5 Series (G60) [Official] The New BMW 5 Series (G60)

[Tuffode]

Anyone who claims that the G60 presents a massive downgrade in interior quality is talking out of their chocolate starfish.

Yes, here and there, one can find elements of "cost-cutting" in specific areas such as a lack of felt lining in the door card bins. Some of the lower transmission tunnel plastics are of the harder (more durable) type but such surfaces really are out of the way or in high-wear areas.

Plus the leather on the steering wheel airbag, removal of buttons and knobs, cheapening out the rear fold down arm rest, removing the storage behind the rear seats. Even if it is a small downgrade to some, it is a downgrade which is unfortunate. The goal should be improvement, the way F10 interior was a step up from the E60, and the G30 was another step up. Also Consumer Reports is like the most non enthusiast site you can find, great place to go if you need to pick between a CRV and a RAV 4.

 

[dalab]

Plus the leather on the steering wheel airbag, removal of buttons and knobs, cheapening out the rear fold down arm rest, removing the storage behind the rear seats. Even if it is a small downgrade to some, it is a downgrade which is unfortunate. The goal should be improvement, the way F10 interior was a step up from the E60, and the G30 was another step up. Also Consumer Reports is like the most non enthusiast site you can find, great place to go if you need to pick between a CRV and a RAV 4.

Is there any publication that is useful to you? Or is it like with the people who like certain BMWs and according to you it's because they all have bad taste?

 

[Tuffode]

Is there any publication that is useful to you? Or is it like with the people who like certain BMWs and according to you it's because they all have bad taste?

No publication as a whole, even the best ones have some not so good journalists. And some of the good ones are always hopping between different places. Also, I didn't say Consumer Reports is useless. It's great for normal consumers, I just think that it is not really geared towards the more enthusiast minded people.

 

[Big Sam]

Plus the leather on the steering wheel airbag, removal of buttons and knobs, cheapening out the rear fold down arm rest, removing the storage behind the rear seats. Even if it is a small downgrade to some, it is a downgrade which is unfortunate. The goal should be improvement, the way F10 interior was a step up from the E60, and the G30 was another step up. Also Consumer Reports is like the most non enthusiast site you can find, great place to go if you need to pick between a CRV and a RAV 4.

Kickplates on the door sills. There are none.

 

[J.E]

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[AbsoluteUnit]

You can't just take all the positive impressions and take them as gospel and ignore the negative impressions or vice versa. Someone coming comparing a G60 5er to a '24 Camry is obviously going to be impressed with the fit and finish. But someone comparing the G30 to the G60 might not be quite so forgiving.

The same thing happened with the W213. Looked amazing, and reviewers raved about the quality, but it wasn't perfect.

 

[dalab]

You can't just take all the positive impressions and take them as gospel and ignore the negative impressions or vice versa. Someone coming comparing a G60 5er to a '24 Camry is obviously going to be impressed with the fit and finish. But someone comparing the G30 to the G60 might not be quite so forgiving.

The same thing happened with the W213. Looked amazing, and reviewers raved about the quality, but it wasn't perfect.

It's Consumer Reports, it's not just any opinionologist looking for the cat's fifth leg

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

It's Consumer Reports, it's not just any opinionologist looking for the cat's fifth leg

The more cars you look at across different price ranges; as you'd expect for a consumer report, the less inclined you are to fiddle about with the details.

Nobody is saying the G60 has a poor quality interior, just that it is a material downgrade to the G30 in some areas. Not lining the door pockets in a car starting at £60,000 is poor. No if, ands or buts.

 

[dalab]

The more cars you look at across different price ranges; as you'd expect for a consumer report, the less inclined you are to fiddle about with the details.

Nobody is saying the G60 has a poor quality interior, just that it is a material downgrade to the G30 in some areas. Not lining the door pockets in a car starting at £60,000 is poor. No if, ands or buts.

That's what I mean by "looking for the cat's fifth leg"
I like the lined pockets, is it important? No, absolutely not, it has no relevance to the context that is being given here.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

That's what I mean by "looking for the cat's fifth leg"
I like the lined pockets, is it important? No, absolutely not, it has no relevance to the context that is being given here.

Its not important, until it is important.
When you're charging £60,000 (Base) for a car, and that car scales up to £100,000 ... it starts to matter more.
Might not matter to you, but you can't argue that its a step down.

 

[BorkLaser]

Anyone who claims that the G60 presents a massive downgrade in interior quality is talking out of their chocolate starfish.

EHHH Our German ADAC disagrees strongly with that. Their own test concluded that the newest 5 Series is a downgrade from the previous one.

Also no offence, but dont be like your former president, who accused the audience for not listening properly, cause he couldn´t pronounce the numbers right.

 

[Rolf]

Its not important, until it is important.
When you're charging £60,000 (Base) for a car, and that car scales up to £100,000 ... it starts to matter more.
Might not matter to you, but you can't argue that its a step down.

The prices of both the G60 5 series and W214 E-class increased by over 10% compared to their predecessors but with the G60 the extra money has not been spent on the material quality of the interior but in the BEV powertrain and the increased technology for the infotainment and safety systems/autonomous driving.

For a car in this price range you do expect the interior to feel special, but lately both BMW and Mercedes are not taking this into account with their latest models and as a result there are many cheaper brands such as Genesis/Hyundai etc. and some Chinese companies bringing out cars with interiors that are too close for comfort to the Germans in material quality and ambience to put a big question mark against their inflated prices.

 

[Rolf]

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The acceleration figures for this base model seems acceptable but the 520i seemed to really struggle to accelerate above 200km/h. A top speed of 225km/h for a car with 200PS is not that impressive.

 

[klier]

A top speed of 225km/h for a car with 200PS is not that impressive.

200 hp in a BMW 5er in 2024 is a complete joke. Sorry to say. The actual minimum should be like almost double that, and for the price of the current 520i.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

200 hp in a BMW 5er in 2024 is a complete joke. Sorry to say. The actual minimum should be like almost double that, and for the price of the current 520i.

Both this and the W214 are massively underpowered in their base 20i/200 models. Those should not exist and the range should start with the 30i/300 with at least 255hp.

Which is crazy because they do in the US, but not in Europe. I'm fairly sure the 20/200 models aren't remarkably more efficient than the 30/300 models. Because it's the same 2L engine, and a more powerful one should have an easier time moving all that mass.

 

[martinbo]

EHHH Our German ADAC disagrees strongly with that. Their own test concluded that the newest 5 Series is a downgrade from the previous one.

Also no offence, but dont be like your former president, who accused the audience for not listening properly, cause he couldn´t pronounce the numbers right.

Thanks, I'd like to read that test, so if you could post the link I'd appreciate it.

Moreover, thanks for the insult to which I do take offense. I've said nothing to warrant being likened to a corrupt, thief of a politician. I'm the one negatively affected by the fallout of that era in our politics - not you.

To end off, allow me to recap that the negative rhetoric around the G60's interior from certain corners on this forum is exaggerated. I've spent enough time in one and it's not nearly as much of a downgrade as some are making out (as if it's a massive downgrade - my words).

 

[klugscheisser87]

The driver of the 5 series survived but is very injured, the other driver unfortunately did not.

https://www.hessennews.tv/news-go/bl...ei-gilserberg/

Despite the tragic end for the passenger and the bended steering wheel the interior hasn’t been that much deformed.

That might be a Volvo like safe cage.
But all depends on the speed and condition in that fatal moment of course.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Despite the tragic end for the passenger and the bended steering wheel the interior hasn’t been that much deformed.

That might be a Volvo like safe cage.
But all depends on the speed and condition in that fatal moment of course.

Physically might be alright, but mentally? I know I wouldn't be.

 

[PsychDoc]

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[BorkLaser]

Thanks, I'd like to read that test, so if you could post the link I'd appreciate it.

Moreover, thanks for the insult to which I do take offense. I've said nothing to warrant being likened to a corrupt, thief of a politician. I'm the one negatively affected by the fallout of that era in our politics - not you.

To end off, allow me to recap that the negative rhetoric around the G60's interior from certain corners on this forum is exaggerated. I've spent enough time in one and it's not nearly as much of a downgrade as some are making out (as if it's a massive downgrade - my words).

G60 520d
German:

KAROSSERIE / KOFFERRAUM
Verarbeitung
+ Im Kapitel Verarbeitung schneidet der neue Fünfer gut ab,
allerdings enttäuscht die Neuauflage bei mancher Detail-
lösung. Beispiele gefällig? Die Sonnenblenden aus Kunststoff
müssen im Gegensatz zum Vorgängermodell ohne in dieser
Fahrzeugklasse üblichen Stoffüberzug auskommen. Die billig
wirkenden Fensterhebertasten kommen ohne jegliches
Chromzierrat daher. Im Bereich um den Türinnengriff kommt
Hartplastik zum Einsatz, das bereits verkratzt ist, und in den
Türfächern wurde auf eine weiche Einlage verzichtet, weshalb
Gegenstände lautstark umherrutschen. Die Schweller müssen
ohne schützende Einstiegsleisten auskommen. All das ist
wenig Premium-like und trübt das Wertigkeitsempfinden
doch nachdrücklich, auch wenn an der grundsätzlichen
Materialauswahl kaum Grund zur Klage gibt. An der
Verarbeitung des Interieurs gibt es bis auf die spürbaren
Gussnähte an den Sonnenblenden jedoch nichts zu kritisieren
- alle Anbauteile sind solide montiert und geben selbst auf
Holperstrecken keinen Mucks von sich. Aber es sind bei einem
Auto dieser Fahrzeug- und Preisklasse eben gerade die Details,
die den Eindruck nachhaltig prägen. Der Unterboden ist
großflächig verkleidet und mit Konservierungsmittel
geschützt, die Karosserie sorgfältig verarbeitet. Allerdings
fallen die Türen BMW-typisch hart und lautstark ins Schloss,
ein sattes "Plopp" würde mehr Solidität vermitteln. Zudem sitzt
der Tankdeckel des Testwagens nicht bündig und im
Kofferraum kommt ein rauer Filz zum Einsatz, während die
Touring-Modelle weichen Teppich spendiert bekommen. Alles
in allem wirkt die Neuauflage weniger wertig als das
Vorgängermodell. Offensichtlich haben die Controller aktuell
wieder die Oberhand über die Entwickler bekommen. Bleibt zu
hoffen, dass sich das Blatt bei der Modellüberarbeitung wieder
wendet.

BODYWORK / TRUNK

Processing

+ In the workmanship section, the new five-piece scores well,

however, the new edition disappoints in some of the details

solution. Want some examples? The sun visors made of plastic

In contrast to the previous model,

vehicle class usual fabric covering. The cheap

power window buttons come without any

chrome trim therefore. In the area around the inner door handle,

hard plastic that is already scratched and used in the

door compartments have been dispensed with a soft insert, which is why

Objects slide around noisily. The sills must be

without protective door sills. All of this is

little premium-like and clouds the sense of value

emphatically, even if the fundamental

choice of material is hardly a cause for complaint.
At the

workmanship of the interior, except for the noticeable

Cast seams on the sun visors, however, nothing to criticize

- All attachments are solidly mounted and give up on their own

bumpy stretches don't make a sound. But there are a few

car of this vehicle and price range just the details,

that have a lasting impact on the impression. The underbody is

Large-scale cladding and with preservatives

the bodywork is carefully processed. However

the doors slam shut hard and loudly, as is typical for BMW,

a rich "plop" would convey more solidity.
In addition,

the fuel cap of the test car is not flush and in the

A rough felt is used, while the

Touring models get soft carpet. All

in all, the new edition seems less valuable than the

Predecessor. Obviously, the controllers currently have

get the upper hand over the developers again. Stays closed

hope that the tide will turn again in the revision of the model.

G31 530d Touring

An der Karosseriequalität des 5er Tourings gibt es kaum
etwas auszusetzen, sie zeichnet hohe Qualität und Solidität
aus. Alle Teile sind passgenau verbaut und sorgsam gefertigt.
Den Innenraum hat BMW nobel gestaltet, viele Oberflächen
sind mit Leder überzogen (teilweise optional) und der
Dachhimmel auf Wunsch mit Alcantara. Viele Bauteile innen
sind weich unterschäumt oder mindestens mit Softlack
überzogen.
Hier erfüllt die Verarbeitungsqualität die
Ansprüche an einen Premium-Kombi. Der Unterboden
präsentiert sich in weiten Teilen verkleidet und
aerodynamisch optimiert.Lediglich beim Blick unter die Motorhaube sieht man, dass
BMW auch beim 5er versucht, Geld zu sparen – an der
Unterseite der Motorhaube haben die Bayern auf Klarlack
verzichtet.

There is hardly any question about the body quality of the 5 Series Touring
something to complain about, it distinguishes high quality and solidity
from. All parts are precisely fitted and carefully manufactured.
BMW has designed the interior in a classy way, many surfaces
are covered with leather (some optional) and the
Headliner with Alcantara on request. Lots of components inside
are softly foamed or at least with soft varnish
overdrawn.
Here, the build quality meets the
Demands on a premium station wagon. The underbody
presents itself in large parts disguised and
aerodynamically optimized. Only if you look under the bonnet you can see that
BMW is also trying to save money on the 5 Series – on the
The underside of the bonnet the Bavarians have forgone on clear lacquer

I used Microsoft BING translator, because I don´t want to waste much time, but I think it should be clear.