5 Series (G60) [Official] The New BMW 5 Series (G60)

[dalab]

Space went to waste in order to save BMW money from developing two cars, and avoiding risk. If you have an ICE G60, you have a bunch of empty space below you, and if you have a BEV G60, there is a ton of wasted space in front of you. No way to have a car with so many variations be as packaged as nicely as one designed specifically for ICE or BEV.

Comparing an i5 to a Lucid Air is laughable in terms of packaging. The Air is 5 inches shorter but feels so much more spacious inside. It's like the 70s where a E12 had the same interior space as an American luxo barge while being so much smaller on the outside. Well now BMW is the luxobarge.

I haven't seen or read anyone complaining, other than here.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I haven't seen or read anyone complaining, other than here.

Nobody's complaining, but it's still the truth.
The G60 is a compromised vehicle.

 

[klier]

In the front overhang.

It's funny (really!), but I was talking about the 5er not the 7er.

Space went to waste in order to save BMW money from developing two cars, and avoiding risk. If you have an ICE G60, you have a bunch of empty space below you, and if you have a BEV G60, there is a ton of wasted space in front of you. No way to have a car with so many variations be as packaged as nicely as one designed specifically for ICE or BEV.

Comparing an i5 to a Lucid Air is laughable in terms of packaging. The Air is 5 inches shorter but feels so much more spacious inside. It's like the 70s where a E12 had the same interior space as an American luxo barge while being so much smaller on the outside. Well now BMW is the luxobarge.

UHhm......this has got to be the perfect reply to my question.
Case closed.

 

[dalab]

Nobody's complaining, but it's still the truth.
The G60 is a compromised vehicle.

Exactly, like I said, nobody's complaining, nobody's noticing, other than here.
Define "compromised" where its great relevance is in this example and then why does no one else care?

 

[dalab]

Nobody's complaining, but it's still the truth.
The G60 is a compromised vehicle.

If Nobody's complaining, where is the "compromised" thing then?

It's like the 70s where a E12 had the same interior space as an American luxo barge while being so much smaller on the outside.

That is very far from the truth, every day I went from my father's 1979 Oldsmobile Royal to his business partner's 520 E12, the BMW inside looked like a compact compared to the Olds, the difference was extreme.

I'm surprised that you comment on something that is actually totally opposite, have you tried them both?

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Exactly, like I said, nobody's complaining, nobody's noticing, other than here.
Define "compromised" where its great relevance is in this example and then why does no one else care?

Whether or not people care is irrelevant.
The fundamental fact is, from a packaging perspective the G60 is not as space-efficient as either a ground-up ICE architecture or a ground-up EV architecture. The car, looks aside, is good enough that people don't mind.
However, if it was a ground-up ICE or EV, it could be physically smaller in dimension and lighter in weight, whilst also offering better space for occupants, which is a positive no matter how many excuses you want to make.

You don't need to be offended on BMW's behalf. I'm sure they'll be ok.

 

[klier]

Whether or not people care is irrelevant.
The fundamental fact is, from a packaging perspective the G60 is not as space-efficient as either a ground-up ICE architecture or a ground-up EV architecture. The car, looks aside, is good enough that people don't mind.
However, if it was a ground-up ICE or EV, it could be physically smaller in dimension and lighter in weight, whilst also offering better space for occupants, which is a positive no matter how many excuses you want to make.

You don't need to be offended on BMW's behalf. I'm sure they'll be ok.

In general I don't even mind the car becoming so big because like I said it has to command presence between the crossover onslaught. But when the physical dimensions in no way reflect interior space, you have a serious problem.

I do wonder whether the NK version of the next gen 5er will be physically smaller again. It wouldn't even be unprecedented, the W220 MB is smaller than the W140 in every way.

 

[dalab]

Whether or not people care is irrelevant.
The fundamental fact is, from a packaging perspective the G60 is not as space-efficient as either a ground-up ICE architecture or a ground-up EV architecture. The car, looks aside, is good enough that people don't mind.
However, if it was a ground-up ICE or EV, it could be physically smaller in dimension and lighter in weight, whilst also offering better space for occupants, which is a positive no matter how many excuses you want to make.

You don't need to be offended on BMW's behalf. I'm sure they'll be ok.

Exactly, you are answering to yourself what I am trying to tell you.
Everyone applauds that BMW has made the electric 5 series and ICE in one car and not what Mercedes and some others did, but you are not one of them and that's all right

Whether or not people care is irrelevant.

lol, really?

You don't need to be offended on BMW's behalf. I'm sure they'll be ok.

I don't understand this part, better this way

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

In general I don't even mind the car becoming so big because like I said it has to command presence between the crossover onslaught. But when the physical dimensions in no way reflect interior space, you have a serious problem.

I do wonder whether the NK version of the next gen 5er will be physically smaller again. It wouldn't even be unprecedented, the W220 MB is smaller than the W140 in every way.

If it must remain bigger (I personally think Cars care generally getting too big and cumbersome now but alas), then the NK 5er will straight up just have more space inside. Or at least it should if they reduce the length of the bonnet.

 

[Sunny]

Whether or not people care is irrelevant.
The fundamental fact is, from a packaging perspective the G60 is not as space-efficient as either a ground-up ICE architecture or a ground-up EV architecture. The car, looks aside, is good enough that people don't mind.
However, if it was a ground-up ICE or EV, it could be physically smaller in dimension and lighter in weight, whilst also offering better space for occupants, which is a positive no matter how many excuses you want to make.

You don't need to be offended on BMW's behalf. I'm sure they'll be ok.

And the compromise is not just cabin or even luggage space (which is almost half of the Lucid Air). The car has worse Cd cause they probably can't make the front any lower cause they need the space for an ICE. It weighs more than Lucid Air or Model S despite smaller battery. All of which gives it is far worse efficiency and range.

But yes, it will still sell cause it is a BMW and many morons will buy it just for that.

 

[vios1]

Finally able to the new 5 series on the road, for me it still look horrible to me either in pictures or IRL.

 

[martinbo]

I went to my local dealer over the holidays to check out the new 5 Series (including i5). More about the looks, packaging and quality later.

What was very interesting to me is that the 5 Series is not supplied with run flat tyres. As a result, the G60s we get here are supplied with a space saver spare wheel (because, South Africa) which is not bad thing. Normally.

However, for the i5, the spare wheel is not stored under the boot (trunk) floor but rather is strapped in place on top, and in the middle, of the boot floor which obviously takes up a huge portion of the boot space. You can't even get a hand-luggage sized suitcase in there. What the actual f....?

Anyone have any insight as to why this is?

 

[Matski]

Anyone have any insight as to why this is?

It would appear there are no Run-Flat tyres approved for use.

The list attached is from BMW UK, and if I'm reading it right STD is non run flat, RSC would be.

Similar issue with the 7-Series.

As for why. Down in your neck of the woods it would appear the regulations for tyres match those in the EU. I don't know the relevant regulations well, but I believe there is, for example a maximum permissible stopping distance when deflated. Just my supposition but it's possible that the cars can't make that stopping distance on RFT's.

 

[klier]

However, for the i5, the spare wheel is not stored under the boot (trunk) floor but rather is strapped in place on top, and in the middle, of the boot floor which obviously takes up a huge portion of the boot space. You can't even get a hand-luggage sized suitcase in there. What the actual f....?

Did you make a picture?

 

[Mars1965]

I went to my local dealer over the holidays to check out the new 5 Series (including i5). More about the looks, packaging and quality later.

What was very interesting to me is that the 5 Series is not supplied with run flat tyres. As a result, the G60s we get here are supplied with a space saver spare wheel (because, South Africa) which is not bad thing. Normally.

However, for the i5, the spare wheel is not stored under the boot (trunk) floor but rather is strapped in place on top, and in the middle, of the boot floor which obviously takes up a huge portion of the boot space. You can't even get a hand-luggage sized suitcase in there. What the actual f....?

Anyone have any insight as to why this is?

I could be because of maximum comfort. Run flat tires always compromised this, because of the stiffer sidewalls. Just a guess.

 

[Mars1965]

It's funny (really!), but I was talking about the 5er not the 7er.

982 - 945 mm. Counts for both imo.

 

[klier]

I could be because of maximum comfort. Run flat tires always compromised this, because of the stiffer sidewalls. Just a guess.

Having to put your luggage on your lap is not comfortable.

 

[Mars1965]

Having to put your luggage on your lap is not comfortable.

Neither is changing your punctured tire on the highway with traffic passing. They should offer this as an option. I would always opt for the Runflat for safety reasons.

 

[PsychDoc]

I went to my local dealer over the holidays to check out the new 5 Series (including i5). More about the looks, packaging and quality later.

What was very interesting to me is that the 5 Series is not supplied with run flat tyres. As a result, the G60s we get here are supplied with a space saver spare wheel (because, South Africa) which is not bad thing. Normally.

However, for the i5, the spare wheel is not stored under the boot (trunk) floor but rather is strapped in place on top, and in the middle, of the boot floor which obviously takes up a huge portion of the boot space. You can't even get a hand-luggage sized suitcase in there. What the actual f....?

Anyone have any insight as to why this is?

In ICE G60's coming to America the donut spare is under the trunk floor. I saw this myself at a dealership. Can't imagine why that wouldn't be the case elsewhere.

 

[PsychDoc]

Anyone think the mods or administrator(s) should create separate forums for the ICE G60's and the EV G60's? While there are obviously a great many commonalities, there are many discussion points that are unique to each engine type.