it's completely atypical for hypercar owners to use 91 octane. This is an MT quirk and therefore skews results.

It's effectively the same rating as 95 RON. See many 911 Turbo drivers filling up on 95 RON? Only if they're really desperate and there's no other station around.

 

[Emu]

This has shed a lot of light on things:

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-38.html#post624274

"I think its already been stated the P1 lost time due to its ABS calibration. Maybe folks just aren't reading? When Randy pressed hard enough on the brakes to engage ABS, the braking distance *increased* and he missed his turn in point. McLaren are looking at the ABS data and possibly recalibrating it.

Ah right, thanks. I guess that would actually explain why the braking actually looks better than the 918 in many places but in others it doesn't. Sounds like engaging the ABS was basically like a trip back to the 1990s wrt ABS performance. Braking distance increased instead of reducing, all is clear. ABS not calibrated for Trofeo Rs, brake too hard get PZCS braking performance, brake softer get better performance but stop to soon, can't risk leaving it latter because of ABS and walls and stuff."

Basically the ABS is calibrated for PZCS tyres, so when he pressed hard enough to engage the ABS, it defaulted to maximum PZCS braking performance, which is worse than Cup 2s. When he didn't engage the ABS and braked lighter, the car stopped faster than the 918, but subsequently too early and he obviously didn't want to risk leaving it later only for the ABS to put him off the track.

1:28 here we come:

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-37.html#post622658

"Paul Mackenzie says McLaren are recalibrating the P1's traction control and possibly ABS systems. So an update should be coming for us owners."

 

[Monster]

How many times do I have to tell you, leave the speculation out of this thread until a new round of testing is done?

 

[Unotaz]

But it's completely atypical for hypercar owners to use 91 octane. This is an MT quirk and therefore skews results.

It's effectively the same rating as 95 RON. See many 911 Turbo drivers filling up on 95 RON? Only if they're really desperate and there's no other station around.

It's quite obvious that you haven't traveled much, considering your age and lack of intelligence.

In the great state of California, we only get 91 octane across the board. Laguna Seca is in California, that's why MotorTrend uses 91 Octane in all of their tests.

Once again, do your research before yapping your mouth off.

 

[Emu]

In the great state of California, we only get 91 octane across the board.

Can't be that great a state if you only get 91 octane. Sounds like it's full of hippies and vegans. MT should move to Texas.

 

[Sunny]

So now Emu also has to also calibrate the ABS for McLaren and refine fuel for California... the stuff one has to do to make P1 win!

 

[kingjr9000]

Dude you're being seriously disingenuous here. This post is off-topic:

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/mt-ignition-porsche-918-vs-mclaren-p1.53202/#post-741292



And when people come out with trash like that, you can't expect for nobody to correct them. It's a total bullshit post, especially when the lap data shows the 918 isn't even faster before it's front e-motor dies.... and that's with 91 octane fuel strangling the turbocharged P1 IC engine too.

I am genuinely curious how this post is O/T. Can someone explain to me? All I did was mention how most test have never managed the p1 to 180:16.5 and the 918 has actually been tested to match its manufacturer claim of 0-180:17-18. I actually posted this as a comment to pcvalkarie's post about the 918 being faster on just this circuit and short circuits in general.

 

[Giannis]

Many other off topic posts were deleted.

 

[kingjr9000]

Many other off topic posts were deleted.

Ok then.

 

[ajjers]

Great video by MotorTrend, Randy Pobst is such an enthisast.

Can we reopen the other thread now? I'm sure the conversation will be a lot more sensible.

 

[Yaz]

Yeah, who needs the Stig when we've got Randy? And he talks.

PS
F Ferrari.

 

[Rolf]

Really enjoyed this video, both cars are awesome and a thoroughly entertaining driver as well.

 

[lambornima]

If on a race track the P1 can't put its power down, then it sure as hell won't be able to in the real world where roads are dirty and bumpy. Looks like the 918 is doing more with less. Its almost lile the P1 was made to be running slicks.

 

[330CIZHP]

If on a race track the P1 can't put its power down, then it sure as hell won't be able to in the real world where roads are dirty and bumpy. Looks like the 918 is doing more with less. Its almost lile the P1 was made to be running slicks.

Of course, a 900+ HP car driving through only 2 wheels NEEDS to be on the stickiest tires known to man. That is what McLaren seems to be doing with the Trofeo Rs.

 

[marley71]

I remember commenting that Porsche should turbocharge and 4wd the Cayman on this forum, only to be met with a resounding chorus of "Booo!"... The McClaren is a gem of a car company, but 4wd, as Audi proved ages ago, has its advantages. Of course it has its disadvantages as well. Brilliant cars, absolutely brilliant.

 

[Sunny]

How many times do I have to tell you, leave the speculation out of this thread until a new round of testing is done?

The funny thing is, even if it is not speculation, he offers it as an excuse! As if it is someone else's fault that McLaren made a car with faulty ABS calibration. If anything, it shows the lap times with Trofeos should be discounted cause the car is clearly not designed to work with them.

I remember commenting that Porsche should turbocharge and 4wd the Cayman on this forum, only to be met with a resounding chorus of "Booo!"... The McClaren is a gem of a car company, but 4wd, as Audi proved ages ago, has its advantages. Of course it has its disadvantages as well. Brilliant cars, absolutely brilliant.

As a proud member of the said chorus, I have to say there is hardly any equivalence here. The most powerful Cayman at that time you made the comment made ~345HP and ~270lbft of torque (even now the most powerful one makes 385HP and 310 lbft or torque). A far cry from the ~900HP and ~700 lbft behemoths here.

Most criticism of the Caymans have been around how much over-chassised and over-rubbered the car is and how it could handle way more power. Besides smaller 0-60 times and maybe better all weather ability (neither of which I care for), AWD has nothing to offer the Cayman chassis than probably making it less fun.... IMHO of course.

 

[Observer1]

What I found most revealing in the MT comparo was to see & hear Randy Pobst marvel at the steering's feedback of the 918, actually, the entire car's handling and describing it as a "surgeon's scalpel" with all electronic aids turned off (!!!). What a verdict from an experienced professional race driver such as Randy and this, not the lap times, made the comparison so worthwhile.