Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

[lbonu1967]

Tower? You talking about the Bedford lap on PZeros again.

Face it. The 12C and 650S are above the 458 on the leaderboard for more tracks then they are behind. That's just plain fact. So all your blah, blah, LSD, is just the same as we've heard from the UK magazines who set some of the worse 12C/650S lap times. They don't like the lack of LSD because they can't drift the car as well. Meanwhile, over in the US, the 12C and 650S have stamped a gaping wide hole in the ass of the 458 that it needed surgery to fix, hence the 488.

First, Tower is a corner of Castle Combe

Second you are really hopeless. I wonder, reading above, who << have stamped a gaping wide hole in the ass >> as you have written in a very english way.
The 458 has 60 hp less and 60 kg more and on Max summer tires

Road & track issue August 2012
The Fax machine is out of production

 

[lbonu1967]

PZCS isn't better than Trofeo R, the P1's Trofeo R time is 1s better than the LaFerrari and the LaF can't use Trofeo R because there are none in its size (305 maximum), too bad. Now you know why the P1 uses less rubber.

Totally uncorrect.
From the half of 2014, Pirelli produces The Trofeo R with sizes and Load index according LaFe specs.

 

[Monster]

Meanwhile, over in the US, the 12C and 650S have stamped a gaping wide hole in the ass of the 458 that it needed surgery to fix

These type of schoolyard talk has no place on this forum, one more of this will get you banned.

 

[ajjers]

That isn't what people who've drove both have said. The seat is more comfortable but not the suspension. The P1's road manners have been praised as exceptional by Jay Leno and MT. You don't incline a driving seat that much and lower roof height if you intend to build a car that won't perform on track. Not having a lowering suspension was simply an oversight on their behalf. The P1 also has a raising system, to raise the car 30mm for kerbs.


It's more a case of power delivery linearity. There comes a point with FI where boost will spike.


Look at the MT data instead of just the punchline. Take out the braking phases and the P1 won by nearly a second. You just don't like my theory because it's the only one that actually holds up. If the P1 is that bad under braking, then it must really have raped the 918 and LaFerrari on every other aspect of Anglesey and for some reason magically been poor on Laguna. There's physically no way it could be that bad under braking and still win by 1s at Anglesey.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...015_porsche_918_spyder/track_performance.html

This is just where you just stop being semi reasonable and go into full denial mode. Of course the Laferrari has the softer suspension. This has been mentioned in every comparison test and by the owners. I'll quote Treynor

"The P1 is the track car of the two. Inside it's much louder, the suspension is stiffer, the seats are tight and designed to hold the driver in place. The steering settles into mild push at the limit and the back end stays glued unless you get sloppy with the throttle; the brakes have zero slop in them, and the chassis clearly could handle far more grip than any street tire can offer. The 6-point belts which come with the P1 feel more suited to it than the regular street belts. The motor has only a hint of turbo lag, and basically none on the street where you're never using full power until 3rd gear. Gimme the key, gimme my helmet, spoon on some slicks, this is the car I'd choose for a track day. Those of you have already driven one, know what I mean.

The LF is the most delightful surprise I've had quite a while. I expected a car like the 599GTO -- powerful, loud, a bit crude, all muscle and big tires and a thrill ride to get into. What actually showed up is an incredibly refined and pleasant supercar. The LF is markedly quieter and more comfortable than even a 458 Speciale, much smoother suspension, spacious seats and interior, beautiful ergonomics, a car I wouldn't think twice about driving 500 miles at a sitting. It seems to have basically infinite torque coupled with perfect throttle response, and the sounds which come through the firewall or out the tailpipes are music no matter which car brand you love. The LF is the car I'd lose my license in if I drove it regularly - I look down and I'm doing double the speed limit and the LF is just loafing along. Both Christine and I found ourselves entering corners far more quickly than we had intended -- and then, thank goodness it's really a supercar under the veneer of civility! G forces build quite quickly when you turn the wheel, and the front communicates beautifully while the rear stays planted as long as you stay out of the throttle while midcorner. The brakes are strong and progressive but have a bit of initial 'squish' as the hybrid system harvests velocity. The throttle is a marvel, dialing in power like a rheostat until the rear tires say enough. And the engine... music and power. It's perfect."

So it is beyond any doubt that the P1 is geared towards a track and the Laferrari more for the road and this is manifest in the suspension. Any attempts to argue otherwise are beyond disingenuous.

Why are you conflating the 918 vs P1 results with the P1 vs Laferrari results? Against the 918, the P1 loses time in the corners and out accelerates it on the straights. There is NO evidence at all that this is what happened against the Laferrari. All we know is that on like for like tyres (used ones on the Laferrari) the P1 was 0.5s slower at Anglesey, albeit on different days. What caused this time difference is as yet unknown.

 

[Emu]

The MPSC2 is lower-rolling resistance tire using stiffer build constructions and hard rubber compounds to achieve low rolling resistance and fuel savings.

There is an inverse relationship between low rolling resistance and wet grip performance that even the highest tire techonolgy could only mitigate.




No I'm correct. It's you that are just living in denial.


Fax Machine Pzero 1:30,06 (+1.76s)

Fax Machine PZCS : 1:29,24 (+0,94s)

458 : 1:28,30




Totally spanked. Another evidence you are a cheater.




That's explain my knowledge. You actually know how to be banned.




120 Kg of heavy options.

I will ask Treynor if he ordered a P1 with lead rims.

That's the n°1 BS from your side.



Article is correct,Trofeo R are reportedin Jason hart you tube video.

In the video no more than 1,36g except that fast banked turn.

All said.






Ah really ? And why the 650s lapped faster than a 458 in Vairano or with same lap time in Mira ?

Pirelli TROFEO R target are owners that are doing trackdays, Genius.

That's why showing how much is faster than a MPSC2. The PZCS is an OE tires and have two times more homologation than MPSC2. Ridicolous post




You quote people at your convenience. Everyone can read your garbage andyour boundless ability to assert false.See Above

So how come a 650S Spider made the same time as a 458S on Cup 2 on Autocar Dry Handling and then laid waste to it on the Wet Handling Track?


http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_speciale-vs-mclaren_650s_spider.html



Wrong. But guess what it lost by less than a second at Rockingham even with the shitty PZeros.



That would explain your bias, both for Pirelli and Ferrari - Italian fan boy.



Same excuses you used at Anglesey Coastal, except legitimate in this case.



Dry weight minus all heavy options.



Article is incorrect. And the banking is way less than the Karussell.



Sure it does. Apparently Ferrari did 1600-1360kg = 240kg and added that to the downforce figures for the LaFerrari.



And Cup 2 replaces the old already very sticky Cup.



Rubbish. Never seen any car on PZCS beat a car in the same class on Cup 2s. Why didn't Pirelli take them to their little tyre test with Chris Harris? Because they'd have lost.



Faster than PZCS time only and yes, that's only a rumour, so it may never have happened, much like 9.6s@157mph and 1360kg LOL.



Except both Apolo1 and I say you're talking garbage.


Oh look Rockingham. 458 gets highest speed on the straight. Like that'll ever happen. That didn't even happen at Bedford West on a shorter track on the super crappy PZeros. Either a tweaked 458 or a sandbagging driver. Oh but McLaren cheated for not wanting a PZero vs MPSS comparison, whereas Ferrari just came with impossibly faster straight line speed? Yeah, they switched to PZCS because PZeros are absolute dogshit that have no place on any performance car and can't possibly compete with PZCS.


Texas Speedway. Big deal, it still pulled a higher g than the 918 on the Karussell, despite the banking being about 10deg as opposed to the 30+deg on the Karussell. Deal with it.


Very shortly the P1 will come back with fixed ABS and unf**k the Laguna time too and then you'll be able to take your head back out of your butt and see reality, just as it was presented at Anglesey.



Facts are this:


http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/mclaren_mp4-12c_my2013-vs-ferrari_458_italia.html


The verdict

McLaren MP4-12C is noticeably faster.


http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_458_italia-vs-mclaren_mp4-12c.html


The verdict

McLaren MP4-12C is noticeably faster.


I rest my case.

 

[Emu]

First, Tower is a corner of Castle Combe

Second you are really hopeless. I wonder, reading above, who << have stamped a gaping wide hole in the ass >> as you have written in a very english way.
The 458 has 60 hp less and 60 kg more and on Max summer tires

Road & track issue August 2012
The Fax machine is out of production

458 replaced with 488.

Oh wow Castle Combe, now you're really stooping to the kindergarten tracks. Next up, indoor go-kart tracks. Cup 2 against PZCS again too.

Oh dear

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/mclaren_650_s-vs-ferrari_458_italia.html

The verdict
McLaren 650 S is noticeably faster.

 

[Emu]

Totally uncorrect.
From the half of 2014, Pirelli produces The Trofeo R with sizes and Load index according LaFe specs.

Oh how convenient that they didn't make a 315.

 

[Emu]

Lol again, but do you have tracked your car just one time in your life ?

Any car of the world have a setup that is a compromise on track and on the road

The 650S lack of an LSD and has much power and torque to manage than a 458S and with the same tire size. That means the F/R roll stiffness setup (the 650S has no rollbars but dual chamber shock tenneco system) is built to permit load transfer to the rear to increase motricity.

In Quarry and tower turns the setup and brake steer are not enough. You get understeer even under acceleration (more torque transfer is needed on the outer wheel) insisting under power, the inner wheel loose grip

Porsche have been more clever. The PVT system is similar but it works with a Mechanical Locked Differential.

Seems to me you are a kid just stucked talking about tires.

There's a technique to it, ask Jason Hart. Randy Pobst didn't seem to have any problems at Big Willow, even with Direzionale on the fronts messing things up. Made a pretty stunning time, faster than a Viper ACR, that has 1000lbs of downforce at 150mph, all on 91 octane.


Seems to me you're just an irrational fan of everything Italian from tyres to cars.


Tower? You talking about the Bedford lap on PZeros again.


Face it. The 12C and 650S are above the 458 on the leaderboard for more tracks then they are behind. That's just plain fact. So all your blah, blah, LSD, is just the same as we've heard from the UK magazines who set some of the worse 12C/650S lap times. They don't like the lack of LSD because they can't drift the car as well. Meanwhile, over in the US, the 12C and 650S have stamped on the 458 that it needed major surgery to recover, hence the 488. We will always stick to NA engines -> Forced induction in 3..2..1...

 

[Emu]

Frankly I don't care about your answer.
The point is that people is tired of your blatant misrepresentation of facts.
It's not just me.
So please join finally the car enthusiast circle without being one-way biased
You will be welcome

Like you aren't biased? Seriously? We've seen your posts on FShat about the 5 McLaren mechanics that attended Laguna and the dozen sets of tyres they used. Go back there, you'll be welcome.

Pobst mentioned a hiccup on the main straight at 140mph, that doesn't explain every other straight. Meanwhile people like you immediately write-off the braking disparity as 'bad brakes' without a realistic examination of Laguna performance vs Anglesey performance.

 

[Emu]

This is just where you just stop being semi reasonable and go into full denial mode. Of course the Laferrari has the softer suspension. This has been mentioned in every comparison test and by the owners. I'll quote Treynor

"The P1 is the track car of the two. Inside it's much louder, the suspension is stiffer, the seats are tight and designed to hold the driver in place. The steering settles into mild push at the limit and the back end stays glued unless you get sloppy with the throttle; the brakes have zero slop in them, and the chassis clearly could handle far more grip than any street tire can offer. The 6-point belts which come with the P1 feel more suited to it than the regular street belts. The motor has only a hint of turbo lag, and basically none on the street where you're never using full power until 3rd gear. Gimme the key, gimme my helmet, spoon on some slicks, this is the car I'd choose for a track day. Those of you have already driven one, know what I mean.

Well then you also have to appreciate that he would use the faster car for a track day. Nobody wants a slower car on a track day. So many track day enthusiasts all driving McLarens and relatively very few in Ferraris. Notice how you omit comments people have made regarding the 918's suspension wrt comfort. Very selective.

The LF is the most delightful surprise I've had quite a while. I expected a car like the 599GTO -- powerful, loud, a bit crude, all muscle and big tires and a thrill ride to get into. What actually showed up is an incredibly refined and pleasant supercar. The LF is markedly quieter and more comfortable than even a 458 Speciale, much

smoother suspension, spacious seats and interior, beautiful ergonomics, a car I wouldn't think twice about driving 500 miles at a sitting. It seems to have basically infinite torque coupled with perfect throttle response, and the sounds which come through the firewall or out the tailpipes are music no matter which car brand you love. The LF is the car I'd lose my license in if I drove it regularly - I look down and I'm doing double the speed limit and the LF is just loafing along. Both Christine and I found ourselves entering corners far more quickly than we had intended -- and then, thank goodness it's really a supercar under the veneer of civility! G forces build quite quickly when you turn the wheel, and the front communicates beautifully while the rear stays planted as long as you stay out of the throttle while midcorner. The brakes are strong and progressive but have a bit of initial 'squish' as the hybrid system harvests velocity. The throttle is a marvel, dialing in power like a rheostat until the rear tires say enough. And the engine... music and power. It's perfect."

I'll just filter that for you - "Really a supercar under that veneer of civility.... brakes... initial 'squish'"

If Ferrari are so unfussed about track performance, why have they refused every test.

So it is beyond any doubt that the P1 is geared towards a track and the Laferrari more for the road and this is manifest in the suspension. Any attempts to argue otherwise are beyond disingenuous.

No it isn't. Every mid-engined Ferrari has always been designed for track performance. If this was an FR Ferrari then I might agree with you. Just because they made the odd nod to civility doesn't change that. It could also be argued that the 265/345 section tyres are more prone to tramlining than 245/315 section rubber. Lot of rubber for 'just a road car' don't you think? Surely if the P1 was track-focused only, it would have much wider tyres - more grip? Surely it would also have an NA engine for more linear power delivery? Surely it wouldn't have a suspension lift system for kerbs (extra weight)?

Why are you conflating the 918 vs P1 results with the P1 vs Laferrari results? Against the 918, the P1 loses time in the corners and out accelerates it on the straights. There is NO evidence at all that this is what happened against the Laferrari. All we know is that on like for like tyres (used ones on the Laferrari) the P1 was 0.5s slower at Anglesey, albeit on different days. What caused this time difference is as yet unknown.

The P1 did not lose in the corners at Laguna. It lost on the brakes and under traction out of the low speed corners, the mid-corner performance was broadly similar. Unless the LaFerrari's brakes are equally bad, then that must mean the P1 has phenomenal speed everywhere else. Trying to brush aside the dire Laguna braking performance is highly disingenuous on your part. The graphical evidence is right there. The only problem is that Evo like delivering BS soundbites instead of hard data, otherwise we could do a direct comparison with the MT data and resolve this issue.

So to summarise your misconceptions:

Ferrari fit nearly (EDITed because not as wide as those on 2 ton Veyron) the widest tyres known to man, a 6.3L V12 and an e-motor, they tune the ICE for top end performance, and spent a lot of energy lowering the CoG through inclined seats and removal of seat rails, not to mention 360kg of downforce at 124mph, they also bullshat the weight and acceleration figures and refuse testing but they're not bothered about track performance.

Meanwhile Porsche adopt AWD, employ very slick Cup 2 tyres and develop a Weissach Package solely aimed at track performance but not intended for track performance. Then they set a sub-7 minute 'ring time but not trying to be fast on track.

Basically you hate McLaren purely because they were open about their aims and for no other good reason.

https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/drives-and-rides/laferrari-ferrari-mclaren-p1-porsche-918#tYwX4byrricTpvQe.97

The LaF straddles the gap between the 918 and the P1 – it is more obviously a car for use on the road (despite being way, way too fast for any situation – but then they all are really), but it will also blow your mind on the track. It didn’t stop quite as well as the McLaren

Interesting given the Laguna situation hey?

 

[Unotaz]

Ferrari fit the widest tyres known to man...

Do your research EMU, LaFerari does NOT have the widest tires. My Aventador has 355 in the back and a Veyron has 365 in the back.

Do your research!

 

[Emu]

Do your research EMU, LaFerari does NOT have the widest tires. My Aventador has 355 in the back and a Veyron has 365 in the back.

Do your research!

Oh okay, nearly the widest tyres known to man. 30mm wider than P1, 20mm wider than 918. I think you're missing the overall point. All of these cars were designed for on track performance, whilst posing as a road car.

 

[Unotaz]

Oh okay, nearly the widest tyres known to man. 30mm wider than P1, 20mm wider than 918. I think you're missing the overall point. All of these cars were designed for on track performance, whilst posing as a road car.

You mean just like how the P3 was "nearly" as fast as the 918 at Laguna Seca?

Get your facts straight and do your research properly before posting garbage on various forums.

 

[Emu]

You mean just like how the P3 was "nearly" as fast as the 918 at Laguna Seca?

Get your facts straight and do your research properly before posting garbage on various forums.

I think you missed the overall point only to pick up on a technicality. All these cars were designed to be fastest on track but because one party made that fact more open, roll in the hate.

P3? Well McLaren are still reviewing that telemetry. Myself, I don't think it balances with Anglesey, where the 918 was definitely P3 behind the LaFerrari and P1.

Furthermore in relation to tyres, this is a great post under Harris's video.

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Connor M. 1 month ago
+MRNU979 Funny you mention that as I've actually saved a picture of the Z07"s rear tires as a laugh on my phone. It looks NOTHING like a Cup 2 whatsoever because of that expansive slick-like gap between the outer and inner tread pattern of the tire, not to mention it runs a far lower tread depth. Shown it to other fellow car nuts and they thought it was worn out!

The larger Cup 2s are nothing like the smaller Cup 2s. Whereas the tread width grows in proportion to the tyre on Trofeos, on Cup 2s the tread width stays the same and the slick portion grows, giving Cup 2s over 305 section a massive slick patch, making them fundamentally different to smaller Cup 2s in nature. Hence why the C7 Z06 just caned a GT3 on braking and lateral g.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/corvette-z06-vs-porsche-gt3-c-d.53116/

 

[ajjers]

Well then you also have to appreciate that he would use the faster car for a track day. Nobody wants a slower car on a track day. So many track day enthusiasts all driving McLarens and relatively very few in Ferraris.


I'll just filter that for you - "Really a supercar under that veneer of civility.... brakes... initial 'squish'"

If Ferrari are so unfussed about track performance, why have they refused every test.


No it isn't. Every mid-engined Ferrari has always been designed for track performance. If this was an FR Ferrari then I might agree with you. Just because they made the odd nod to civility doesn't change that. It could also be argued that the 265/345 section tyres are more prone to tramlining than 245/315 section rubber. Lot of rubber for 'just a road car' don't you think? Surely if the P1 was track-focused only, it would have much wider tyres - more grip? Surely it would also have an NA engine for more linear power delivery? Surely it wouldn't have a suspension lift system for kerbs (extra weight)?


The P1 did not lose in the corners at Laguna. It lost on the brakes and under traction out of the low speed corners, the mid-corner performance was broadly similar. Unless the LaFerrari's brakes are equally bad, then that must mean the P1 has phenomenal speed everywhere else. Trying to brush aside the dire Laguna braking performance is highly disingenuous on your part. The graphical evidence is right there. The only problem is that Evo like delivering BS soundbites instead of hard data, otherwise we could do a direct comparison with the MT data and resolve this issue.

So to summarise your misconceptions:

Ferrari fit nearly (EDITed because not as wide as those on 2 ton Veyron) the widest tyres known to man, a 6.3L V12 and an e-motor, they tune the ICE for top end performance, and spent a lot of energy lowering the CoG through inclined seats and removal of seat rails, not to mention 360kg of downforce at 124mph, they also bullshat the weight and acceleration figures and refuse testing but they're not bothered about track performance.

Meanwhile Porsche adopt AWD, employ very slick Cup 2 tyres and develop a Weissach Package solely aimed at track performance but not intended for track performance. Then they set a sub-7 minute 'ring time but not trying to be fast on track.

Basically you hate McLaren purely because they were open about their aims and for no other good reason.

When he wrote that post Treynor didn't know which car is faster on track but it is clear to anyone that he is saying the P1 is set up more like a track car and the Laferrari is set up for the road. As for which is actually faster, time will tell I suppose. The P1 should be faster because of its downforce and stiffer suspension but so far, the limited evidence suggests that it isn't. Hopefully Treynor will take them both down to LS, chuck some Trofeo's on the Laferrari and we'll see what's what.

I don't hate Mclaren at all, they're the best thing to happen to the supercar sector in my memory. I'm just not a fan of the way you misrepresent everything in order to paint them in what you think is a favourable light. It reeks of desperation.

 

[Emu]

When he wrote that post Treynor didn't know which car is faster on track but it is clear to anyone that he is saying the P1 is set up more like a track car and the Laferrari is set up for the road. As for which is actually faster, time will tell I suppose. The P1 should be faster because of its downforce and stiffer suspension but so far, the limited evidence suggests that it isn't. Hopefully Treynor will take them both down to LS, chuck some Trofeo's on the Laferrari and we'll see what's what.

I don't hate Mclaren at all, they're the best thing to happen to the supercar sector in my memory. I'm just not a fan of the way you misrepresent everything in order to paint them in what you think is a favourable light. It reeks of desperation.

Ferrari claims the same downforce and a lower weight. It should also be noted that K1 tyres in the past have generally have narrower tread in certain areas. Very limited evidence on a different day on a short track.

The great think about the P1 is that I can go on YouTube and see a customer beating the road legal (US and EU) production car lap record on Spa with a passenger through traffic without trying too hard. I can also see them doing the same on COTA and Texas Speedway. The 918 and LaF don't seem to have an equivalent enthusiast base.

I take similar issue with the way your kind always hark back to Ron's advertisement speech as an excuse for hate, as if the other manufacturers were trying to build slower cars.

Furthermore, as more evidence comes in about larger section Cup 2s, all is not how Chris Harris portrayed it. Manual Z06 on Cup 2s beats Huracan on Trofeo Rs at Big Willow, despite much slower straight line speed, and outbrakes and out-corners a GT3.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/corvette-z06-vs-porsche-gt3-c-d.53116/#post-739363

 

[ajjers]

Ferrari claims the same downforce and a lower weight. It should also be noted that K1 tyres in the past have generally have narrower tread in certain areas. Very limited evidence on a different day on a short track.

The great think about the P1 is that I can go on YouTube and see a customer beating the road legal (US and EU) production car lap record on Spa with a passenger through traffic without trying too hard. I can also see them doing the same on COTA and Texas Speedway. The 918 and LaF don't seem to have an equivalent enthusiast base.

I take similar issue with the way your kind always hark back to Ron's advertisement speech as an excuse for hate, as if the other manufacturers were trying to build slower cars.

Furthermore, as more evidence comes in about larger section Cup 2s, all is not how Chris Harris portrayed it. Manual Z06 on Cup 2s beats Huracan on Trofeo Rs at Big Willow, despite much slower straight line speed, and outbrakes and out-corners a GT3.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/corvette-z06-vs-porsche-gt3-c-d.53116/#post-739363

Ron (and plenty of the others at Mclaren) made some big claims for the P1 that they shouldn't have made and have to various degrees been proved wrong. However that is in the past and we should move on. The problem however has been the claims made by over zealous fans. Initially it was the likes of Peleton25 and Mark Antar hinting at Nurburgring times of 6.3x etc and generally rubbishing the efforts of the opposition. Thankfully they've since stopped posting that sort of nonsense. Instead we are left with you posting irrelevant, misleading guesses and passing them off as facts.

Most Mclaren fans/owners are pretty reasonable guys and it's great to see them use their cars as intended. Unsurprisingly plenty of these same fans/owners find your posts an embarrassment. And because you're so disingenuous everyone enjoys a good laugh when some data comes out proving another one of your nonsensical assertions wrong. The fact that you won't even accept that the P1 has a firmer suspension than the Laferrari despite everyone who has driven both saying so is just another example of how unreasonable you are. But by all means carry on, it is very entertaining, especially when some data comes along to destroy whatever theory you're currently pushing.

Speaking of which, this is the size of the slick patch on a Trofeo (fitted to a 458s). Looks pretty big to me!

 

[lbonu1967]

458 replaced with 488.
Oh wow Castle Combe, now you're really stooping to the kindergarten tracks. Next up, indoor go-kart tracks. Cup 2 against PZCS again too.

You're living in box with a PC and a Modem and I wonder how you can argue about tracks.
Ouch now I understand, Actually You get playstation too.
458 S spanked your 650S an that's the actually line up.
Bored about your tire argument.
Customers LaFe with MPZCS and no support spanked by half a second your beloved P1 with PZCS.

Time for tires excuses is expired
Time for tweaked press car is expired

P3, because McLaren
I know that also the F1 car 's nickname is Q3 because it is the only qualification session is actually able to attempt.

Oh how convenient that they didn't make a 315.

Why ?
You posted that <<the McLaren are duty bound to use Pirellis because of F1 contracts>>
Lol. They are duty bound and Pirelli doesn't produce for Mclaren in correct size and load ?

Because it's McLaren ?

Like you aren't biased? Seriously? We've seen your posts on FShat about the 5 McLaren mechanics that attended Laguna and the dozen sets of tyres they used. Go back there, you'll be welcome.

Never post anything about 5 McLaren mechanics in FChat neither in GCF
This is full list of my post in FChat
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/search.php?searchid=8695979
Check your facts before to write.
I'm waiting you rectify.

A VEB Sachsenring Automobilwerke Zwickau Trabant of the 50's is, by far, more reliable than you

 

[Emu]

Ron (and plenty of the others at Mclaren) made some big claims for the P1 that they shouldn't have made and have to various degrees been proved wrong. However that is in the past and we should move on. The problem however has been the claims made by over zealous fans. Initially it was the likes of Peleton25 and Mark Antar hinting at Nurburgring times of 6.3x etc and generally rubbishing the efforts of the opposition. Thankfully they've since stopped posting that sort of nonsense. Instead we are left with you posting irrelevant, misleading guesses and passing them off as facts.

They stated aspirations and some things they said were confused. When Ron said he beat the 'Star in a Reasonably Priced Car' time by 10s, certain people assumed he was talking about the outright TG lap record, making the P1 as fast as an F1 car, whilst being driven by a fairly mediocre amateur driver. Those people were just stupid. There's nothing else to infer from that matter. If Ron had said he'd been up the runway faster than anything else, those same dummies would probably have thought that made the P1 faster than a Eurofighter. We have no idea how fast it is on the 'ring. The fact remains that it was much faster than the 918 at Anglesey on equivalent tyres and the 'ring will only yield a bigger advantage. It's frankly so fast in triple-digit speeds that it's dangerous. The braking performance at Laguna remains an oddity to the analytical mind.

As regards the LaF Anglesey time, I entered it on fastestlaps referencing the availbale evidence, but it was rejected as a rumour.

Most Mclaren fans/owners are pretty reasonable guys and it's great to see them use their cars as intended. Unsurprisingly plenty of these same fans/owners find your posts an embarrassment. And because you're so disingenuous everyone enjoys a good laugh when some data comes out proving another one of your nonsensical assertions wrong. The fact that you won't even accept that the P1 has a firmer suspension than the Laferrari despite everyone who has driven both saying so is just another example of how unreasonable you are. But by all means carry on, it is very entertaining, especially when some data comes along to destroy whatever theory you're currently pushing.

Speaking of which, this is the size of the slick patch on a Trofeo (fitted to a 458s). Looks pretty big to me!

All I know is that many testers have commented how well the McLarens absorb bumps on the road. Maybe the LaFerrari does it better but both are very good at it. The 918 less so.

Try posting a picture of a non-worn Trofeo. This is disingenuity at play again.

Brand new Z06 Cup 2. If this tyre were a person, kids would slap them on the head and sing, "Jack-Jack you baldy."
http://www.web-cars.com/images/vette_img/2015-Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-tire-2_a dot jpg

Brand new 458 tyre.
http://www.mycarportal.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Pirelli_PZero_trofeo_race_ferrari_458_italia dot jpg

991 Cup 2s, "Auto Stock" (see video info.) - 2:01.52 on Monza through traffic (2:38 - 4:39, VBox at start). 1s difference on the fastest of the fast tracks (no traffic on 458S lap), automatic mode, plus bit of traffic. Chris Harris tyre test, 4s difference on Portimao Cup 2 vs Cup 2???? Something not quite right there is there? 1:59 with Trofeo Rs, or just bullshit??

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Trollcasting. Trollololololololo-heheheheheh! (Same driver.)

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You're living in box with a PC and a Modem and I wonder how you can argue about tracks.
Ouch now I understand, Actually You get playstation too.
458 S spanked your 650S an that's the actually line up.
Bored about your tire argument.
Customers LaFe with MPZCS and no support spanked by half a second your beloved P1 with PZCS.

Time for tires excuses is expired
Time for tweaked press car is expired

Historically K1s have had narrow tread. NA power delivery vs FI power delivery, slow, technical corners. Different day, different conditions, marginal difference.

P3, because McLaren
I know that also the F1 car 's nickname is Q3 because it is the only qualification session is actually able to attempt.

F1 is a Merry-go-round. Things change round every 5-10 years. Suddenly Merc are dominant, Red Bull suddenly nowhere. Unlike you I understand the technical reasons why and the rules that now prevent large technical changes on the cars year-to-year.

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Why ?
You posted that <<the McLaren are duty bound to use Pirellis because of F1 contracts>>
Lol. They are duty bound and Pirelli doesn't produce for Mclaren in correct size and load ?

Because it's McLaren ?

Don't know but clearly they aren't available in 245/315 yet. Meanwhile lots of evidence the larger MPSC2s are equivalent to Trofeo Rs. Z06 on 285/335 Cup 2s beats Huracan on Trofeo Rs at Big Willow by 0.2s and out-brakes and out corners a GT3 on smaller Cup 2s. Straight line speed of Z06 is horrible, yet still faster on track. Only 1.5s down of 918 at Big Willow, with a manual gearbox, FR configuration, and this horrible straight line speed, same driver.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1503_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_track_retest/
http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/corvette-z06-vs-porsche-gt3-c-d.53116/#post-739363

Never post anything about 5 McLaren mechanics in FChat neither in GCF
This is full list of my post in FChat
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/search.php?searchid=8695979
Check your facts before to write.
I'm waiting you rectify.

A VEB Sachsenring Automobilwerke Zwickau Trabant of the 50's is, by far, more reliable than you

I can't check the facts because I was banned for correcting the people who said there were 5 mechanics. So until I can I'll happily lump you in with them because your attitude and previous posts align perfectly with that mentality.

Let's not talk about reliability given that your fastestlaps avatar clearly depicts a family member of the FIAT collective.