Boxster/Cayman (987) [Official] Porsche Cayman GT4

[picsoubmw]

No that's a C

The stance of the car is way bigger next to the F30, the shut line of the boot lid are different of the one you find in a W205, it's for sure a W222.

Spoiler

 

[JHF]

 

[Betty Swollocks]

It's 3er (with PS grille) and C class. Like you said, case closed

It's an S-Class. Definitely. You can make out the rear lights which have "three" elements on the S-Class, and only two on the C-Class.

No way. People who like this car will not like PDK.

I respect Porsche engineers and the people making business decisions, but the reasons for not having PDK on this car are just absolute garbage and an insult to people's intelligence. So, the GT3 only has PDK because that's the best gearbox in the modern age, yet the GT4 only has manual? Why the difference? The idea that the GT3 and GT4 attract different types of buyers is a complete joke. They're both more extreme versions of the respective base models. The person choosing a Cayman GT4 over a Cayman GTS is doing it for the exact same reasons as someone buying a 911 GT3 over a 911 GTS. The only difference between the two are the size of their bank accounts.

Porsche are not going to come out and admit the real reasons, whatever they are, because it doesn't sound as good on a press release as saying "this car is perfect as it is". They're not going to say it doesn't have PDK because that would have been too expensive, or the weight would have been too much, or it would have meant it got too close to the GT3 on the track, or that if they give the option of PDK to people then they wouldn't have a reason to buy the GT3, or that the profit margins on the GT4 are not as big as the GT3, so it would have been too expensive to develop two gearboxes. It's complete marketing nonsense. It's the same reason they've made the GT4 5kg lighter than the Cayman GTS by just fitting a smaller fuel tank by 10 litres. It's not because of any expensive weight saving measures.

It's the same reason the BMW 1M Coupe only had a manual gearbox and a choice of three colours. It was because it was CHEAPER to make.

 

[DeDe]

0-100 kph in 4,4 s
0-200 kph in 14,5 s
80-120 kph in 5th gear: 5,5 s

The conservative Porsche-claims...

 

[klier]

It's an S-Class. Definitely. You can make out the rear lights which have "three" elements on the S-Class, and only two on the C-Class.

And the BMW is a 3er? IMO it's a C class and it has been slightly photoshopped just like the 3er has been photoshopped. The cars are roughly the same size.

And the GT4 is looking more stunning every time. What a car

Edit; case open again I guess.

I respect Porsche engineers and the people making business decisions, but the reasons for not having PDK on this car are just absolute garbage and an insult to people's intelligence. So, the GT3 only has PDK because that's the best gearbox in the modern age, yet the GT4 only has manual? Why the difference? The idea that the GT3 and GT4 attract different types of buyers is a complete joke. They're both more extreme versions of the respective base models. The person choosing a Cayman GT4 over a Cayman GTS is doing it for the exact same reasons as someone buying a 911 GT3 over a 911 GTS. The only difference between the two are the size of their bank accounts.

Porsche are not going to come out and admit the real reasons, whatever they are, because it doesn't sound as good on a press release as saying "this car is perfect as it is". They're not going to say it doesn't have PDK because that would have been too expensive, or the weight would have been too much, or it would have meant it got too close to the GT3 on the track, or that if they give the option of PDK to people then they wouldn't have a reason to buy the GT3, or that the profit margins on the GT4 are not as big as the GT3, so it would have been too expensive to develop two gearboxes. It's complete marketing nonsense. It's the same reason they've made the GT4 5kg lighter than the Cayman GTS by just fitting a smaller fuel tank by 10 litres. It's not because of any expensive weight saving measures.

It's the same reason the BMW 1M Coupe only had a manual gearbox and a choice of three colours. It was because it was CHEAPER to make.

I think the car is manual only because it's the purest form of driving and like @Sunny said before this car isn't really about the numbers but all about the fun.
And the GT3 is all about the numbers, the GT3 is Porsche's way of showing what they are capable of.

 

[marley71]

Didn't they admit that it was manual only because of the cost of developing two platforms. There didn't seem to be any dodging there.

Anyway, great car. For those of you with opportunities to track, or even have high speed street routes available to you, enjoy. And to the poseurs who will drive around the city, thank you for giving me the opportunity to see the car in the flesh.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

And the BMW is a 3er? IMO it's a C class and it has been slightly photoshopped just like the 3er has been photoshopped. The cars are roughly the same size.

It's a 4 Series Coupe, not a 3 Series. What appears to be a rear door handle is just a reflection. And it is without a doubt an S-Class. You can look at the rear lights and see there are THREE separate lighting elements which are a feature of the S-Class. The C-Class has only TWO separate lighting elements. You can see the difference in the two photos that @picsoubmw has posted further up this thread.

Comparing the heights, the S-Class is only slightly taller than the 3 Series. 1,496mm for the S-Class compared with 1,429mm for the 3 Series. That's just 6.7cm difference. The height of the C-Class is 1,442mm, which means if it was a 3 Series and C-Class, the height difference would be 1.3cm. There is no way you would be able to tell a height difference of 1.3cm in a video.

The 4 Series height is 1,362mm.

 

[Sunny]

It's an S-Class. Definitely. You can make out the rear lights which have "three" elements on the S-Class, and only two on the C-Class.




I respect Porsche engineers and the people making business decisions, but the reasons for not having PDK on this car are just absolute garbage and an insult to people's intelligence. So, the GT3 only has PDK because that's the best gearbox in the modern age, yet the GT4 only has manual? Why the difference? The idea that the GT3 and GT4 attract different types of buyers is a complete joke. They're both more extreme versions of the respective base models. The person choosing a Cayman GT4 over a Cayman GTS is doing it for the exact same reasons as someone buying a 911 GT3 over a 911 GTS. The only difference between the two are the size of their bank accounts.

Porsche are not going to come out and admit the real reasons, whatever they are, because it doesn't sound as good on a press release as saying "this car is perfect as it is". They're not going to say it doesn't have PDK because that would have been too expensive, or the weight would have been too much, or it would have meant it got too close to the GT3 on the track, or that if they give the option of PDK to people then they wouldn't have a reason to buy the GT3, or that the profit margins on the GT4 are not as big as the GT3, so it would have been too expensive to develop two gearboxes. It's complete marketing nonsense. It's the same reason they've made the GT4 5kg lighter than the Cayman GTS by just fitting a smaller fuel tank by 10 litres. It's not because of any expensive weight saving measures.

It's the same reason the BMW 1M Coupe only had a manual gearbox and a choice of three colours. It was because it was CHEAPER to make.

Yes, it is funny how AP fumbles in the Evo interview when asked about the how the weight was reduced...

As for PDK, FWIW, he admits in the same interview, the motorsports team lacks "resources" to develop both transmissions for one car. He said the same for GT3 too, to justify lack of manual, but GT3 had to be fast to beat rivals where as GT4 they decided on fun instead of fast because it somehow doesn't have rivals, which I thought was bs too, there are more alternatives at GT4 performance level than at GT3 level.

My guess is that PDK will come after a faster 991.2 is launched to not upset Porsche's hierarchical applecart. Probably also to coincide with the launch of the hotter Boxster version - which I can't imagine with out an auto box.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Didn't they admit that it was manual only because of the cost of developing two platforms. There didn't seem to be any dodging there.

All I've seen is Andreas Preuninger explaining that he prefers the manual because there's "more to do", but that it was a 50/50 choice between manual and PDK, and the "debate rages on".

In that case give people a choice then. People who prefer manual don't have to have PDK. People who want PDK can pay for it.


If you can show me where he or anybody else says they didn't include a PDK option "due to cost" then I'll accept that. I just don't remember seeing it anywhere.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

As for PDK, FWIW, he admits in the same interview, the motorsports team lacks "resources" to develop both transmissions for one car.

Ah, OK. Fair enough. I admit, I haven't watched the EVO interview so I will watch it now.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Looks like Porsche has a winner on its hand, yet again. Looks outstanding and very promising.

If they are bringing this to Geneva, are they still bringing the GT3 RS as well?

 

[picsoubmw]

If that's a S-Klasse, the other one must be a 7er, or what?

I thought it was a unicorn

And the BMW is a 3er? IMO it's a C class and it has been slightly photoshopped just like the 3er has been photoshopped. The cars are roughly the same size.

And the GT4 is looking more stunning every time. What a car

Edit; case open again I guess.

Here a little comparaison between the car in the commercial, the W222 and W205, I guess it will be clear which car it is.

Screenshot :

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=282520GT4ad.jpg

S-class :

C-class :

Sorry for the off topic.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Porsche: Where dreams are manufactured.
Seriously! There's nothing even remotely as brilliant as this car...

 

[Mr Robert]

Well, this must surely mean that there will be a "GT4 RS" when time comes for the inevitable GT3 FL and GT3 RS.

I'll give it the 400 hp it should have had. PDK only.

 

[rollo]

Guess who has a deposit on the first allocation from our Porsche dealer?

 

[Sunny]

Guess who has a deposit on the first allocation from our Porsche dealer?

Lucky you, when did you put the deposit? And where is your dealer?

I put my deposit the first day the first spy shots came, like 8 months ago or so and was already 2nd. They had 15 deposits last month and they stopped taking more deposits. Same with most other dealers in SF Bay Area.

 

[rollo]

Lucky you, when did you put the deposit? And where is your dealer?

I put my deposit the first day the first spy shots came, like 8 months ago or so and was already 2nd. They had 15 deposits last month and they stopped taking more deposits. Same with most other dealers in SF Bay Area.

Today Sunny, Rhode Island.

 

[PC Valkyrie]

I put my deposit the first day the first spy shots came, like 8 months ago or so and was already 2nd. They had 15 deposits last month and they stopped taking more deposits. Same with most other dealers in SF Bay Area.

Wow Sunny! So you're going to get a Cayman GT4 too? Are you keeping the 997.2 GT3?....or are you trading it in/selling it?

Curious about your reasons......even though I think the Cayman GT4 is a very attractive alternative for people interested in getting a second hand 997 GT3 as their entry into the Porsche GT car world, I didn't think it would be attractive enough for existing 997 GT3 owners to switch, as I doubt the performance/subjective gains would be that much better.

 

[Sunny]

Wow Sunny! So you're going to get a Cayman GT4 too? Are you keeping the 997.2 GT3?....or are you trading it in/selling it?

Curious about your reasons......even though I think the Cayman GT4 is a very attractive alternative for people interested in getting a second hand 997 GT3 as their entry into the Porsche GT car world, I didn't think it would be attractive enough for existing 997 GT3 owners to switch, as I doubt the performance/subjective gains would be that much better.

Ha, yes, the 3 non intersecting circles - A. Don't want to give up my GT3. B. Can't keep 2 impractical and expensive sports car. C. Love the GT4. Don't know which cards will fall, will cross the bridge when the time comes. I love the my 3 too much though, it is just too special to give up. So I doubt it will be A . And I probably have one of the nicest examples of the non-RS 7.2s, so even if I want one later, I doubt I will get one like it. The down side is I don't drive it as much as I should.

 

[JHF]