5 Series (G60) [Official] The New BMW 5 Series (G60)

[Design FIRST]

@Caradisiac

Yep, the widened track and flared fenders work wonders.

 

[Rolf]

Yup. it is actually 530d, but they put higher number, even on 740d.

530d 286hp -> 303hp
540d 340hp -> 380hp

But, they drop 380hp models, and x30 simply named x40.

The new 540d actually has a power output of 210kw but when adding the 13kw electric motor (for boost) BMW somehow has made the total 223kw (303PS), which not sure is correct as Mercedes has been using the electric motor assistance for its mild hybrid powertrains for quite a few years now and never added the figures for the power of engine and electric motor together. The E450d has 270kw (367PS) engine and 17kw (23PS) electric boost so will its total power be 287kw (390PS)?

 

[Matski]

The new 540d actually has a power output of 210kw but when adding the 13kw electric motor (for boost) BMW somehow has made the total 223kw (303PS), which not sure is correct as Mercedes has been using the electric motor assistance for its mild hybrid powertrains for quite a few years now and never added the figures for the power of engine and electric motor together. The E450d has 270kw (367PS) engine and 17kw (23PS) electric boost so will its total power be 287kw (390PS)?

I don't know the specifics of either without trying to look it up, but the assumption that each motor will be delivering peak power at the same time may not be correct... they may, they may not - you can't therefore assume total peak power is simply the sum of the two.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I don't know the specifics of either without trying to look it up, but the assumption that each motor will be delivering peak power at the same time may not be correct... they may, they may not - you can't therefore assume total peak power is simply the sum of the two.

Its kinda disappointing that the 540d only outputs 300hp combined in general though. Especially when the 540i is 375.

 

[Matski]

Especially when the 540i is 375.

That misses the point of peoples affection for diesel, does it not? The 540d has a lot more torque, and you don't have to rev to 5000rpm+ to get to it. It's a more relaxed way of extracting the performance. Whether or not it should have better numbers compared to the E450d will no doubt be highlighted by real world testing of 50-70 acceleration etc.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

That misses the point of peoples affection for diesel, does it not? The 540d has a lot more torque, and you don't have to rev to 5000rpm+ to get to it. It's a more relaxed way of extracting the performance. Whether or not it should have better numbers compared to the E450d will no doubt be highlighted by real world testing of 50-70 acceleration etc.

Yeah I'm sure.

But in terms of raw numbers, the E450d has 80Nm more torque.

	Power (PS)	Torque (Nm)
E450d	395	750
540d	300	670

I dunno, I was expecting more from a 6 cylinder diesel. Not like its outside of the realm of possibility for the B57 right? Unless it needs to be the quad-turbo variant and they just don't need the additional complexity.
But then the OM656 manages all its power and torque with just a bi-turbo setup.

 

[klier]

But then the OM656 manages all its power and torque with just a bi-turbo setup.

It's a matter of tune obviously.

Besides, people who want power take an i5. Mercedes does not have this luxury with their ICE relic.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

It's a matter of tune obviously.

Besides, people who want power take an i5. Mercedes does not have this luxury with their ICE relic.

I'm not sure the more powerful i5 cars really compete against the 3L Diesels, because those are real cross-country tourers. It'll out range any one of the i5s by a considerable amount, which is what the diesels are all about anyway right?

Maybe its for compliance? I dunno.

 

[Jonathan19]

The new M5 will be show the 26th of June.

 

[Rolf]

I'm not sure the more powerful i5 cars really compete against the 3L Diesels, because those are real cross-country tourers. It'll out range any one of the i5s by a considerable amount, which is what the diesels are all about anyway right?

Maybe its for compliance? I dunno.

Especially the 520d and E220d, they will have double the range of the i5. They both can do over 1000km on a tank. Then they only need 5 to 10min of filling up compared to 30min to charge from 10% to 80% charge and plus they have a higher top speed than even the i5 M60 of over 230km/h.

 

[klier]

I'm not sure the more powerful i5 cars really compete against the 3L Diesels, because those are real cross-country tourers. It'll out range any one of the i5s by a considerable amount, which is what the diesels are all about anyway right?

Maybe its for compliance? I dunno.

No I agree they don't really compete, but I was trying to say that when you want something quick with lots of torque, you don't necessarily have to end up with a fast diesel anymore...

This is what ChatGPT 4o gave me:

Here are the torque values for the BMW G60 5 Series in Newton meters (Nm):

1. i5 eDrive40:
   • Torque: 400 Nm
   • Torque with Sport Boost: 430 Nm
2. i5 M60 xDrive:
   • Torque: 795 Nm
3. 540d xDrive (diesel):
   • Torque: 620 Nm

The i5 M60 xDrive has significantly more torque compared to the diesel version, while the i5 eDrive40 has lower base torque but can exceed the diesel's torque temporarily in Sport Boost mode.


In boost mode, the i5 eDrive40's torque is 430 Nm. The diesel 540d xDrive's torque is 620 Nm. To find the difference:
Difference in Boost Mode = 430 Nm − 620  Nm = −190  Nm
So, the diesel version (540d xDrive) has 190 Nm more torque than the i5 eDrive40, even in its boost mode.

Did it just contradict itself ever so slightly? Let's ask it:

apologize for the error. You are correct. The i5 eDrive40's torque, even in boost mode, does not exceed the diesel 540d xDrive's torque figure. Here are the corrected torque comparisons:

• i5 eDrive40:
  • Standard Torque: 400 Nm
  • Boost Mode Torque: 430 Nm
• 540d xDrive (diesel):
  • Torque: 620 Nm

The diesel version (540d xDrive) consistently has more torque than the i5 eDrive40, even in its boost mode.

LMAO it apologized !!!!

I truly can't overstate the sheer madness of ChatGPT, particularly this latest version. It's going to transform the world in the very same way the discovery of electricity did.

 

[Matski]

So, @klier has become a bot.

Time to spam ban the account before more machine reinforcements breach the post approval panel.

edit: also... 620 Nm?

 

[klier]

edit: also... 620 Nm?

BMW.nl says 670 Nm combined. Then goes to state the ICE has 650 Nm and the electromotor 200 Nm.

So yeah I have no idea either....

 

[SKY]

The 530d with 300 PS is no doubt the best model in the line up. Perfect power for the size of a 5er.

 

[Big Sam]

No I agree they don't really compete, but I was trying to say that when you want something quick with lots of torque, you don't necessarily have to end up with a fast diesel anymore...

And it's not just about absolute figures. The i5's peak torque is available immediately. I collected my i5 last week, and it feels punchier than any diesel I've driven, and that's with just 400Nm available in regular driving.

BMW.nl says 670 Nm combined. Then goes to state the ICE has 650 Nm and the electromotor 200 Nm.

So yeah I have no idea either....

The full technical data for the 540d xDrive isn't available yet on the BMW Press Global site, but I've looked at the data for the X5 30d with the same engine, and it says this:

Diesel engine
286hp/4,000
650Nm/1,500-2,500

Electric motor
12hp
200Nm

Combined*
298hp
670Nm

* Developed by the combination of the combustion engine and the electric motor.

All combustion engines in the range are now combined with a new eight- speed Steptronic Sport transmission housing an electric motor in its compact housing. This generates an output boost of up to 9 kW/12 hp and 200 Nm (147 lb-ft) of torque, helping the engine to deliver a smooth, dynamic drive along with high efficiency. What is more, the mild hybrid system can additionally be used for driving purely on electric power atvery low speeds in the BMW X5 xDrive40i and BMW X6 xDrive40i models.

 

[AndreB]

And it's not just about absolute figures. The i5's peak torque is available immediately. I collected my i5 last week, and it feels punchier than any diesel I've driven, and that's with just 400Nm available in regular driving.

But it doesn't feel too heavy? A friend test drove both and he liked the i5 power delivery but said it felt very heavy compared to 530d which felt nimble and even sporty.

 

[Big Sam]

Especially the 520d and E220d, they will have double the range of the i5. They both can do over 1000km on a tank. Then they only need 5 to 10min of filling up compared to 30min to charge from 10% to 80% charge and plus they have a higher top speed than even the i5 M60 of over 230km/h.

Without wanting to get on my EV high horse again, once you live with an EV, you realise the focus on range is a complete distraction, and how far your car goes on one charge is not that important, believe it or not. The ability to charge while you're doing something else is a big advantage.

I have done hundreds of long-distance trips across Europe over the last 20 years, so I'm well-aware of the benefits of getting 1,000km out of a tank in a 520d. It's a great feeling, sure. But my point is, being forced to stop after 400km to charge an EV is not the hassle you would imagine it to be, and in fact there are other benefits to having an EV that an ICE cannot compete with. Once you start using an EV regularly, charging is simply not an issue. You know where your favourite chargers are, when they're likely to be busy etc. Let me give you an example:

I picked up my new i5 last week. In a couple of weeks I'll be making my regular trip from the Netherlands to the north of England, which is around 750km. Yes I could do it in my C-Class without having to refuel but I would not take that over the i5 or the Taycan...ever. The C-Class is actually less convenient. Once I get to my destination and then go to bed, the first thing I have to do when getting up in the morning before driving anywhere else is fill the car up with fuel. The "perceived" inconvenience of that is far worse than a stop en-route the day before, when you need the toilet and a drinks break anyway. The i5 will be fully charged when I next drive it as I can plug it in at my destination. Effectively my C-Class is a "one-stop" car, but the fuel stop comes at the end of your journey rather than during it. The i5 will be a "one-stop" car too, with one charge of around 25 minutes halfway through my journey, when I would need to stop anyway for a toilet break and a drink. I then get a full charge while I'm in bed at my destination. And give me a 25-minute recharge while I'm doing other things over a 5-minute fuel stop where I've got to stand holding a smelly pump and possibly stepping in spilled diesel on the floor. I did it last week and it was awful. Once you stop having to do it on a regular basis, you start to hate it when you *do* have to do it.

 

[Big Sam]

But it doesn't feel too heavy? A friend test drove both and he liked the i5 power delivery but said it felt very heavy compared to 530d which felt nimble and even sporty.

Not at all. It feels "planted". I haven't driven a 540d xDrive to compare, but I would suggest there is little perceived difference in handling between a 540d xDrive with the ICE in the usual place and weighing 1,980kg, with that of the i5 iDrive40 at 2,205kg with the weight very low down between the axles. If anything, I would guess the i5 handles better.

 

[klier]

And it's not just about absolute figures. The i5's peak torque is available immediately. I collected my i5 last week, and it feels punchier than any diesel I've driven, and that's with just 400Nm available in regular driving.

Exactly. Congrats on the i5 BTW.

The 530d with 300 PS is no doubt the best model in the line up. Perfect power for the size of a 5er.

Perfect power for a 5er of two generations ago, sure.
300 hp in the G60 pig isn't overly exciting.

 

[Satanicom]

It's a shame that 540d has only 286hp.

I mean, even the 535d from '10 has more power despite lower model number.

This needs to be 525d or 530d at peak.